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'Underages' Laser Lovers.






Tis quite absurd. Lasers aren't the first dangerous thing I've done tho lol. Heck, I got a BB gun for my 5th birthday! Then when i was 11 or so i went shooting with my uncle. I shot a .22 rifle, an AR-45, a mini-14, a 12 gauge, and a .44 magnum revolver lol. I think I might know a little something about danger, good sirs. Tis t3h common sense.
 
Judging by "life experiences" and "loss of innocence" seems like the concept of "Well, I had to go through this, so you do too! Oh yeah, and you're not mature until you do!"

Sounds pretty stingy and unjustified.

Sometimes, those who are innocent are able to make the best judgments (sometimes). Read Ender's Game...it may be fiction, but it is about psychology and it explores this subject heavily.

I have had some pretty traumatic "life experiences"...I got a knife held to my throat, I've had to move 7 times by the time I was 11, leaving behind the people I cared about...my dad's in the Navy, and I've had to go through 6-month deployments without a dad at home...I barely even see my mom, because she works until way past I have gone to bed...I've had strep infect me inside my throat, ears, and eyes at a young age, causing some of the most terrifying moments of my life; for days on end, it was constant nightmares and hallucinations, triggering horrible deja vu for years to come...I've had my best friend lie to me and desert me...etc., etc., etc.

It's not about the terrible things you've gone through. It's about how you've matured and grown, and learned to respect other people and animals; how to find the value in life and spread it; how to think for yourself; how to be realized for your successes and take responsibility for your failures; how to love and how to find happiness.

This is where age removes itself as a factor, and maturity takes over.

-Mark
 
rocketparrotlet said:
Judging by "life experiences" and "loss of innocence" seems like the concept of "Well, I had to go through this, so you do too!  Oh yeah, and you're not mature until you do!"

Sounds pretty stingy and unjustified.  

Sometimes, those who are innocent are able to make the best judgments (sometimes).  Read Ender's Game...it may be fiction, but it is about psychology and it explores this subject heavily.

I have had some pretty traumatic "life experiences"...I got a knife held to my throat, I've had to move 7 times by the time I was 11, leaving behind the people I cared about...my dad's in the Navy, and I've had to go through 6-month deployments without a dad at home...I barely even see my mom, because she works until way past I have gone to bed...I've had strep infect me inside my throat, ears, and eyes at a young age, causing some of the most terrifying moments of my life; for days on end, it was constant nightmares and hallucinations, triggering horrible deja vu for years to come...I've had my best friend lie to me and desert me...etc., etc., etc.

It's not about the terrible things you've gone through.  It's about how you've matured and grown, and learned to respect other people and animals; how to find the value in life and spread it; how to think for yourself; how to be realized for your successes and take responsibility for your failures; how to love and how to find happiness.

This is where age removes itself as a factor, and maturity takes over.

-Mark
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Very well said .
 
rocketparrotlet said:
Judging by "life experiences" and "loss of innocence" seems like the concept of "Well, I had to go through this, so you do too!  Oh yeah, and you're not mature until you do!"

Sounds pretty stingy and unjustified.  

Sometimes, those who are innocent are able to make the best judgments (sometimes).  Read Ender's Game...it may be fiction, but it is about psychology and it explores this subject heavily.

I have had some pretty traumatic "life experiences"...I got a knife held to my throat, I've had to move 7 times by the time I was 11, leaving behind the people I cared about...my dad's in the Navy, and I've had to go through 6-month deployments without a dad at home...I barely even see my mom, because she works until way past I have gone to bed...I've had strep infect me inside my throat, ears, and eyes at a young age, causing some of the most terrifying moments of my life; for days on end, it was constant nightmares and hallucinations, triggering horrible deja vu for years to come...I've had my best friend lie to me and desert me...etc., etc., etc.

It's not about the terrible things you've gone through.  It's about how you've matured and grown, and learned to respect other people and animals; how to find the value in life and spread it; how to think for yourself; how to be realized for your successes and take responsibility for your failures; how to love and how to find happiness.

This is where age removes itself as a factor, and maturity takes over.

-Mark
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Right, and the fact that you are giving this lecture shows the wisdom you have gained from these experienced. So please don't preach that life experiences don't provide maturity when your own story serves to discredit that. When I was 14, I knew it all. When i was 16, I knew it all and more. At 18, I wanted to beat the crap out of my 14 and 16 year old self. At 28, I find my maturity and wisdom at those times of my life laughable. And I'm sure I'll fell the same way at 30, and then at 33.

