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Exploding Vape Battery Kills Man

I don't think you can expect the average consumer to be that aware of the danger of lithium cells in a device. They are used in all kinds of devices and, as you say, the chance of one blowing up on you is pretty small. I would not expect my laptop to randomly explode (or even catch fire), and neither would i expect an e-cig to do something like that.

Now i have some knowledge of electronics and i can understand why especially the modded ones could draw an unsafe amount of current for the cell installed, but i doubt the average user would have any idea of what the maximum discharge rate of a cell is.

It's also a matter of perspective and statistics: I reckon that if everyone immediately switched from smoking tobacco to using vape pens there would be a steep decline in the total number of deaths.

If you have a billion smokers switching over, the number killed by exploding e-cigs annually would perhaps be a few thousand. The number of people not contracting fatal smoking-related disease would be tens or hundreds millions.

Statistically giving up smoking and vaping instead would be a huge reduction. Sure you'd have the sort of one-in-a-million of being harmed or killed by the vaping device, but that's nothing compared to something like a 20% chance of being killed by smoking cigarettes on the long run.
 





Since the first vaping devices were patented in the year 2003, this is the first accident resulting in death in the United States. It was also user error.

Since 2003 nearly 7.2 million people have died from tobacco products in the United States alone.

I live in St Petersburg Florida and I don't quite understand why the hipsters down here buy $200 unregulated mechanical mods but put the cheapest knock-off recycled 18650 batteries in them. Please know what you're doing and if you're going to use a mechanical mod, don't cheap out on the batteries. If you don't have good attention to detail I highly recommend a regulated mod that has multiple safety features.
 
I have very little confidence in tobacco death stats. My father died right before he turned 93 and because he was around people who smoked it was listed as a reason for his death. He died 8 days after my brother moved him into his house and had the will changed to remove myself and my sister as heirs. My brother had been a thief his whole life and my father's death coming just 8 days after the will was changed was very suspect. Tobacco had nothing to do with his death. Of that I am sure. BTW, this all happened ten years ago and my brother is now dead. He was younger than I and he is not missed by anyone except his daughter who eventually became heir to my father's $800,000.
 
Was there an autopsy ? A medical examination will reveal long term lung/heart damage from smoke including 2nd hand smoke, it's possible they missed some evidence of foul play, but they likely found tobacco related damage.

Smoking is responsible for 90% of lung cancer and lung cancer is a major cause of death, smoking/lung cancer killed my wife and there's no doubt about it, I watched her cough up blood and die with my own eyes, I did CPR while I pulled coagulated blood from her mouth, I remember the salty taste, smoking is a killer and a major cause of human misery, but when enough money was offered as " TAX " they turned around of the tobacco ban.

So really Washington greed is a deadly killer too.

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Actually I believe in personal responsibility and freedom, but 2nd hand smoke should be kept out of public places, I understand smokers need a cigarette, so have designated areas, smoke in cars and homes, but not in public which has been going away, because it is recognized how damaging smoking is over time especially.

As for vaping I have had people vaping near me and it's not an irritant like cigarette smoke, I think vaping is much better than smoking for everyone, but if there's tax in cigarettes and not vaping the bastards would rather we smoke and die, regardless of what they say.
 
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There is little doubt that smoking has caused lung cancer in people susceptible to it. But, using a history alone of second hand smoke to make a case for keeping people from smoking out doors in public places is just hype meant to scare people into quitting by making smoking nearly impossible outside of their homes and cars. No autopsy was preformed as it is almost never done on a 90+ year old death. They make assumptions and bloat the stats with these clearly undocumented deaths as being caused by smoking. I have smoked for 50 years and don't have COPD or any lung problems, but it could very well be that I am not predisposed to get these diseases. Smoking alone doesn't cause a disease process, otherwise everyone who smokes would die from one. And second hand smoke is not nearly as dangerous as the cancer society would have you believe. I am far more concerned about breathing diesel fumes than second hand smoke. Nobody talks about that, though. We need it for the economy.
 
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Low sulfur diesel is what's in the tanks right now at every gas station I stop at, not that I burn diesel, but I see what's available and it's all low sulfur.

