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My thoughts are that human life, for that matter, all life, are the same life living in sequential-parallel, that we are all part of the same life everywhere that has ever been, exists now and will be in the future to come. That we are indeed the universe finding a way to look at itself and while doing so, creating mini-realities or perspectives which can also experience one another as co-creators within the universe. What do we co-create? Our own realities first, and everything we build here, everything we do, dream and aspire for. I suppose I could go as far as to say not existing is impossible, that you have always been and will always be, at least, for as long as this universe exists.

Regarding the to be or not to be quandary, I can say this, I look at ourselves as little eddies of current within the same stream, the patterns within the water or eddies come and go, become smaller or larger and perhaps completely disappear but they have gone nowhere because the larger reality is the river they form within, not the patterns within it.

Some believe we each exist as extremely small nearly finite points of consciousness, that we choose to take the journey to experience human lives and all which that can bring to us, perhaps gaining information to become something much more than that finite point, in time, that we don't disappear like small swirls of water within the stream. That life has found a way to build upon itself to cheat entropy. That we come here to become more and to enjoy the interactions we can have, perhaps to suffer too as this gives fidelity to our existence.

I don't believe we were created human, that our origins as individual units of consciousness are much older than that. Seems we come here to experience what physicality has to offer, to become infused as part spirit and part matter beings, but at a price. That we forget who we are and forget our past. I suppose that is part of learning, that we might learn more that way, total immersion without any memory of where we have been or where we are going beyond being human, only after our lives are finished here can we understand why we choose to become human or have the lives we experience.

In the far future to come for us I suspect we have the choice to join together with others to become something much greater, much greater in the same way the collection of cells which form our bodies makes a greater whole than any of them individually, so perhaps we can join into a larger whole which allows an expansion of consciousness through the joining and the ability to know everything which had been experience by all of the others who have chosen to join that particular whole too, as a larger body. This is where I think the idea of a Christian heaven, or what ever belief system, might work, that they are thought of as heavens, but they are merely collectives of individuals who are so similar they choose to join together. That there might be a infinite number of collectives out there made of all kinds of life.

Regarding the pineal glad, the pineal glad has been thought to be the seat of the soul since ancient times, interesting. Also interesting to me is that it contains DMT, a chemical I believe is probably a molecular key which can allow us to see much further than we do here, even into other dimensions of thought, places made of pure data, pure consciousness, perhaps in some respects just as real as this matter reality we find ourselves immersed into.

OK, everything I just wrote is mere personal perspective, not "truth". I don't know if I can experience truth as a human individual, simply due to limited perspective, but I can experience myself and how I view the world. I suppose that is all I can really know.
 



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My thoughts are that human life, for that matter, all life, are the same life living in sequential-parallel, that we are all part of the same life everywhere that has ever been, exists now and will be in the future to come. That we are indeed the universe finding a way to look at itself and while doing so, creating mini-realities or perspectives which can also experience one another as co-creators within the universe. What do we co-create? Our own realities first, and everything we build here, everything we do, dream and aspire for. I suppose I could go as far as to say not existing is impossible, that you have always been and will always be, at least, for as long as this universe exists. We call that a multiverse.

Regarding the to be or not to be quandary, I can say this, I look at ourselves as little eddies of current within the same stream, the patterns within the water or eddies come and go, become smaller or larger and perhaps completely disappear but they have gone nowhere because the larger reality is the river they form within, not the patterns within it. Nice analogy. I like the analogy of us being part of the 'quantum foam' We are bubbles popping in and out of existence with a time frame. This would be true of us, as a 4D timeframe is one out of many popping in and out of existence within a 5D+ multiverse.

Some believe we each exist as extremely small nearly finite points of consciousness, that we choose to take the journey to experience human lives and all which that can bring to us, perhaps gaining information to become something much more than that finite point, in time, that we don't disappear like small swirls of water within the stream. That life has found a way to build upon itself to cheat entropy. That we come here to become more and to enjoy the interactions we can have, perhaps to suffer too as this gives fidelity to our existence.

