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paul1598419

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You've got to be kidding. I smell exhaust smoke, I have smelled trash burning smoke in other states. It isn't allowed here. I have smelled wood burning fire places walking down the street, Do I need to go on?

There are people who wlll complain about you smoking outdoors no matter how far away you are or what direction the wind is blowing. Mostly, ex-smokers.
 
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Cyp. you call it whining about it? I call smokers who insist they have the right to fill my breathing air with smoke the whiners, they should do that in a smoking room, designated smoking area, or at home. If there is no wind, those smoke clouds outside when someone is right at the door next to a building don’t dissipate fast.
 

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You find someone smoking outside as you walk by them a nuisance or whiner? Damn, how much smoke can you get as you walk by? It is like people have been brain washed to believe cigarette smoke is much worse than any other kind of smoke. It is not. Smoke is smoke. It is part of the environment and it all leaves residue when enclosed. Walk through a house that has had a fire in it. It smells bad. But, there is no getting away from it and the outside air is not any more toxic from cigarette smoke than it is from exhaust fumes.
 

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You find someone smoking outside as you walk by them a nuisance or whiner? Damn, how much smoke can you get as you walk by? It is like people have been brain washed to believe cigarette smoke is much worse than any other kind of smoke. It is not. Smoke is smoke. It is part of the environment and it all leaves residue when enclosed. Walk through a house that has had a fire in it. It smells bad. But, there is no getting away from it and the outside air is not any more toxic from cigarette smoke than it is from exhaust fumes.


The CDC disagrees, I expect their research is a bit more extensive than yours. They state as a MATTER OF FACT : There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Paul YOU ARE WRONG !!!!

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm



The American Lung Association disagrees with your hyperbole

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects-of-secondhand-smoke.html



The American Cancer Society disagrees with you.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html



Seems the Australian Medical association also disagrees.

https://ama.com.au/ausmed/second-hand-smoke-linked-obesity



WebMD says those who smoke outside should do so ( AS FAR AWAY FROM OTHERS AS POSSIBLE ) not right outside the door where everyone walking by has to suck in your poison.

https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/effects-of-secondhand-smoke



Pregnant mothers are warned that even the residue left behind poses a hazard. ( Third hand smoke. )
This is echoed by the American Cancer Society above: Particles that settle out from tobacco smoke have been shown to combine with gases in the air to form cancer-causing compounds that settle onto surfaces. For instance, NNK and PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), carcinogens that are known to cause lung cancer, have been found in dust samples taken from the homes of smokers. Research has also shown that third hand smoke can damage human DNA in cell cultures and impact blood clotting in lab animals.

http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancy-complications/second-hand-smoke-and-pregnancy/


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The only thing tobacco is used for is to maintain a destructive addiction, it's not like cars that people do sometimes die in but also have a very worthwhile use.

Still I support peoples choice to poison themselves as they choose, just so long as they don't poison others in the process.

If smokers walk outside and around the corner of the building and I walk out and smell the smoke, that's what I call reasonable, I used to smoke, I understand, I will accept that, but clustered around the doors we all have to use is a problem, it makes a thicker cloud and it has an impact that adversely affects people/childern, take your poison 20-30 feet away as diachi has the good manners to do and I have no problem, well I don't like it, but I respect your freedom enough to suck it up....literally.
 
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I read your sources and for the most part they are talking about second hand smoke in enclosed areas. Also, they don't address my point that smoke from burning vegetable matter is as detrimental as smoke from burning tobacco when inhaled on a content per content basis. I have never said that smoke is good for people. Only that we have it around us everywhere in the form of coal burning power plants, fossil fuel exhaust fumes and wood burning from wood stoves and fireplaces. No one is comparing these sources of carcinogens because the references you have used have an agenda. That is to get everyone to stop using tobacco. Just look at the very first reference from your CDD link. "Let's make the next generation smoking free". Doesn't sound like an objective report now, does it? When you tout references from places that have an agenda, you get less than sound science. My point is that you are breathing in carcinogens every time you walk out your door and they are not from cigarettes.
 
