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WIFI illness. your thoughts please

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We are undergoing a major anti-WIFI initiative here in B.C. at the moment, especially parents of students. They claim a wide variety of symtoms some of which I am really skeptical are being caused by other factors (stress from....? you fill in the blanks).
Personally speaking it is funny to see WIFI as a huge issue when we have AM/FM radio and microwave frequencies around us that are far more powerful than any WIFI can ever be. Yet, no one says anything about this.

Personally, after meeting a few concerned parents of students with RF/WIFI illnesses, I get the feeling that the parents are the ones driving the issue (not the kids). I think it is more about parent control over the direction of the school boards. (not that it's a bad thing). Parents should be involved in school. However, I find myself at odds with a UNPROVEN health problem from a very small amount of RF that has a potential for making classrooms a better place for learning when used properly.
The parents also feel that cell phones are not a problem, just WIFI.... ???? go figure.

In summary, I am calling this WIFI illness a psychosomatic disorder until I see some hard proof is presented.

--- As an example, South Korea has been using WIFI for 14 years and cells for the last +24 years. There is NOT one documented case of Wifi illness in that country. WHY IS THIS?

I want your thoughts on this problem. No flaming or insulting please. I want educated discussion ONLY.
 





I would be far more concerned about mobiles in schools. After about 1 minute of holding a cellphone next to my ear while talking, my head starts to hurt. Really. Btw the thing about South Korea. I had no idea.If it's real,I guess WIFI can't harm us at all. Unless they have hidden cases of people who indeed suffered an illness due to wifi.
 
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Yeah, I call bullsh?t also known as "Placebo effect".

Somebody simply tells you that these anthennas are emitting electromagnetic radiation which is bad for you, next thing you know your head starts to hurt and parents are all panicking.

As far as I too know, not one study has confirmed any kind of illness of anything bad happening at all from exposure to 2.4 GHz radiation which is what WiFi networks emit.

I mean hell, I always say, products that fry your brain or melt your [insert body part in question here], tend to sell very poorly, not end up being placed in every single electronic device.

People need to chill out. Especially people who consider all these computers some form of neccessary black magic.
 
Actually I think studies on WIFI and Cells have been done in the country by Yonsei University medical. I don't they ever found hard evidence of any health effects by WIFI.

WIFI works essentially on 2 frequencies. 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. Both are Microwave bands. They used to run 900Mhz but now that system is out of date.

Psychosomatic disorder is not a (B^llsh!t) disorder but it is inside your head. They can be quite crippling or cause significant anxt.
 
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Come on you guys... parents need something to blame for raising a bunch of dumb, self entitled dimwits, don't take away the wifi scapegoat!
 
My question would be how does this compare to living under high voltage transmission lines
or near cell phone towers.. Wifi operates on the same freq as what we use in a microwave
oven, just a lot less power. What does that say for long term exposure?

An small article here referencing depression, cancer and suicide, im guessing the suicide
rate is in relation to the the depression...

Illness clusters linked to phone masts and Wi-Fi
 
wannaburn said:
My question would be how does this compare to living under high voltage transmission lines
or near cell phone towers.. Wifi operates on the same freq as what we use in a microwave
oven, just a lot less power. What does that say for long term exposure?

An small article here referencing depression, cancer and suicide, im guessing the suicide
rate is in relation to the the depression...

Illness clusters linked to phone masts and Wi-Fi
Click to expand...

I have seen direct problems with large emitters of RF radiation causing immediate thermal effects on people however they are well in excess of 1KW of broadcast power. We are talking 100s of uWs to a few 100mWs. This kind of energy is far less than AM/FM based radio.
People don't often kill themselves for fun or hobby unless they are depressed or trying to play superman while high on something. Neither seems to be an effect of WIFI.

I suggest like a few of you are that this WIFI illness is a fad illness used as a front by controlling parents. If there are any true illness cases, I'm thinking they are caused by poor diet or psychological reasons rather than our scapegoated WIFI.
 