I don't believe we were created human, that our origins as individual units of consciousness are much older than that. Seems we come here to experience what physicality has to offer, to become infused as part spirit and part matter beings, but at a price. That we forget who we are and forget our past. I suppose that is part of learning, that we might learn more that way, total immersion without any memory of where we have been or where we are going beyond being human, only after our lives are finished here can we understand why we choose to become human or have the lives we experience. We are a material manifestation within 4D spacetime. There could very easily be more advanced forms of 4D consciousness in existence around us. Evolution could be cause of this. Maybe?

In the far future to come for us I suspect we have the choice to join together with others to become something much greater, much greater in the same way the collection of cells which form our bodies makes a greater whole than any of them individually, so perhaps we can join into a larger whole which allows an expansion of consciousness through the joining and the ability to know everything which had been experience by all of the others who have chosen to join that particular whole too, as a larger body. This is where I think the idea of a Christian heaven, or what ever belief system, might work, that they are thought of as heavens, but they are merely collectives of individuals who are so similar they choose to join together. That there might be a infinite number of collectives out there made of all kinds of life. This excerpt immediately made me think of ET's. We could in the future join forces with other colonies/civilisations and it would have the effect of broadening our conscious horizon. Space is often what heaven is referring to. The higher up you go the closer to heaven you are. Humans worships birds as they could fly up towards the heavens.

Regarding the pineal glad, the pineal glad has been thought to be the seat of the soul since ancient times, interesting. Also interesting to me is that it contains DMT, a chemical I believe is probably a molecular key which can allow us to see much further than we do here, even into other dimensions of thought, places made of pure data, pure consciousness, perhaps in some respects just as real as this matter reality we find ourselves immersed into.

I've been fascinated by the pineal gland for a while. Very little is known about it or discussed. But interestingly the pineal gland is the worst affected part of your body from flouride poisoning. It forms a tough layer of calcium deposition.

OK, everything I just wrote is mere personal perspective, not "truth". I don't know if I can experience truth as a human individual, simply due to limited perspective, but I can experience myself and how I view the world. I suppose that is all I can really know.

No one can say for definite what is going to happen afterwards. But it is interesting to think about. This thread has turned out to be very interesting.

Here is a link to a research study for pineal gland calcification. Not the usual conspiracy stuff you find on the internet.
Fluoride Deposition in the Aged Human Pineal Gland
 

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This might interest you Alaskan.
I have just simulated a multiverse in a simplified ternary form. Not only is it a brilliant fractal, but its inverse is the classic Sierpinski Triangle. The large circle begins at 7D and smallest ends at 0D. In reality it wouldn't be n=3, but 0-3D (n=1/lp) and 4D+ (n=1/tp) Where lp is the planck length and tp is planck time. Imagine the size of that fractal.

Before my time is up, I want to prove that not only is there a multiverse, but the multiverses are fractals with more iterations/dimensions.

Edit: When you click on the image, it shows up black, click it again and it becomes visible and larger.
 

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So much in nature is based on fractals, more and more the as above, so below idea appears to be holding true. I would not be surprised if we do have a multiverse fractal just like that, I had a unusual dream one night where I saw the everything is made up of a multi-layered sphere which was also a pyramid. Strangely this fractal is something like that too. Thank you for sharing these ideas, I will answer more on the previous post later when I have time.
 

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No problem Alaskan. I mean this is a simple ternary model. From this type of interpretation it is possible for me to calculate the amount of possible points there are in 4D spacetime, and it could be possible calculate how much data is needed for a duration of a second with a one cubic meter volume (1 m³s).

Edit: 1s duration for 1m3 of 4D spacetime would need a storage capacity of ... 5.4919E+146 bytes. :drool: To put that in perspective for you. The estimated data storage of the entirety of Google is 15 exabytes. (1.5E+19)
With their being two possible states for every bit, even in a 4D quantum world that would mean that their are 8.787E+147 possible states. That's before you move on to 5D. :whistle:
 
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If you throw information theory at it you'll get very large numbers ;)

This does not really explain why many people consider what could be in an afterlife, while few consider in what would have been in a previous one.