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I read your sources and for the most part they are talking about second hand smoke in enclosed areas. Also, they don't address my point that smoke from burning vegetable matter is as detrimental as smoke from burning tobacco when inhaled on a content per content basis. I have never said that smoke is good for people. Only that we have it around us everywhere in the form of coal burning power plants, fossil fuel exhaust fumes and wood burning from wood stoves and fireplaces. No one is comparing these sources of carcinogens because the references you have used have an agenda. That is to get everyone to stop using tobacco. Just look at the very first reference from your CDD link. "Let's make the next generation smoking free". Doesn't sound like an objective report now, does it? When you tout references from places that have an agenda, you get less than sound science. My point is that you are breathing in carcinogens every time you walk out your door and they are not from cigarettes.

People are not standing outside the doorway smoking fecal matter or yard debris, there is no cloud of diesel smoke coming out of half a dozen peoples mouths right outside the doorway.

The density of cigarette smoke where smokers congregate outside doorways is visibly and noticeably via taste and smell exceedingly dense compared to all other airborne irritants in the immediate vicinity in all but the very few rare circumstances that another irritant is present in great density at which time it is of no improvement to the situation regardless of what else may be present.

There is absolutely no valid reason that non smokers should have to be inundated by the overwhelming stench of cigarette smoke outside public doorways or anywhere within the sight of children, nor should children have to smell the pungent irritant in public, it's nothing but the maintenance of an addiction that has documented detrimental health effects.

Children should not be exposed to it what so ever, how many children suffer illness on account of a drug used entirely for the maintenance of an addiction it belongs in the home of the addicted individual and not out in public, it's a public nuisance and an increase in the existing airborne pollution which is not validation for it's existence in any way what so ever.

There are alternatives to smoking in public, nicotine gun, a transdermal nicotine patch, shove some up your rectum, but to expect others to have to breathe in your expelled toxins because you need to maintain an physically damaging addiction is beyond selfish, and the fact that other airborne pollution exists is no valid reason to further poison the air people breathe with your detrimental drug and or it's foul byproducts.

Tobacco smoke is worse than other pollution because there is no good reason for it to exist in any detectable concentration via taste/smell in public where non smokers breathe, the fact other pollution exists is a good reason NOT to add to it with tobacco smoke.
 
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There you go putting half a dozen smokers in your way in a theoretical trap that you cannot escape. That is hyperbole of the worst kind and then saying, "our children shouldn't have to see this" as if someone smoking a cigarette is the worst thing a child could see. I don't care to be around people who don't use normal daily hygiene, but last time I looked, it wasn't illegal to not shower. Now your claim is that tobacco is worse than other pollutants because other pollutants have a good reason for existing. That is just a matter of opinion. I think coal fired anything is far worse than someone smoking a cigarette out doors and, for god's sake, the children shouldn't have to breath coal smoke. The silliest thing I ever heard was when coal companies started talking about "clean coal" as if there is such a thing. No body is being harmed any worse by a person smoking out doors than are being harmed by the massive pollutants we put up with in our air every day. And with Pruitt, the gift that keeps on giving, in charge of the EPA, there is no one campaigning against real air pollution that harms millions of Americans on a daily basis.
 

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I call smokers who insist they have the right to fill my breathing air with smoke...
Again I'll say, I agree it shouldn't be permitted indoors or even near doorways. But if an occasional whiff from someone 20 feet away bothers you to the point you feel justified in throwing a tantrum, you need to man up. You're in no danger, you'll get over it, and you'll be fine. Move on with your life.
 
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There you go putting half a dozen smokers in your way in a theoretical trap that you cannot escape. That is hyperbole of the worst kind and then saying, "our children shouldn't have to see this" as if someone smoking a cigarette is the worst thing a child could see. I don't care to be around people who don't use normal daily hygiene, but last time I looked, it wasn't illegal to not shower. Now your claim is that tobacco is worse than other pollutants because other pollutants have a good reason for existing. That is just a matter of opinion. I think coal fired anything is far worse than someone smoking a cigarette out doors and, for god's sake, the children shouldn't have to breath coal smoke. The silliest thing I ever heard was when coal companies started talking about "clean coal" as if there is such a thing. No body is being harmed any worse by a person smoking out doors than are being harmed by the massive pollutants we put up with in our air every day. And with Pruitt, the gift that keeps on giving, in charge of the EPA, there is no one campaigning against real air pollution that harms millions of Americans on a daily basis.

