pseudonomen137 said:
If they wanted, they could be like DL and call these 125mW units, and that is exactly what DL does (without going into exact details to prove this, I can say with confidence that calling an envee 100mW a 125mW would be no less than what DL does). However I am guessing they are honest in calling them 100mW, and as such, since the manufacturer does not appear to have plans on higher outputs,
Well thats what bugs me.. neither one is producing graphs and putting all thier cards on the table.... I'm sure "both" peak about 125 for at least a mere second or more,
but what is the criteria each use to say what is what?.. I don't know.
Its true, "both" could say "125mw" and be correct since there is not an iron clad standard.. especially out of China.... but CNI has developed quite a reputation.. some bad and some good.
Without one of them stepping up to the plate and actually revealing the techniques used to state thier powers, its hard to compare one against the other on paper alone.
My hat is off to laserglow for raising the bar and doing just that.
Nevertheless, I would love to see a post or a review of both side by side...the envee 100mw against the DL 125mw.
there is always variablity in doing such test.. because since it's indeed a luck of the draw as to whether you get a "hot" one or not, one could be cool measured against the other manufacturer with a hot one.
Unfortunatly I have not noticed anyone on the forums that have both. The field multiplied by hundreds of customers is the acid test.
If both companies went to a little extra trouble to run a graph and publish it... it would reveal weaknesses, but at the same time "strengths" too.
It would in the very least, bring massive credibility to the firms as long as the graphs were honest and always checked out ok when challenged.
It does seem you have a bad taste in your mouth about DL and there must have been heated discussion in the past about it, so I won't ask anymore to bring it all back up again. Obviously there was disagreement though rather than general consensus of agreement.
Based on that... I'm trying to ignore past errors as every company has evolved since then and there are "blips" on every screen.
But basic character and integrity seldom changes overnight without a major shakup.
I currently see alot of positives for both companies.... I suspect they are both indeed a good buy... one has lower power "as stated", more battery power, is bigger and has extra failsafes built in that obviously cost more to manufactur to remain perfectly legal in the states. Diode on lights, time delay etc etc. While the other remains straight laced and cheaper to make therefore more profit margin when sold at the same price.
I'm sure envee could be bitter or at lease resentful, when another company who has a higher profit margin because thier units are not built with the extra failsafes and possibly easier machine work, and even claim a higher power.. "as the envee looks machined to some degree". Laserglow has the same deliema.... people look at thier 100mw unit and say.. hey that cost X dollars more than this one and its bigger.. I getting the smaller one!.. but when you compare side by side, you see the true quality stomps on the other.
But since few every get the luxury of comparing "side by side" the delusion continues.....
I'm sure envee is an honest company or they would simply bump up the rating and call it a 125mw like you say, knowing it probrably hits that briefly and few could challenge since that seems to be the weak standard that many use anyway.
But it appears they are attempting to classify themselves with a higher class of laser similiar to laserglow....which is good.
But if the public is going to really be able to appreciate the extra work and honesty, they need to produce graphs of each unit sold.
This will be an enticement for the buyer as he knows exactly what he is buying and paying accordingly.
If a company finds it not to thier advantage to fullfill such a request, I see a smidge of dishonesty there too as they prefer to keep that information under the table so it remains a gamble?.. this allows them to sell weaker units on the same scale as the stronger units.
At this point the court needs to dismiss due to lack of evidence... all we have right now is mudslinging and conjecture.
We need some facts and proof.... whoever steps up first to put all thier cards on the table is the better man in my book.
I personally like laserglows approch... it all comes out in the wash......
When you get the units from CNI, its true you may not know what your're getting, but after you test them all and find that out, some will sell for less than the desired target price "to be competitive" but some will sell for more too!... isn't that being honest?
I know it would sure make the customer feel better.
And even if we all know the true story of each laser, some will still prefer DL due to thier sleek size and good looks in any occasion and some will prefer the more serious look and quality build of the envee.
I personally realize that with the existing system, I could get a really hot unit "by chance" or a really cool unit "by chance"....
I don't like the gamble!!!!! I would rather pay for what I'm getting and know what I'm getting and remove the doubts and gambles... wouldn't you?
All of us would love to get more than we pay for.. but it inflames to get less especially when we could barely afford it in the first place and we were anxious to get it and don't want the crap, time and hassle or sending it back.
They know we are at a disadvantage because few can measure accurate output.
my .02 cents....