I think the simple explanation for this is that few people recall having a previous life, and just accept becoming alive somewhere in the reproduction process. It would not make much sense to require that every human has to have had a previous life either, given the expanding population of humans over time.

Also a future life can be a real worry, whilst a past life is, if present, something done with.

One interesting thing is what people will think of issues like re-incarnation when earts population finally starts declining (around 2050 or so perhaps). As there will be fewer people born than people die, this must give some complications. Will there be a queue?

Where you go when you die will probably always be something we wonder about (unless we figure it out). I'm open to suggestions that are practically viable ;)
 

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I've been looking into the reincarnation question for a long time now, here is how I have thought it could work:

1. One unit of consciousness (some might call it a soul) can be split up into many, having many lives at once, or spread out between the past, present or future.
2. We are not limited to the Earth alone, that there are many planets we could have a life on, call them aliens if you will.
3. There really aren't billions of souls or more, we are all just part of one life which keeps putting itself into different forms.

Also, who says having a physical life on earth as a human being is the end all of existence? It might be one of many choices or places we could go within possible realities. I am tending towards the idea there is no soul as we think of them, just one life which finds ways to express itself as many. That isn't to say the one life can't have sequential threads of existence, once expressed as an individual, and thus reincarnation. If so, some expressions of individuality might continue to have additional lives, some might not, to be reabsorbed back into their origin or the thing some call God.
 
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If you throw information theory at it you'll get very large numbers ;) You sure do. :D I went to start calculating the total combinations for a 4D volume and no resources I could get my hands on could even calculate that of a 1D line.

This does not really explain why many people consider what could be in an afterlife, while few consider in what would have been in a previous one.

I think the simple explanation for this is that few people recall having a previous life, and just accept becoming alive somewhere in the reproduction process. It would not make much sense to require that every human has to have had a previous life either, given the expanding population of humans over time. I agree with this section, but we don't seem to be caring too much about how the 'universe' will end.

Also a future life can be a real worry, whilst a past life is, if present, something done with.

One interesting thing is what people will think of issues like re-incarnation when earts population finally starts declining (around 2050 or so perhaps). As there will be fewer people born than people die, this must give some complications. Will there be a queue?

Where you go when you die will probably always be something we wonder about (unless we figure it out). I'm open to suggestions that are practically viable ;)

I think Alaskan is more accurate here, who says anything about reincarnating as a Earth human.

I've been looking into the reincarnation question for a long time now, here is how I have thought it could work:

1. One unit of consciousness (some might call it a soul) can be split up into many, having many lives at once, or spread out between the past, present or future. Would make sense, agrees with the idea of 5D existence.
2. We are not limited to the Earth alone, that there are many planets we could have a life on, call them aliens if you will. I agree with this possibility. I once had a thought that the civilisation you are in is a sign of your own evolution. Each stage has its very own problems. Ours at the moment is learning how to coexist, and learning our place within the multiverse around us. We are also learning about technology, energy problems and planetary damage. Next time you might 'spawn' into a civilisation that has learnt to coexist and has solved their own issues, but instead helps others to do the same.
3. There really aren't billions of souls or more, we are all just part of one life which keeps putting itself into different forms.

Also, who says having a physical life on earth as a human being is the end all of existence? It might be one of many choices or places we could go within possible realities. I am tending towards the idea there is no soul as we think of them, just one life which finds ways to express itself as many. That isn't to say the one life can't have sequential threads of existence, once expressed as an individual, and thus reincarnation. If so, some expressions of individuality might continue to have additional lives, some might not, to be reabsorbed back into their origin or the thing some call God.

