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Just ask the moderators to delete the posting with your personal info in it. I'm sure they'll do it.
I think he understands it's not cool to post that information (post #31). I think by the end of the day, assuming everyone steps away from this until then, this whole thing will not seem as bad tomorrow.
I am truly saying now I will just post it again. It does not matter. AS of now MR Robert Moore will pay for his actions one way or another. He hurt me and my good name.
 

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I am truly saying now I will just post it again. It does not matter. AS of now MR Robert Moore will pay for his actions one way or another. He hurt me and my good name.
I don't think he really did. A person's name is based on the reputation they build over time. An accusation by one person is only an accusation. Everyone else here knows you well enough.
 
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I don't think he really did. A person's name is based on the reputation they build over time. An accusation by one person is only an accusation. Everyone else here knows you well enough.
Yeah posting his name should not really mean anything. This is a info you an find online. Saying things about one person and hurting is name and his business is another. I will let my legal councilor to decide about his future. As of now I am not going to pass it over.
 

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You commit mail fraud, import illegal products, threaten me and say I have done you wrong, do your worst joker, do and do it now!

You staked your rep on a +100 promise and you got caught blackmailing someone to welch on your promise, now you threaten me saying I damaged your illegal business...are you really that dumb or do you think that I am?
 
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You are the joke here Robert Moore from stone mountain GA.

Elly got my email. And got a deadline of delivery this week. He will be able to track his package as of today. And we will get his power check today too.

Okay Cop ?
Dude, track.aftership says my code has expired. The other tracking sites I try to use won't even recognize the tracker as an Israel Post tracking number.
 

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You better file a pay pal dispute and get your money back, that thief has not sent you anything, he has been crashing harder and harder here lately and I know nice people hope for the best, but Eithan is not like us, he is a money grubbing liar committing mail fraud.
 
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Yeah posting his name should not really mean anything. This is a info you an find online. Saying things about one person and hurting is name and his business is another. I will let my legal councilor to decide about his future. As of now I am not going to pass it over.
LOL

You must be mistaken. This is coming from a fraud, and a scam of a company. Giving out false tracking numbers, giving out bad reps to others for no reason, and lying to your own customers with empty promises.

You are a LOT deeper in the wrong than anyone else here. You have much more to be charged for if your cute "legal councilor" would like to decide people's future.
 
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You better file a pay pal dispute and get your money back, that thief has not sent you anything, he has been crashing harder and harder here lately and I know nice people hope for the best, but Eithan is not like us, he is a money grubbing liar committing mail fraud.

I'm tempted, believe me.

I said I'd wait till Wednesday before going for a refund, but there is a part of me that wants to get my money back and run, to give it to a more reputable seller.
 

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Have you ever had a working tracking number in the last 7 weeks since you paid him?

Have you had any bogus tracking numbers?

Keep a list of them, he has handed out the same numbers to multiple people before, that's evidence, but he's in Israel so......but he will probably fold soon, he wanted to steal a bunch more, have a big sale and steal a bunch on his way out, that's why he is so mad I bet.
 

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I'm tempted, believe me.

I said I'd wait till Wednesday before going for a refund, but there is a part of me that wants to get my money back and run, to give it to a more reputable seller.
FWIW, I received mine on April 1st. I think a lot of people are suddenly piling on thejoker out of a collective frustration right now. But the mail system is what it is over there in Israel. Eitan has replaced packages lost in the mail more than once.

Now to EVERYONE: People here are describing Eitan as a thief and scam artist and fraud, but I would like to point out something that I thought in the past should remain between buyer and seller in order to avoid inviting the seller to get taken advantage of. I ordered my laser from him and paid for the $10 shipping and then did the same waiting as most others here. I emailed him and usually got responses right away when I had concerns about the shipping time. When the delays became more than what he promised, he offered me a $15 refund to compensate me for the wait. Then he changed it and offered me $20. I accepted that, and then he sent $30 to my Paypal account! On top of that, I received my package and found that the postage was $35, which is well over the $10 I paid for. If that weren't enough, he then offered to pay me $10 to write a review. There's been some delay with that, after which he offered $15 and then $20. I have no doubt he will do this as he has done everything else he said he would. It makes me wonder how he's making money!

Bottom line: Frauds, theives and scam artists don't give back money and incur expenses that equals 85% of what I paid for the laser. Generous people who care about their reputation do that.
 
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Have you ever had a working tracking number in the last 7 weeks since you paid him?

Have you had any bogus tracking numbers?

Keep a list of them, he has handed out the same numbers to multiple people before, that's evidence, but he's in Israel so......but he will probably fold soon, he wanted to steal a bunch more, have a big sale and steal a bunch on his way out, that's why he is so mad I bet.
I've recieved two tracking number. I confirm that my first tracking number was one that was given to at least two people, counting me. For what it's worth, that tracker did work, it just ended up in a mailbox in NYC.


FWIW, I received mine on April 1st. I think a lot of people are suddenly piling on thejoker out of a collective frustration right now. But the mail system is what it is over there in Israel. Eitan has replaced packages lost in the mail more than once.