It's like voting, smoking, drinking, and driving. We can't waste time testing everyone that thinks they are more mature then the other 99% of the people in their age bracket. And the fact that we may have a handful of members here that are young and responsible does not make them the rule. They are the exception.

As a whole, I find it irresponsible to not only give an 11 yr old a high powered laser, but allow them on the internet unsupervised. Again, some users here maybe the exception. Nothing against them or their parents. Just my opinion.
 
rocketparrotlet said:
Judging by "life experiences" and "loss of innocence" seems like the concept of "Well, I had to go through this, so you do too!  Oh yeah, and you're not mature until you do!"

Sounds pretty stingy and unjustified.  
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I think that he's trying to say more along the lines of "I had to go through this, and you WILL as well. I'm not saying that you're not mature before you do, but you WILL be afterwords"
 
For me, it all comes down to common sense. I have had 40-50 year olds (my father's friends) come in to my house, and my dad has pretty much forced me to let them try my laser. These people are uneducated, and lack common sense. These people shine it in the mirror until I take it back, muttering some lame excuse like it takes a rare battery which is expensive so I want to conserve it.

But really, it's common sense. Its also about how much you think, and how well you think of consequences. A 20 year old man can shine a laser at a plane, because he lacks common sense. I am 14. If anyone told me I was too young for a laser, I would not hesitate to call them ignorrant and uneducated. I don't want to boast or bring academics into anything, but Im rolling straight A's, honours class, IQ of 137, and a thinking age of 20+.

So when someone says "Arent you a bit young to use a laser?" I tell them that I am competant and that I do not lack common sense. Wisdom, maturity, and experience also have alot to do with it, however I think it relies on someone's ability to think about what could happen.
 
i agree.  just because you are a certain age doesnt mean you are as mature as others your age.  as long as you are responsible and dont cause any harm to you or anyone else, i dont see why people under 18 shouldnt use lasers.  i am only 16 and i have a pair of safety goggles for my dilda and use them whenever i turn on the laser (unless im outside doing long distance stuff).  i never point at people or cars.  the only buildings i shine my lasers on are my house and a building behind my house which has a blank wall (no windows or anything) facing the back of my house, so its fun to take long exposure pics on a large canvas. as for my friend, he has a 75mw green laser and he brings it to school....bad idea. my lasers stay at home in a drawer. he always lets people use his laser at school and im kind of hoping it gets taken away for his stupidity.
 
With age comes wisdom, and most importantly life experiance. Another difficulty the younger crowd have  trouble with, is controling impulse..

Injuring yourself is one thing, the impulse to do something stupid that may affect others is another thing..

You can have common sense and feel mature, but kids do stupid things.

Example A:

A member of this forum who reads and posts much on this site, has a video on youtube which perfectly depicts the essence of impulse and the stupidity of youth.


Artix said:
It was snowing last night...

[media]http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=PkbHbFW76eo&feature=channel_page[/media]
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=PkbHbFW76eo&feature=channel_page
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Now while there are many younger people on this site who wouldnt, it doesnt surprise me in the least to find things like this.



*Seeing as the video has been removed, let this serve as a lesson to my young silent friend...

You cannot delete the past. Learn not to try and cover the mistakes youve made, by completely avoiding it.
Life will teach you one harsh reality and that is accountability, and thinking before you do.. If you think you can play with such dangerous items, then be an adult and think before you act.

For the folks not able to understand why im rambling on, this type of thing concerns me. Having a pregnant wife who drives home in the snow, things like this can have disasterous results. Hopefully this will sink into our young friends head, rather than avoiding it.

http://www.picturepush.com/public/1259110

Its hard to see but follow the beam...

[rant]finished[/rant]
 
Injuring yourself is one thing, the impulse to do something stupid that may affect others is another thing..
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There are alot of kids and teens who can controll impulsess.

Lasers should only be used by people who know and understand the dangers. And WILL use them properly. Then it dosent matter about the age.

Aswell as lasers being great, if you use them irrisboebly, then they become a way of punsing the twits.
 
I think it's all a matter of how muchure you are. Older people are often more muchore than younger people, but that is a very general statement because tons theres tons of exceptions. If a 10 year old has a high powered laser and follows all safety precautions there is no reason why he or she should not use it.
 
hashlasersdosei said:
Injuring yourself is one thing, the impulse to do something stupid that may affect others is another thing..
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There are alot of kids and teens who can controll impulsess.