New diesel cars and trucks now have catalectic converters, city buses in many cities have switched to CNG, electric buses are in use around the world and more Cities are planning to switch, it has been talked about and action has been taken.

Your comments about the dangers of tobacco are hyperbole at best, however lets say that you are not pre disposed to tobacco related illness, do you think you have the right to make people who are predisposed to tobacco related illness breathe your smoke ?
 
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You make it sound like smoke from burning tobacco is much worse than smoke from other sources. Like campfires and burning trash where that is allowed. I know that smoking can cause diseases in people who are predisposed to get them, but tobacco smoke in the air does not contain in great enough quantities anything worse than any other types of smoke we tolerate every day. Low sulfur diesel doesn't make diesel safer to breath, just less stinky. And the greatest amounts of diesel are from truck drivers who pump massive amounts into the air around us. Unless it can be somehow made to not cause the pollutants it does, diesel smoke will remain a very toxic hazardous substance that we cannot avoid and is far worse than tabocco smoke in the air for your health.
 
When I go buy my groceries I don't smell diesel exhaust, and thank God I don't have to smell tobacco smoke, it irritates my throat and makes me cough, I don't recall having that happen when walking along the roadside, I do recall working around smokers and I did not enjoy it at all, I am glad it's not allowed where I eat, work and shop anymore, and as over 80% of the US population are now non smokers I expect that won't change.

I was once a smoker and I hated when people complained about it, but I had the strength to quit, it was a good choice, smoking is bad for your health even if you are in denial about the facts, it's still bad for you.
 
There are no greater defenders of their lifestyle than ex-anything people. Just talk to an ex-hooker sometime. Or an ex-alcoholic. Tobacco smoke in the open air is no more irritating than any other type of smoke. That was my point, and it is still valid.
 
When entering and leaving places which don't allow smoking, I've had to pass through a cloud of tobacco smoke and didn't hold my breath, sent me choking, I can't tolerate any kind of smoke well. Sometimes these guys, as it's often a man, who do that, appear to want to stand in a place where others are forced to go through their cloud of smoke and I can feel a sense of gratification coming from them being able to do that. I never get angry, I just think about how those asses are probably ruining their health. While I say this, I have friends who smoke, so it isn't smokism, I just don't like the behavior in public.
 
I'd agree on that Paul - the exposure simply is that of being exposed to burning vegetable material, like sitting around a campfire or on a restaurant terrace that has a wood burning outdoor fireplace or something like that.

Sometimes they show pictures of clear pink lungs compared to the blackened ones of smokers. For modern day urban people this contrast is far from reality though: in an autopsy the lungs of city dwelling non-smokers looks pretty gray as well.

This is not mainly caused by second hand smoke but just by smog/soot/etc from vehicle exhaust, and in some cases from industrial sources too.

It goes pretty far as well, to the point where people blame second hand cigarette smoke as a cause of death, while they sit around a bbq or bonfire regularly. The smoke of either causes even hardened smokers to grasp for breath, so i doubt it's the second hand smoke that really is the problem there.
 
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In some instances, such as when employees work in smoked filled rooms in bars, I believe second hand smoke is very harmful, worse than just smoking a few cigs a day, if you are in it all shift long, doubtlessly. Camp fires, smokers, smog, all harmful stuff, but you won't catch me sitting in front of a bon fire, if I'm there, go upwind, or leave, hate that smoke. Bad enough I'm exposed to these airborne toxins, no way I'd purposely breath it in. I worked at a facility where employees would eat lunch in a small room and smoke it up, I came home smelling like tobacco so much my wife complained, so I asked my boss if I could eat lunch in the equipment area back in the corner instead of the lunch room. THEN the next day two smokers got in my face and started screaming at me about how they were no longer allowed to smoke inside the facility because "you complained to the boss". Come to find out, the boss had issues about them smoking inside for years, used me as his scape goat to stop them. MF!
 