I agree with this idea of it being a fad to a point.. But one cannot state that all claimed
cases are all false. The same way it was said that cell phones cannot have an effect on
the brain for many years was reversed by study. Wifi is still in its infancy as cell phones
were in the 90's.. I wouldnt be so fast on a conclusion when we have yet to determine
100%.

There seems to be a lot on this topic on youtube as well..

 
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wannaburn said:
I agree with this idea of it being a fad to a point.. But one cannot state that all claimed
cases are all false. The same way it was said that cell phones cannot have an effect on
the brain for many years was reversed by study. Wifi is still in its infancy as cell phones
were in the 90's.. I wouldnt be so fast on a conclusion when we have yet to determine
100%.

There seems to be a lot on this topic on youtube as well..

Click to expand...

Again, we are dealing with very small amounts of RF Radiation much less than even those found in cellphones or even in AM/FM radio transmitters. I still have a very hard time believing that there is a problem with WIFI hotspots and this video doesn't say much to me.
I have heard from an anti-wireless group here in Victoria that the WTO ruled that WIFI is harmful, now in this video it says the opposite is true.
Bottom line, something clearly doesn't make sense here. The video is amusing but shows little evidence. The group that made this video is also a commercial outlet selling anti-radiation materials. Talk about cashing in. :tinfoil: They sell anti-radiation paints, and other
preventive devices. Most of what they are claiming is absolute crap! Car grounding kits.... pleeease...
 
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LOL@ aniti radiation paint... Probably nothing more than traditional lead based
paints that we stopped using because of the lead content. Now a new use
brings it back. We are an odd species :tinfoil:

Fear sells.. and in most cases brings a deluge of misinformation to support it.

-coloidial silver
-bomb shelters and underground bunkers
-2012
-comet elinin...

The list goes on, and youtube is full of it.

Maybe I should market brass mesh / Faraday cage baseball hats :crackup:

All one can do is keep and open mind, no matter how foolish something may seem to
the logical mind.
 
There has been plenty of debate on what radio fields generally cause, and do not. The scientific (i.e. proper peer reviewed pubshished research) consensus is, more or less:

- radioelectric fields have physical effects when they are strong enough to cause tissue heating
- they have no physical effects whatsoever on humans other than those eplained by heating

The psychological effect is something else. While in the US the debate may be over WIFI signals, its more about UMTS base stations here. It makes the news once in a while when people complain of all kinds of adverse effects after an antenna has been installed.

One case i distinctly remember was a textbook example of the vague complaints people claim to experience, in the months after a cell/umts tower was installed. Journalists wanted to investigate this one further, and proceeded to contact the telecom company that owned the antenna to learn about its power output and such.

Imagine their surprise when the telecom company indicated that while the antenna had been placed, they had not been taken into service yet, and had never emitted any signal apart from a brief test after installation.

This is fairly typical of these cases. Even people that claim to be sensitive to radio fields never show that in a well designed blind test. I'm confident that there is no human on earth that can tell if an wifi access point is emitting any signals from 10 feet away as long as they dont get any visual clues.

Thermal effects are very real though, comparable to sticking your hand in a microwave oven when its running. This could to some degree explain some experiences with cellphones, where the antenna is very close to body and the output power can be as large as 2 watts. For a phone this problem is very easy to solve: just use a wired hansfree set to keep the antenna away from your head.

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LOL@ aniti radiation paint...
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Radiowave absorbing paint actually exists. Its mostly used to keep signals from leaking to the outside in tempest scenarios.
 
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wannaburn said:
LOL@ aniti radiation paint... Probably nothing more than traditional lead based
paints that we stopped using because of the lead content. Now a new use
brings it back. We are an odd species :tinfoil:
Click to expand...

It's funny, but the soviet army/politburo dumped millions and millions into precisely that.

The idea was to allow soviet pilots to withstand radiation longer in order to permit them a better chance of delivering the nuclear payload... in the event of a MAD scenario.

Of course after all was said and done, they reached the conclusion that if pilots are in an area of a nuclear blast where radiation levels are high enough to be deadly in a very short period of time... the pilots would have been dead from the blast or the resulting plane crash first:tinfoil:
 
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