Yes, we are like IP addresses within the internet. A huge AI network. The multiverse splits of into near infinite possibilities and exists in them all simultaneously, storing and learning from each and every one of them. Just one huge quantum computer. There is a reason why we can apply artificial technologies as analogies, it is because they are actually incredibly natural and hard-wired into reality itself. A computer is a 4D basic interpretation of a the multiverses computations. And virtual reality is a basic interpretation of our own existence. Eventually these things will become less distinguishable from reality.
 

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If we live in a VR, it very well may be the creators were so advanced that for all intensive purposes, it is as real as theirs. Perhaps they found a way to make another universe in their machine, or a multiverse of them. I imagine such a VR would need to be modeled from another reality anyway. I don't know if I buy into the VR idea completely, but yet so far, everything appears to point towards that for us.
 
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If we live in a VR, it very well may be the creators were so advanced that for all intensive purposes, it is as real as theirs. Perhaps they found a way to make another universe in their machine, or a multiverse of them. I imagine such a VR would need to be modeled from another reality anyway. I don't know if I buy into the VR idea completely, but yet so far, everything appears to point towards that for us.

Everything does seems to stacking up towards a computed existence. Virtual realities are able to be created using computers now, why not virtual universes?

But the computer running the multiverse sure would be unbelievable.
Yesterday based on the stats I gave further up, I tried to calculate the total number of combinations possible. No online resources or anything could even calculate the combinations within a 1m 1D line. It is questionable that even our supercomputers would struggle just to compute it, let alone allow it to function.
 

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The VR scenario does pose many questions, and also depends on what assumptions you make about it.

One question is if you are the only 'player' or that all humans on earth are players, or perhaps every sentient being in the universe is one. Or perhaps just a fraction of humans are real players and the rest of them are simulated.

The smallest requirement would be that you are the only player in a reality. Simulating that would not be such an enormous task. There is no need to simulate an entire universe down to plack detail for a single player, you only need to get the immediate surroundings right.

But even with many players you can put an estimate on computing power required to keep the simulation running: An human brain can only process a finite amount of sensory input, and that amount is very small compared to, say, the number atoms that make up his body and each of their states.

So you could come up with a realistic number of information throughput and processing power require to keep a given number of human minds involved in a simulation. Even with 7 billion of them this total would be much smaller than having to simulate every fundamental particle on earth, let alone the observable universe.
 
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But even with many players you can put an estimate on computing power required to keep the simulation running: An human brain can only process a finite amount of sensory input, and that amount is very small compared to, say, the number atoms that make up his body and each of their states.

What if our brains are processing the simulation. Supposedly we only use X% of our brain processing power. What if that other portion is being used to run the simulation surrounding us? We are all connected and processing power is combined.
 
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Well technically, this is both correct and incorrect. We get energy and information from the surroundings, but our brain then processes this information into the reality we believe we exist in.
 

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And it is not the same place, what we see it as is a tiny slice, very limited understanding, yet good enough to do many incredible things with what we do understand.
 

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Yes, only one viewpoint amongst many. Very many in fact. Our reality is very limited indeed, but mathematics and physics allow us to broaden our reality to sometimes more than what we can observe. It also questions what we perceptive to be reality, like already discussed.
 

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What if our brains are processing the simulation. Supposedly we only use X% of our brain processing power. What if that other portion is being used to run the simulation surrounding us? We are all connected and processing power is combined.

This idea is interesting, but the concept that we only use a small percentage of our brains is generally false. We may use a small percentage at any given time, but if you randomly cut out only 10% you'd be severely disabled (or dead) in many cases.

It is possible to lead a fairly normal life with only 50% of the usual brain mass, but -only- if you were born that way or it was caused very early in life. While rare sometimes people are diagnosed with significant parts of their brain missing later in life due to some other examination (like a head ct after trauma or mri for something unrelated).

IF a significant part of our brain was actually running the simulation, you'd expect the simulation to break down in case that part is damaged (unintentionally due to trauma, or even intentionally to investigate this theory). In practical cases you don't find people 'seeing the matrix for what it really is' after a head injury. Then again, some seem to think they do after using psyochactive substances, so i guess there are options ;)
 




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