What South Koreans think of North Korea

[Razako]

That's a major problem in the US. Some people know history so poorly they get their news from social media which is rarely if ever vetted. Just some talking head's opinion about the state of affairs. Instead of allowing a tweeting maniac to pass his ill informed opinions off as policy, we would be better off ignoring him. He's literally the worse thing to happen to the RNC in time out of mind. Personally, I am looking forward to the 2018 elections as this could be a positive turning point and cool down the inflammatory rhetoric of Trump and his lackey squad surrounding him in the WH. It looks like that even if Trump were inclined to start dropping nukes, there are people who can keep him from doing so. The president does not have an unfettered ability to nuke whomever he pleases even though many in this country believe he does.

What does this have to do with the NK situation I get that you dislike Trump, but he's honestly not the bad guy in this case. The insane sadist running NK is the problem.

 

[RedCowboy]

That's a major problem in the US. Some people know history so poorly they get their news from social media which is rarely if ever vetted. Just some talking head's opinion about the state of affairs. Instead of allowing a tweeting maniac to pass his ill informed opinions off as policy, we would be better off ignoring him. He's literally the worse thing to happen to the RNC in time out of mind. Personally, I am looking forward to the 2018 elections as this could be a positive turning point and cool down the inflammatory rhetoric of Trump and his lackey squad surrounding him in the WH. It looks like that even if Trump were inclined to start dropping nukes, there are people who can keep him from doing so. The president does not have an unfettered ability to nuke whomever he pleases even though many in this country believe he does.

My God Paul, your hate for Trump has blinded you.

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What did Obama do to help, did Obama pull the US out of South Korea?

I know Obama gave 150 Billion to Iran and a path to the bomb.

Just what do you Paul think that we should do?

 

[paul1598419]

Trump's inflammatory rhetoric about bringing fire and destruction to NK does nothing but play into the propaganda by that regime and has many people here very concerned that he may try to have a "preemptive" nuclear strike against them because of their ongoing threats of escalating things on the Korean peninsula. They have been threatening this for over 60 years and it is nothing new. The south Koreans are concerned that he will cause war to break out there because he just can't keep his mouth shut. Does that tie it together for you, or is it still unclear?

 

[RedCowboy]

That's called applying pressure, because years of talks has not solved the problem, so now we have to let the tyrant know that we are serious.

I know the US would give all kinds of humanitarian relief to the North Korean people if Kim Jung Un would abandon his nuclear weapons program, but talks don't get through and waiting is not going to work. It hasn't and it won't.

Do you understand that doing nothing but talking nice will end up with us in an anti missile race against Russia and China with possible real world consequences, if North Korea has a valid Nuke threat then the only way to stop South Korea from being overrun is a conventional war with China at the back of the hill.

Do you think we should just go away and let South Korea be taken by North Korea ?

Trump is garnering respect/fear and that gives us leverage to remove the threat, if China takes control of North Korea that would be just fine and the people would live a much better life, so we are basically telling China to handle this or understand that we will.

Do you think we can really walk away now?

 

[paul1598419]

What makes you think China has plans to back North Korea in a war to take over the south? They have been our allies in putting pressure on the north. We have never abandoned the south in over 60 years. We have 10s of thousands of troops and equipment there along with a naval presence all there to back up the south. With Trump's threats of force against the north he just plays into the hands of the north's propaganda machine. They use his words constantly to bolster the populace against the south saying there's a plot to overthrow the north between the US and the south. It does no good in scaring or changing the minds of the regime. Quite the contrary. We should be continuing to talk China into acting in concert with other allies to exclude the north from trade with the rest of the world. No one in the north takes Trump's threats seriously except as a great propaganda tool. Nobody has been acting "nice" to North Korea. That is nonsense. Unless you think all out war is the way to go, Trump's threats are not causing the North to rethink any of its policies.

 

[RedCowboy]

No, you're wrong, more of the same failed diplomacy will just continue to fail, meanwhile the threat grows.

It's time for some of that change the last President promised but failed to deliver.

I do not want a war, but if war is coming then sticking our heads in the sand will not change anything except our preparedness.

I have asked you what the answer is, if you are saying it's more of the same failed diplomacy as the threat grows, then I disagree.

 

[paul1598419]

Look...the Chinese will not allow a regime change, but a nuclear armed North Korea is destabilizing and they have and will continue to work against that end. Sounds like you are in favor of war. It's like trying to mitigate the Korean War, which ended in a fragile stalemate. If we start a war in the Korean peninsula, we could find ourselves fighting the Chinese and the Russians. No one will win that war. In fact the world may not survive it. Just because you haven't gotten what you want yet doesn't mean escalating to war is a better option. No one wins in a nuclear war and this idiot Trump is just the one to put us there. I'm not happy with a nuclear North Korea, but I am less happy with a new Korean war or, worse, a world war. So, yeah. I would continue to pursue a diplomatic channel with the Chinese and other allies in this effort.

 

[Razako]

Look...the Chinese will not allow a regime change, but a nuclear armed North Korea is destabilizing and they have and will continue to work against that end. Sounds like you are in favor of war. It's like trying to mitigate the Korean War, which ended in a fragile stalemate. If we start a war in the Korean peninsula, we could find ourselves fighting the Chinese and the Russians. No one will win that war. In fact the world may not survive it. Just because you haven't gotten what you want yet doesn't mean escalating to war is a better option. No one wins in a nuclear war and this idiot Trump is just the one to put us there. I'm not happy with a nuclear North Korea, but I am less happy with a new Korean war or, worse, a world war. So, yeah. I would continue to pursue a diplomatic channel with the Chinese and other allies in this effort.