Now to EVERYONE: People here are describing Eitan as a thief and scam artist and fraud, but I would like to point out something that I thought in the past should remain between buyer and seller in order to avoid inviting the seller to get taken advantage of. I ordered my laser from him and paid for the $10 shipping and then did the same waiting as most others here. I emailed him and usually got responses right away when I had concerns about the shipping time. When the delays became more than what he promised, he offered me a $15 refund to compensate me for the wait. Then he changed it and offered me $20. I accepted that, and then he sent $30 to my Paypal account! On top of that, I received my package and found that the postage was $35, which is well over the $10 I paid for. If that weren't enough, he then offered to pay me $10 to write a review. There's been some delay with that, after which he offered $15 and then $20. I have no doubt he will do this as he has done everything else he said he would. It makes me wonder how he's making money!

Bottom line: Frauds, theives and scam artists don't give back money and incur expenses that equals 85% of what I paid for the laser. Generous people who care about their reputation do that.
I'm trusting that he's telling the truth when he says it'll arrive by Wednesday, regardless of whether or not my tracker works (it doesn't. In fact, one site says the number has expired.)

If it doesn't show up Wednesday, I'm asking for a refund. There are, after all, plenty of people here who are willing to build and sell lasers.
 

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FWIW, I received mine on April 1st. I think a lot of people are suddenly piling on thejoker out of a collective frustration right now. But the mail system is what it is over there in Israel. Eitan has replaced packages lost in the mail more than once.

Now to EVERYONE: People here are describing Eitan as a thief and scam artist and fraud, but I would like to point out something that I thought in the past should remain between buyer and seller in order to avoid inviting the seller to get taken advantage of. I ordered my laser from him and paid for the $10 shipping and then did the same waiting as most others here. I emailed him and usually got responses right away when I had concerns about the shipping time. When the delays became more than what he promised, he offered me a $15 refund to compensate me for the wait. Then he changed it and offered me $20. I accepted that, and then he sent $30 to my Paypal account! On top of that, I received my package and found that the postage was $35, which is well over the $10 I paid for. If that weren't enough, he then offered to pay me $10 to write a review. There's been some delay with that, after which he offered $15 and then $20. I have no doubt he will do this as he has done everything else he said he would. It makes me wonder how he's making money!

Bottom line: Frauds, theives and scam artists don't give back money and incur expenses that equals 85% of what I paid for the laser. Generous people who care about their reputation do that.
That's actually something that I find worrisome. It would be impossible for him to run a successful business suffering losses like that. It makes me believe there are a lot of customers who aren't compensated in such a way.

My personal complaint is I believe I was lied to when he said my items shipped in my thread on the 20th. I was never given a tracking # until I publicly asking in my thread two weeks later. The tracking doesn't work yet, although Joker said I'd have my items by the end of this week.

Airmail DOES NOT TAKE 20+ days to get somewhere. While waiting for my order I have received TWO sequential orders from sanwu now. I ordered from sanwu about a week after my scifi order, received the items, then ordered again and received the new items yesterday. This was all paying for the standard HKpost airmail. Both times the items arrived within a week of getting a tracking #.

I can deal with long waiting times. What I have trouble dealing with are falsehoods about the items being shipped 20+ days ago. I have nothing personal against Joker. If my items DO actually arrive at some point this week I'll apologize and drop the issue.
 
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I guess I don't understand why Red Cowboy has gotten so angry about this for such a long time. Did you have dealings with Eitan and were you "scammed" in some way by him? I've read countless posts over the past week or more and just want to understand what your personal grunge is. This whole thing has digressed into a pissing match. I hate to see this happen here as this forum used to be a place where most people treated each other with at least the pretense of respect.
 

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I guess I don't understand why Red Cowboy has gotten so angry about this for such a long time. Did you have dealings with Eitan and were you "scammed" in some way by him? I've read countless posts over the past week or more and just want to understand what your personal grunge is. This whole thing has digressed into a pissing match. I hate to see this happen here as this forum used to be a place where most people treated each other with at least the pretense of respect.
It's not just RCB, it's everyone who's ordered from the joker, everyone who he's lied to, and everyone who's witnessed it. Here's the thread where the pissing match is taking place: http://laserpointerforums.com/f41/s...rs-uphold-his-claims-96983-6.html#post1414187
 

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I guess I don't understand why Red Cowboy has gotten so angry about this for such a long time. Did you have dealings with Eitan and were you "scammed" in some way by him? I've read countless posts over the past week or more and just want to understand what your personal grunge is. This whole thing has digressed into a pissing match. I hate to see this happen here as this forum used to be a place where most people treated each other with at least the pretense of respect.
It's because it's an ongoing thing that never seems to get resolved. Nobody has ever been absolutely scammed, but it's not right to put customers through this amount of frustration.

If Joker is unable to fulfill orders in a timely fashion he needs to do what other sellers do and list items as "OUT OF STOCK" until he can catch up.
 

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It seems like the OP of this thread disagrees with you on this. He said he ordered his laser and received it a little over a month later with higher postage paid than he had paid for and additionally received money as well.
 




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