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Nooo, not an artifact. Although NASA, has attempted to explain it away like that. Sure, there are cases where artifacts do happen. But they have been imaging this anomaly for years from different aspects (why all the attention?) and it's just recently caught the curiosity of the web. How can the exact same 'artifact' be occurring at different aspects, dates, years even and remember this is being imaged in the infrared spectrum. And just recently even NASA has started to black out some of the images on the Skyview site as well. This is something they haven't done very often (at least on the Skyview site) and now they are doing it more and more. Something is going on with that anomaly to be sure, but just what it is, and what is going on, well NASA and others in the know are not saying. FWIW, I have some background in Astronomy, and still have some tenured contacts that I've tried to engage on this and their response to me being along the lines of 'we really can't talk about it' says plenty. It's the things that are not talked about that are the really interesting ones. And the KIC 8462852 discovery is interesting, but it is being talked about. Try finding out something about what is going on in Virgo.

I've already provided a few links for assistance. The NASA Skyview, archive is the most telling one. Why all the attention? And I wouldn't be too shocked if NASA starts redacting/deleting even more archived images going forward, now that the attention from the web has increased. Heck I've noticed some blatant skullduggery occur just in the past 2 months.
 





One issue with it would be that NASA has no monopoly on gathering information.

ESA has the ability as well, and could be legally forced to disclose any (even raw) data collected under european law if any eu citizen demands they do so. As ESA is a publicly funded they have the legal obligation to disclose any information if asked to do so.

Also there are other countries looking at the sky, and legislation on what to do with any discoveries will vary.

In the EU this is pretty strict though, any findings by any publicly funded organisation (including all bodies of government) must be made public upon request by request of a member of EU society.

There are few exceptions to this: Redaction (as in blacking out pieces) is permissable if making such information public would hinder ongoing criminal investigations, or expose people to danger (i.e. making it easy for some vigilante group to target a suspected but not convicted criminal etc).

Then again there may be more secret deals between governments for keeping knowledg of alien life secret. I don't see much of a reason though: alien life might conflict with christian genesis theories, but many european countries are at a point where christians (or religious people in general) are becoming the minority.
 
True, NASA has no monopoly but they are not beholding to disclose anything really. Hence China's recent acceleration (since 2003*) of their space program developments.

Even though the US the EU and many other countries have 'in principle' FOIA-freedom of information acts, the realities and the exceptions (the US currently has 9 exceptions*) have just as many barriers in place to limit access to any information as governments or agencies deem in their best interest to not disclose. The EU systems are also rife with inequities*. So the EU the US, China, Russia or any other country is not going to easily and willingly just hand over sensitive info of any nature that they do not want to. The exception laws already in place allow them to deny providing ANYTHING they choose not to release to ANYONE.

The thing concerning off planet Alien anything, is that in fact there have been many official actions and information releases by several governments and countries ie; Notable among these have been the UK, France and the Vatican among others.* As can be observed via <-that link* this sort of soft disclosure seems to have started at the same time beginning around mid 2k.

Getting back to the anomaly in Virgo, let's imagine what sort of technology is required for interstellar travel and then add to that equation the technology required for intergalactic travel. With interstellar being travel within our local Milky Way galaxy and as follows intergalactic, being travels to other galaxies. Perhaps this technology also involves some form of inter-dimensional aspects as well? Could this anomaly be some sort of observable rift?
 
Here's another space-related physics vid from Kurzgesagt:

Definitely one of the trippy theoretical physics areas.
 
Maybe there was some malfunction when imaging that area, causing artefacts?

I doubt it would be any kind of cover up by NASA alone, ESA also has capable telescopes which can be used to take a look at the area. This would certainly reveal anything there if it is still there, if it's not NASA might as well re-image the area and correct the dataset.
 
I agree, lens reflection artifacts. I was just now watching reruns of the eclipse on nasa's channel, and I saw in one video from a telescope when the sun was just a sliver, there was a line of those oval shaped dots in pink and green in one main line, and some other lined up clusters. In the strange picture of the two stars it seems that they could be eclipsed in some way due to how they appear, so it is likely some weird similar artifact.

They might be covering up the picture to hide the bad image, so people do not rely on bad images.
 
It seems viable really. If it's just an imaging artefact they could have just blacked it out for now. There could be a good reason for this as well: amateur astronomists might use these image as a reference, and expect two stars there where there in fact are none. This may throw you off since what you see does not match the reference imagery so you could assume you are aiming in the wrong direction.

Similar things happen on google maps too, sometimes there just is no hi-res imagery for an area so it seems to be blurred out, but what you are actually looking at is footage from higher orbit instead of from airplanes, with a lot lower resulotion and possible cloud cover.

You can often find such boundaries around islands, where the interior of the island is airplane footage but the ocean around it low res sat. There is notting hidden there, it's just not interesting enough to image in 5cm/pixel resolution.