Lasers should only be used by people who know and understand the dangers. And WILL use them properly. Then it dosent matter about the age.

Aswell as lasers being great, if you use them irrisboebly, then they become a way of punsing the twits.
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All I know is that no kid understands the full danger involved. There is a reason why you cant drive at that age, vote, drink, smoke, gamble, be responsible for their actions (parents pay the price), operate machinery, be employed, sign your own waivers, or similar documents..etc. etc. etc. Their >KIDS<

Would you put a loaded gun in a kids hands, say, take good care of it son, just dont shoot anyone. And then leave the kid to do what he pleases with it? Sneak it out, show off to friends.. The desire for social acceptance, 'im cool, he dared me..'

Ever heard members on here say 'treat it like a loaded gun' ? Wonder why this a popular saying?

A kid doesnt truly understand the value of life, or how badly people may suffer from 1 stupid thing that goes bad. How many kids set the house on fire playing with matches every year?

How many kids die, cause they found there dads gun?  Youd think that the understand that its a >GUN< but accidents consistently happen, why , well for one they lack life experiance and the true meaning of consequence.

As lasers become more popular, and irresponsible parents allow them to wander the streets with such an item, the incidents will begin to appear.

Ive had pellet guns since I was a kid, never cared for the real thing. Even at 15years old, and living in the country, using it was a monitored activity. If lasers were of such power when I was young, im sure id want that over any gun, but would have been equally as happy with 5mW and the ability to learn with such a resource as the internet.

When you become a big boy and dont get the impulse to run out in the street nearly blinding someones mother, or father, driving home from work, then its time one can say 'im mature enough'.  Im sure I can search around on youtube and NOT find a 20 year old dancing around in the snow, possibly re-writting someones destiny.

A member was giving away magnesium strips here on the forum. And as any responsible person would, and should, made mention that 'if you are under 18, parental consent required'  very comendable BTW ;)

This is exactly how lasers should always be treated, and would seem not too often is. 18 is a common age of passage for many dangerous things, and there is absolutely no reason why this should be different from them.


Maybe thats just me.. :P
 
wannaburn said:
All I know is that no kid understands the full danger involved. There is a reason why you cant drive at that age, vote, drink, smoke, gamble, be responsible for their actions (parents pay the price), operate machinery, be employed, sign your own waivers, or similar documents..etc. etc. etc. Their >KIDS<

Would you put a loaded gun in a kids hands, say, take good care of it son, just dont shoot anyone. And then leave the kid to do what he pleases with it? Sneak it out, show off to friends.. The desire for social acceptance, 'im cool, he dared me..'

Ever heard members on here say 'treat it like a loaded gun' ? Wonder why this a popular saying?

A kid doesnt truly understand the value of life, or how badly people may suffer from 1 stupid thing that goes bad. How many kids set the house on fire playing with matches every year?

How many kids die, cause they found there dads gun?  Youd think that the understand that its a >GUN< but accidents consistently happen, why , well for one they lack life experiance and the true meaning of consequence.

As lasers become more popular, and irresponsible parents allow them to wander the streets with such an item, the incidents will begin to appear.

Ive had pellet guns since I was a kid, never cared for the real thing. Even at 15years old, and living in the country, using it was a monitored activity. If lasers were of such power when I was young, im sure id want that over any gun, but would have been equally as happy with 5mW and the ability to learn with such a resource as the internet.

When you become a big boy and dont get the impulse to run out in the street nearly blinding someones mother, or father, driving home from work, then its time one can say 'im mature enough'.  Im sure I can search around on youtube and NOT find a 20 year old dancing around in the snow, possibly re-writting someones destiny.

A member was giving away magnesium strips here on the forum. And as any responsible person would, and should, made mention that 'if you are under 18, parental consent required'  very comendable BTW ;)

This is exactly how lasers should always be treated, and would seem not too often is. 18 is a common age of passage for many dangerous things, and there is absolutely no reason why this should be different from them.


Maybe thats just me.. :P
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I find your ideas intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
But if a 13 year old is very serious and responsible and knows the dangers and takes proper safty precations, why woudn't he be able to use a high powered laser. ;)
 
@Cexshun.. Very funny :-?






Andrewajt62 said:
But if a 13 year old is very serious and responsible and knows the dangers and takes proper safty precations, why woudn't he be able to use a high powered laser.  ;)
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Thought I covered that above, a 13year old with a parent, sure. Parents not knowing, leaving the house with it, absolutly not.
 
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