It's like talking to a child with fingers in ears, well too bad, there's no smoking most places and I don't see that changing, well not in favor of the smoker anyway ;)

Hopefully vaping will continue to further end cigarettes in public as it is not irritating to my throat and nose and will spare a lot of people from an early death.
 
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Unfortunately vaping faces a lot of opposition from the tobacco industry itself. Also while it helps people quit, or works as a replacement for many smokers, there are arguments against vaping too.

The biggest being that long term effects are not known, and that vaping could lead to smoking.

The hipster guys that buy mechanical mods, use cheap batteries and vape an insane wattage, do it purely for show, and have no clue what's safe or not battery wise. They buy the cheapest sold, and god help them if they buy off of ebay or amazon.

Ironically, part of the legislation (that probably won't pass this year) in NJ for marijuana legalization also allows dispensaries to have lounges where people can light up. I say ironically because it is against the law for people to vape in vape shows in the same way.
 

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Used to be half the country smoked, now it's less than 15%.

I expect more restrictions against smoking in public.

 

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The biggest [argument against vaping is] that long term effects are not known
1. is that reason enough to be afraid of something?

2. How long is "long term?"

Do we know the long term effect of bananas? Has a scientific double-blind study spanning 80 years with control groups and large sample sizes ever been performed with bananas? Of course not, yet you don't find many individuals terrified of the health effects of bananas. I would be impressed if you could find a single substance in existence that meets that level of scrutiny. It could be said we don't know the long-term effects of most things for certain. That is not reason enough to believe it is dangerous or should be avoided. The time to believe something is AFTER it is demonstrated.
 

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I read your sources and for the most part they are talking about second hand smoke in enclosed areas. Also, they don't address my point that smoke from burning vegetable matter is as detrimental as smoke from burning tobacco when inhaled on a content per content basis.
That's exactly the problem with how these studies are done. The compare cigarette smoke to no smoke at all mostly, which really isn't fair.

So will indoor smoke from other sources kill you? Absolutely, and in cases like housefires pretty quickly too. Smoke inhalation is more likely to kill you in a fire than actually being burned is.

There are also some known cases of people that figured out lighting a bbq indoors was a good idea. Turns out it usually is not, though they are usually killed by carbon monoxide poisoning long before smoke particulates even get a chance.

Then again there are reasonable examples that compare other sources to indoor smoking. One example would be a mostly 3rd world one where people cook indoors on wood burning fires in reasonably well ventilated dwellings. The will not die of acute CO poisoning or smoke inhalation, but do have a shorter lifespan compared to those that cook in a separate room or outside.
 

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Again I'll say, I agree it shouldn't be permitted indoors or even near doorways. But if an occasional whiff from someone 20 feet away bothers you to the point you feel justified in throwing a tantrum, you need to man up. You're in no danger, you'll get over it, and you'll be fine. Move on with your life.
Occasional sniff from 20 feet away isn't so bad, it's the smoking right in the path I need to use to enter or leave buildings which miffs me.
 

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The problem is that cigarette smoking has become so politicized by organizations that have tried for years to make it illegal that people are believing that a whiff of cigarette smoke outside is somehow more harmful than the many pollutants we put up with on a daily basis in this country. It certainly is not. I suppose places can restrict smoking on their property if they believe it will placate people from other more important problems that they are the cause of. But, on the street it is still legal to smoke though I rarely smoke off my property. I don't even smoke in my car or in my house. But, it's really a shame that people believe that they are being protected by keeping folks from smoking outdoors when the fact that we are breathing carcinogens from sources that the EPA used to protect us from, but no one is talking about any longer like coal and other fossil fuels. Who are you going to blame for your cancer when you can never even smell tobacco any longer? People are still dying from mesothelioma, a lung cancer not caused by smoking, but by aspirating silicons that are still in our environment. You just can't blame all lung cancers on tobacco.
 




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