It's almost like the Chinese enjoy keeping NK around as their psychotic guard dog to serve as a distraction or something. I mean I really start to wonder why they never just dealt with the problem themselves. It would have been easy for them to simply march on in and claim NK as their own, and I really don't think anyone would have cared to stop them. Instead they've worked to prop up a psychotic madman's regime and defy any attempts at regime change? Why?

I don't think the world was ever asking anything all that unreasonable of the Kim Regime. Simple things like "Stop building nukes" and "tone down the human rights violations". If Kim had simply complied with demands like that I'm sure the world would have rushed in with food and humanitarian aid. Instead he defies the world and starves his own people so he can continue on his mad quest for nuclear weapons. The man isn't looking for peace, or for protection. He's looking to join the nuclear 'untouchables' club so he can freely do whatever he wants while holding the ultimate trump card.

 

[paul1598419]

It's really quite simple. They are both communist governments and that is why the Chinese don't want a regime change. I believe you can count on the Chinese to defend North Korea against a regime change and that is the reason it is difficult to get change. As long as that relationship exists, there is nothing simple about North Korea.

 

[Alaskan]

Regime change in that country would certainly be good for their people, could it get worse?

 

[RedCowboy]

Years of talking has failed and Paul doesn't even want us to raise our voice as the tyrant is testing nukes.

I bet that after one gets smuggled into our homeland and detonated that some liberals will still be against fighting back.

Paul, you can not negotiate with a bully who is reaching for a weapon if he won't even stop and listen, you should raise your voice before it comes to war, but you don't even want Trump to raise our voice.

I don't want war, that's why I am in favor of Trump raising our voice and making it clear, it's time to get loud and try to prevent a war.

 

[Seoul_lasers]

Trump's inflammatory rhetoric about bringing fire and destruction to NK does nothing but play into the propaganda by that regime and has many people here very concerned that he may try to have a "preemptive" nuclear strike against them because of their ongoing threats of escalating things on the Korean peninsula. They have been threatening this for over 60 years and it is nothing new. The south Koreans are concerned that he will cause war to break out there because he just can't keep his mouth shut. Does that tie it together for you, or is it still unclear?

yup, and if the mass protests in Seoul about 4 weeks ago were any indication of how popular a president he is overseas... Problem is he may instigate a conflict by shooting his face off at the UN. This is what worries me.

Also on Iran. Iran is NOT a foe! We should be supporting them as they are a key player in stability in the middle east. Saudi Arabia however is a major threat to the entire region.

Years of talking has failed and Paul doesn't even want us to raise our voice as the tyrant is testing nukes.

I bet that after one gets smuggled into our homeland and detonated that some liberals will still be against fighting back.

Paul, you can not negotiate with a bully who is reaching for a weapon if he won't even stop and listen, you should raise your voice before it comes to war, but you don't even want Trump to raise our voice.

I don't want war, that's why I am in favor of Trump raising our voice and making it clear, it's time to get loud and try to prevent a war.

One thing raising one's voice and another making threats of preemptive strikes. There's a huge difference between the 2. I get it that DPRK has crossed a major line with it's Nuclear tests and ballistic missile tests over S.Korea and Japan.

 

[RedCowboy]

I would not mind if we shut down the UN and saved the money, turn the property into low income housing or a nice parking lot.

Obama crossed a line invading Libya without congress because there was no imminent threat, Trump issued a warning and as the Supreme Commander of the United States armed forces he can order a strike if we face an imminent threat, such as the one made by little rocket man, only thing is little rocket man does not yet have the ability, but soon he will and then a threat could result in a strike, so the one who needs to be careful about shooting off their face is Kim Jong un.

Now I don't believe that Trump would order a strike unless a rocket was in the air and determined to be on course for the US following a threat by a country that possessed the ability to carry out the threat, but it's a dangerous thing that Kim Jong un is doing because once he possesses the ability then what constitutes a viable threat moves up a notch.

It would be better if Kim Jong un gave up his nuclear weapons program for much needed food and medicine that his people need, but I don't think that's his plan.

I think it's a good thing that Trump has explained in a way that Kim Jong un can understand that threats can be taken seriously and have serious consequences, because as many have said Kim Jong un likes to bluster, it's important that he understands how the rules are changing as he develops his nuclear weapons.

 

[Alaskan]

I have been against assassinations, but in this case I am not so sure for Kim jong un, sad to say (edit: but his own people should do it).

 

[Seoul_lasers]

I have been against assassinations, but in this case I am not so sure for Kim jong un, sad to say (edit: but his own people should do it).

Another thing to point out, Just how much JongUn might actually running the country. There have many speculations that JongUn is actually being pressured to do more testing as the older generals are breathing down his neck
and are actually in control.
The assassinations of his own family are encouragements to do more.

Korean power models are hierarchical in nature, and agism is very much the norm. "Marshall Kim" may be wanting to open his country up and stop the nuclear
tests but the older generals may have him over a barrel, threatening him.



On Libya: There was much intel to suggest that the Libyan Government was in a freefall to collapse. The US along with a number of NATO member countries enforced a no-fly zone once the conflict on the ground was in full swing. ( Facebook revolution of 2011)
The Libyan people were in brutal fight against their own government.
March of 2011 if memory serves me right... It was a decision by NATO (Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US) from the beginning then the mission expanded
to include Turkey, UAE, Romania, Jordan, Norway... etc for additional support later on.

Intel on the ground showed movement of the stockpiles of Libya's chemical weapons and this was cause for immediate action by NATO. There was enough information to suggest that Libyan Government may try and use Chemical weapons against their own people
such as what we've seen in Syria.

Obama was only partly responsible for this. NATO members were the ones that pushed ahead. .....Blame Canada, France, Belgium, ....

 

[Alaskan]

Not so simple then, if so, removing him isn't going to take care of the problem.