I'm not trying to say that people should be allowed to smoke indoors, though last time I was in KY it was legal to smoke anywhere at all. They had non-smoker sections. You could even smoke while grocery shopping. My point is not allowing it out doors like the second hand smoke from a single cigarette is going to harm your health outside with the wind and air currents moving it so you might not even smell it. There are places outside that you can't smoke where I live. That is pure politics.
 
I used to keep my toolbox in the living room of a small house my wife and I rented and she smoked like a chimney, the customers who I would hang curtains and blinds for could smell the smoke on my toolbox and would complain about it.

They asked if their new curtains had been exposed to cigarette smoke and sniffed them, the curtains had not been exposed, it was just my toolbox, my clothes I kept in a closed dresser in my office room where she did not smoke.

I could not let her smoke in my work car my employer told me because I carry the curtains in the car ( Volvo wagon ) of the customers would smell it and the curtains were very expensive.

When we moved I took down our big mirrors and the yellow walls were white behind the mirrors.

I had a chronic chough from her 2nd hand smoke, I had quit years before but I did not complain, well I would open the doors when I got home and let the cloud out and say WOW.

I do hate the smell, it irritates my throat and makes me cough, that's just a fact, and I am glad it's being forced out of public, it adversely affects others even if you don't want to believe it paul and although I believe in your right to poison yourself, you have no right to poison others.
 
A distinction that needs to be made here is: indoors or outdoors? Of course indoor smoking allows the accumulation to rather high levels. Outdoor smoking (even in public) is like pissing in the ocean. You're not going to affect the ecosystem but people still whine about it.

Catching a whiff downwind of someone puffing on the other side of the street is a very different hazard than being in a vocation that requires 40 hours of indoor service to dozens of ash tray aficionados.
 
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When I go buy my groceries I don't smell diesel exhaust, and thank God I don't have to smell tobacco smoke, it irritates my throat and makes me cough, I don't recall having that happen when walking along the roadside, I do recall working around smokers and I did not enjoy it at all, I am glad it's not allowed where I eat, work and shop anymore, and as over 80% of the US population are now non smokers I expect that won't change.

I was once a smoker and I hated when people complained about it, but I had the strength to quit, it was a good choice, smoking is bad for your health even if you are in denial about the facts, it's still bad for you.
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You don't smell diesel exhaust? I smell it all the time. Even today I was driving one of the F-350s at work and I could smell it. Doesn't bother me a whole lot, but I could sure smell it. Used to work above the mechanics shop at my last job, got gassed out of the office by diesel fumes in a weekly basis...

On smoking, I can't stand inconsiderate smokers. I smoke, but I try to be courteous about it. Hold the smoke in when people walk past, stand away from people, that sort of thing. I don't like when other smokers blow smoke in my face! Can't stand people smoking around me while I eat either. Vapers seem to do that and think it's OK.

I know smoking is bad for me, but I enjoy it, so whatever. :whistle:

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There are no greater defenders of their lifestyle than ex-anything people. Just talk to an ex-hooker sometime. Or an ex-alcoholic. Tobacco smoke in the open air is no more irritating than any other type of smoke. That was my point, and it is still valid.
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How often are you encountering other kinds of smoke walking down the street though? Plus it's a different smell, BBQs and bonfires etc. smell nice, tobacco smoke doesn't smell so nice to a lot of people.

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When entering and leaving places which don't allow smoking, I've had to pass through a cloud of tobacco smoke and didn't hold my breath, sent me choking, I can't tolerate any kind of smoke well. Sometimes these guys, as it's often a man, who do that, appear to want to stand in a place where others are forced to go through their cloud of smoke and I can feel a sense of gratification coming from them being able to do that. I never get angry, I just think about how those asses are probably ruining their health. While I say this, I have friends who smoke, so it isn't smokism, I just don't like the behavior in public.
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Tell themn to go to hell! Really inconsiderate.

One problem I had was standing at the train station going to work in the mornings, having my cigarette. I'd make a point of standing 20-30ft away from anyone else so as not to cover them in my smoke. Trying to be nice. However, someone would always walk up, stand right next to me and start coughing or whatever. Don't complain, you came and stood next to me! :rolleyes:
 
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