On maps i can basically see the mirrors on my car (i.e. not streetview but aereal footage, taken on a different date since it's parked in a different spot between streetview and maps). When looking at the middle of some european forest or something the resolution is nothing like that.
 
I think the two stars are real, and half of the hype about the picture seemed to be the coloring and the weird smiley face. I thought the stars looked weird, but that could be some image error too. I saw somewhere when doing a little research on those stars that a basic map of the sky shows a wide star there like what you would see if 2 stars are very close together, but the view is not zoomed in enough. I might try to find that spot in the sky and see what my little scope shows.

Just thinking about the weird way the stars looked, and one place saying it could have been some double image of saturn or st least an image of two ringed planets, that makes sense to me too
 
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If you could capture an image of that region yourself that'd be really cool!
 
CE5 said:
Nooo, not an artifact. Although NASA, has attempted to explain it away like that. Sure, there are cases where artifacts do happen. But they have been imaging this anomaly for years from different aspects (why all the attention?) and it's just recently caught the curiosity of the web. How can the exact same 'artifact' be occurring at different aspects, dates, years even ***and remember this is being imaged in the infrared spectrum.***
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Before this gets too sidetracked I'll just quote this ^ guy again. :rolleyes:
FWIW, there is nothing observable at those coordinates in the visible spectrum.
Again check out the IRAS Skyview image archives.

https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/userimages/index/2017-06-12_1.html

There is a widget at the top of that page that allows you to scroll through imaging dates forwards and backwards.
Pay attention to the dates and different aspects.
Simple common sense reveals this is not an 'artifact'.

And again, why all the continuous special attention? if it's only Saturn or some 'artifact'. :thinking: Hint = Because it's not.
 
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CE5 said:
Before this gets too sidetracked I'll just quote this ^ guy again. :rolleyes:
FWIW, there is nothing observable at those coordinates in the visible spectrum.
Again check out the IRAS Skyview image archives.

https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/userimages/index/2017-06-12_1.html

There is a widget at the top of that page that allows you to scroll through imaging dates forwards and backwards.
Pay attention to the dates and different aspects.
Simple common sense reveals this is not an 'artifact'.

And again, why all the continuous special attention? if it's only Saturn or some 'artifact'. :thinking: Hint = Because it's not.
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For what it's worth, the "artifact" has two major consistencies with a multiple exposure stack including a solar system object. The first is the apparent curvature of the path, and the second is the appearance of a bright side. Of course, it'd be pretty easy to find out if it was Saturn if they included more details on timing and exposures somewhere.

The way these images are usually produced really can include a lot of odd looking errors, so I'm inclined to believe what they say.
 
@Rivem, I'm happy to see you join this discussion. I concur with most of what you posted, except that I'm not inclined to agree with what they say- especially after carefully reviewing the data not only from IRAS, but also from the other subsequent missions as well. The IRAS mission was performed in 1983. So I decided to utilize data from other more recent missions, in order to see if I could determine what was going on with this anomaly. So I turned to the most recent 2010 WISE mission. Rather than pre-influence any findings by other folks that may actually be taking the time to seriously investigate this anomaly, I'll just go ahead and provide some links to the WISE, program. And invite others that have a serious interest in this matter to investigate it at depth on their own.

WISE - For Astronomers

WISE All-Sky Data Release

Even utilizing the IRAS data, some laymen were able to determine that this was probably not Saturn. As illustrated in the clip from 2012 below. FWIW, I do not subscribe to the 'Nibiru' hoax. But these conspiracists seem to have stumbled upon something that is altogether quite intriguing.

 
That is interesting, although it is probably emissions from a Quasar, or more likely as proposed from a Neutrino, due to the repeating patterns. If these emissions were the handiwork of civilizations, they are over 3-Billion years old. :whistle:

And since recently we were also discussing Saturn, there is a mission Grand Finale in motion that will be completed in less than two weeks from today.
The successful Saturn sojourner 'Cassini' will decommission on 15 September, 2017.

 
I just realized today I was looking at the wrong starts on wikisky.org. As far as I have to zoom in on the non existent anomaly I really doubt I will see anything through my little 4" scope in a light polluted area. It would take a huge scope to see any stars that small.

Anyway, it is unlikely to have the same exact pictures through different cameras, but I just figured I'd mention how I saw a very similar set of lens reflections on short clip of a telescope video shown in what should be the science channel's great american eclipse episode.

Couldn't a strange reflection from an object off center cause bright reflections in a different location? Because the black and white image looks to me like possibly two ringed planets, and the oval eclipse reflections from the rings and their shadowing. Also, there is a strange big green circle halo in one image that would suggest a lens reflection from something very bright, like a near by planet. I've seen saturn in the morning sky when it is near, and it is almost too bright to see. Then again zooming in should greatly reduce the brightness.
 
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