Exploding Vape Battery Kills Man

[paul1598419]

Nicotine Junkie.

Your progressive agenda is making you wait to smoke and you can't stand it.

Hey....maybe it's Trumps fault. :crackup:


Nicotine is a potent parasympathomimetic stimulant and an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants. Nicotine acts as an agonist at most nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs),[4][5] except at two nicotinic receptor subunits (nAChRα9 and nAChRα10) where it acts as a receptor antagonist.[4] Nicotine is found in the leaves of Nicotiana rustica, in concentrations of 2–14%; in the tobacco plant, Nicotiana tabacum; in Duboisia hopwoodii; and in Asclepias syriaca

Yep, you can argue about the technical definition of " DRUG " but you are addicted.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. I explained all this last year, but you likely didn't listen. I can and do quit all the time. It is no more difficult for me to quit smoking than to give up soda pop, which I don't drink because I am diabetic.

I was in the hospital at the end of last year for over a month. Didn't smoke a single cigarette that whole time. Nor, did I miss it. It is fortunate that you looked up the fact that nicotine is a parasympathetic agonist that causes smooth muscle to contract. I smoke about two cigarettes a day for only one reason. I take powerful pain meds that cause a type of constipation and few things work to mediate that. Tobacco does. Your colon is made of smooth muscle and tobacco cause it to contract just like other smooth muscles in your body. If it weren't for keeping me regular, I doubt I would be still smoking at all.

So, I am not a tobacco junkie. It is a laxative. The only one that works, actually. Knowledge is power. Get on board.

 

[RedCowboy]

A laxative, for you....that's an excellent idea, smoke more. Just not in public housing as the Obama admin has banned smoking for the citizens who live in the houses, even though tobacco is legal. Socialism is tyranny.

 

[paul1598419]

I don't live in public housing, but I don't smoke in my house anyway. It is only a couple cigarettes a day, so no problem going out on my porch, which is covered, to smoke. Keep your politics to yourself, and I'll do the same. There is so much ammunition the Trump has given me, but I have refrained.

 

[RedCowboy]

Fake news.

So if you smoke to alleviate constipation and you've been smoking for 50 years, logic would indicate.....you've been full of it for half a century. :beer:

 

[paul1598419]

Funny. I haven't been on pain meds for 50 years. If you find yourself in my position I would be interested to hear how you deal with it. :undecided:

 

[RedCowboy]

Pain is torture, believe me I know, and I don't fault you for taking what you need, I truly hope government doesn't block access to needed treatment because of our war on drugs that has failed, if it were up to me people could go buy whatever they needed at their own risk.

I use a lot of Advil and icepacks, I also see my chiropractor regularly, pain is awful and I don't give you grief about that, I do want people to think about where we came from and what our forefathers fought to escape.

As for cigarettes I don't care if people smoke outside, I prefer not to be around it but I don't want to see it banned, either it's legal or it's not.

 

[paul1598419]

'nuf said.

 

[Benm]

Yea, if I go to an establishment and the smoke is too much for me, I just won't go there again. Same with music, I love steaks, but if a stake house has their country music blasting, I won't even come in, I turn around at the door.

That's exactly how i see it for private venues: People are not required to enter them, and if they dislike the smoke they can simply go to another place that does not allow smoking.

There is absolutely no reason a venue cannot have a non-smoking policy even if it there was no law banning smoking at all. It's your venue, you make the rules. And this has worked long before legal smoking bans too, with hotels offering non-smoking hotel rooms and such for decades.

For places people more or less must go through i can see why one would want to legislate smoking bans, but there are pretty few of them. I'm thinking places like town halls you must enter to renew your passport or driving licence, or hospitals where you could have to go to the closest one in case of emergency and such.

Governments are idiots when it comes to this: just decide. If you think cigarettes are a drug like heroin you should ban them. I wish you good luck dealing with the civil war that follows.

But realistically i think it's just the issue of the smell that non-smokers despise, and want to be removed from any place possible. Vaping would remove that problem though as it produces little to no smell, and it doesn't smell like cigarettes at all.

Pretty crazy rules result from all of this: somehow vaping in an airplane cabin is rarely allowed (though not illegal in most jurisdictions), yet blasting around samples of 'duty free' perfume is perfectly fine.

I guess i'll vape away in the lavatory on aircraft, nobody seems to give a damn and it does not set off smoke alarms. Next time you're on a long haul flight and it takes 20 minutes for 4 people in the queue ahead of you, consider some of them may not have severe constipation

 

[Alaskan]

Ha, I never considered someone could vape in the bathroom of an airliner without setting off the alarm, it's not smoke! We have a lot of air force enlisted vaping outside in the smoke pit every day, it's very popular.

 

[Benm]

I can just assure you that vaping in an airline lav will not trigger an alarm, at least not with a small standard unit. Perhaps the custom ones that blow huge clouds of smoke will trigger the smoke alarm, though there probably will be no smoke/vapour visible by the time someone responds to it.

On the other hand i'm not sure that smoking a cigarette in the lav will activate the smoke alarm either, certainly not when you leave the faucet drain open or flush once in a while to suck out the smoke. I wouldn't risk it in a real life situation, but it's something that could be tested mythbusters style.

The smoke detector in an airplane lavatory is -not- there to catch people smoking cigarettes at all, it is there to alert for things like actual fires caused by electrical shorts, or someone accidentally setting the rubbish bin on fire. These systems have been in place long before smoking in the cabin of aircraft was banned, though even back then smoking in the lavatories was not allowed because discarding off the butts into the garbage could cause fires.

Funny things as that even today it's still mandatory to have an ashtray in a commercial airplane lavatory. The main reason for it: if someone breaks the rules and smokes in the lav, there is a safe place to dispose of the cigarette: without the ashtray people could throw it into the rubbish bin which is usually full of paper towels and such, which could result in a huge fire.

I guess the best solution would be to allow vaping in the cabin as it doesn't harm anyone.

I guess we'll not see the smoking sections return to aircraft anytime soon, though i've always found it a good solution given the usual airflow in an aircraft is front-to-back so people in front would not have major exposure to smoke at all.. except from that of the pilots who can still smoke by law, though most airlines prohibit their staff from actually doing so.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

There a number of different ways that smoke detectors work, but you're absolutely right, most will not be set off by vaping. Some will.


Vaping is pretty much treated like smoking nowdays by most establishments. I used to be an avid vaper for a while, but lost interest, still in the time I did vape, if it was indoors (prior to laws being passed) I did so discretely, or only after making sure it wouldn't bother anyone around me. Prior to laws being passed I never once had an issue with vaping indoors, if asked to stop.. stopped, or stepped outside.



It is not true that vaping leaves no smell or residue, it certainly does, but only if you exhale a lot of vapor, and do so consistently in the same location for a while. Nor will your clothes, room, or apartment smell from occasional use. With cigarettes it's a different story... spend 10 minutes around people smoking and the smell sticks.


For aircraft there is truly no need for smoking though. Not with patches and gum available over the counter, so if someone needs a nicotine fix that bad, it should not be an issue.

 

[Benm]

There is a pretty big difference between patches/gum and vaping though: speed of delivery.

When you smoke or vape you'll feel the nicotine rush in under a minute or so, depending or circulation even in 10 seconds. Things like patches or gum do help with the physical withdrawal symptoms to some degree, but not with the mental aspect of it.

This distinction is fairly important: most smokers would dread an 8 hour flight, but easily sleep for 8 hours without waking up with withdrawal symptoms every couple of hours each night.

Personally I don't smoke in my bed or bedroom, and after sleeping for 8 hours i'm perfectly fine staying in bed for another hour or something not smoking at all. After 8 hours on a plane i'll almost run for a smoking area though.

Making vaping legal in public places could improve things a lot here: people might switch if they could vape anywhere but have to go outside to smoke real cigs - it may save enough hassle for people to switch to vaping, possibly to the point where they don't smoke cigarettes anymore either when at home or such.

Policies that make vaping easy and smoking hard encourage people to switch, much more so than banning both... if you have to go outside for it, you may as well smoke a 'real' cigarette. But if you could just vape after lunch indoors or something, that may be an attractive alternative.

This could save many lost years of useful life for smokers as well: The nicotine is not the dangerous part of smoke, the tar is what kills you, and also what stains and smells.

Sure vaping can leave a bit of smell, but that's more like you can smell the coffee your co-worker is having in the next cubicle or something. Tough luck if you work in a cubefarm and hate coffee, but noone would ban coffee at work over that.

 

[paul1598419]

In all the years I have smoked I have never experienced anything that could be called withdrawal symptoms. To this day, I can put it down and walk away without a second thought. I have never tried vaping, so I can't give a comparison between the two. My two cigarettes a day cost me so very little, it hardly seems worth it to switch.