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Sci Fi Lasers 7 Watt 445nm Arcane 2.0






Aardvark777 said:
I've been told 2 minutes on and a minute off will be sufficient, though I've been running a duty cycle of 30s on and 45s to a minute off to be safe. Some heat builds after a minute of being on, nothing abnormal, but I like to play it safe.
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How does this laser, running at near 7 watts, have a higher duty cycle than the exact same host/heatsink with a 4.5-5W diode and driver?

Here is what Sci Fi lists on their site for the Arcane 2.0:
Duty cycle : 3-4 minutes on/off (2.6W-3W+) , 1.5 minutes on/off (4.5W-5W)


These diodes are a blast to build. I've built 6 now, and I absolutely love them.
 
TaterMay said:
How does this laser, running at near 7 watts, have a higher duty cycle than the exact same host/heatsink with a 4.5-5W diode and driver?

Here is what Sci Fi lists on their site for the Arcane 2.0:
Duty cycle : 3-4 minutes on/off (2.6W-3W+) , 1.5 minutes on/off (4.5W-5W)


These diodes are a blast to build. I've built 6 now, and I absolutely love them.
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I thought there was a thread about that? Isn't it the heatsinking this build has over others that makes it have a longer cycle? could be wrong but that's what I thought!
 
I play it safe. Joker assures me that he is yet to find the limits of the heat-sink in the Arcane 2.0. To be fair to him it is a bloody huuuuge heat-sink and weighs an enormous amount. The heat-sink alone weighs about what my entire SH-032 laser weighs. It does an impressive job. The longest I've run my 7W Arcane for now is about 1 minute, and I gave it a minute off. It wasn't even as warm as my 1.3W SH-032 gets after 30 seconds on. It's probably got something to do with the sheer bulk of the laser and that it's got a copper heat-sink in a nickel plated host.

The thermal conductivity on the Arcane 2.0 is excellent, and the heat-sink while not only large is directly air cooled as the heat-sink is exposed via a gap whilst the laser is focused. (Happy coincidence, or just a clever design?)

I still usually only go 30s on and 45s off or thereabouts. We'll have to ask Joker what he thinks about a max duty cycle on a 7W. I really love mine, I need to take it out and get more pictures sometime soon.
 
That's no moon...
Holy crap man! Amazing laser you got there. You can really tell in those beam shots every watt is screaming out of that diode. I love it! +Rep if I can.


Edit: Can't rep you again yet, but take a pat on the back from across the pond. :kewlpics:
 
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APEX1 said:
I thought there was a thread about that? Isn't it the heatsinking this build has over others that makes it have a longer cycle? could be wrong but that's what I thought!
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But that isn't comparing it to other hosts/heatsinks, that is comparing it directly to a lower output diode/driver in the exact same host/heatsink(the Arcane 2.0).

Aardvark777 said:
I play it safe. Joker assures me that he is yet to find the limits of the heat-sink in the Arcane 2.0. To be fair to him it is a bloody huuuuge heat-sink and weighs an enormous amount. The heat-sink alone weighs about what my entire SH-032 laser weighs. It does an impressive job. The longest I've run my 7W Arcane for now is about 1 minute, and I gave it a minute off. It wasn't even as warm as my 1.3W SH-032 gets after 30 seconds on. It's probably got something to do with the sheer bulk of the laser and that it's got a copper heat-sink in a nickel plated host.

The thermal conductivity on the Arcane 2.0 is excellent, and the heat-sink while not only large is directly air cooled as the heat-sink is exposed via a gap whilst the laser is focused. (Happy coincidence, or just a clever design?)

I still usually only go 30s on and 45s off or thereabouts. We'll have to ask Joker what he thinks about a max duty cycle on a 7W. I really love mine, I need to take it out and get more pictures sometime soon.
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It being a very large heatsink would certainly help, but I can't see why you would want a gap between the host and heatsink, as that would provide less dissipation than either having it touch the host(which would distribute the heat throughout the host for even larger surface area for dissipation) or having it directly exposed to the air, which would provide neglible gains in dissipation from the small amount of air moving over it. What are the dimensions of this host? It's hard to tell from the pictures posted. Maybe it's much larger than it appears.

Regardless, it does seem to be a nice laser, and those beamshots are absolutely brilliant. :D
 
I, also, am very curious as to the exact dimensions since I just ordered the same one as well. :D
 
TaterMay said:
But that isn't comparing it to other hosts/heatsinks, that is comparing it directly to a lower output diode/driver in the exact same host/heatsink(the Arcane 2.0).



It being a very large heatsink would certainly help, but I can't see why you would want a gap between the host and heatsink, as that would provide less dissipation than either having it touch the host(which would distribute the heat throughout the host for even larger surface area for dissipation) or having it directly exposed to the air, which would provide neglible gains in dissipation from the small amount of air moving over it. What are the dimensions of this host? It's hard to tell from the pictures posted. Maybe it's much larger than it appears.

Regardless, it does seem to be a nice laser, and those beamshots are absolutely brilliant. :D
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This heatsink is very large.

and it does touch the host fully.

The heatsink is about 150-200 grams of copper alone. And it is being threaded into the host. So it touch it all the way long.

This whole host works as one big heatsink. I truly did not find this host limit. And even turning the 7W laser on for a minute , will not make this host super hot or heatsoaked.

The duty-cycle is more for the driver ... not the diode.

The 3W Arcane for example ... can run for ages ... but the driver will blow because of the heat. The diode will still be alive as this host really takes the heat really fast.

Duty-cycle again here is based on the driver part , the 7W use a X-drive and at that much current ... I do not want to run it too much.

:beer:
 
That's pretty incredible... And I thought my 2.4W was powerful... Thanks for the write-up and pictures.
 
ANd here I though my 1.7 Watt from Blord was insane. Imagine knife-edging a bunch of these into one beam.
 
Thejoker301 said:
This heatsink is very large.

and it does touch the host fully.

The heatsink is about 150-200 grams of copper alone. And it is being threaded into the host. So it touch it all the way long.

This whole host works as one big heatsink. I truly did not find this host limit. And even turning the 7W laser on for a minute , will not make this host super hot or heatsoaked.

The duty-cycle is more for the driver ... not the diode.

The 3W Arcane for example ... can run for ages ... but the driver will blow because of the heat. The diode will still be alive as this host really takes the heat really fast.

Duty-cycle again here is based on the driver part , the 7W use a X-drive and at that much current ... I do not want to run it too much.

:beer:
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Eitan, do you heat sink the driver? That's what I did with my, now not so impressive, 3 watt 445nm MSSW. I was wondering as I plan on one of these builds soon and want to know the difference if you didn't heat sink the driver. :thanks:
 
paul1598419 said:
Eitan, do you heat sink the driver? That's what I did with my, now not so impressive, 3 watt 445nm MSSW. I was wondering as I plan on one of these builds soon and want to know the difference if you didn't heat sink the driver. :thanks:
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Yep I sure do. I buy pieces of copper from eBay. these are good for example :

10pcs Copper Heatsink Thermal Pad Shim Laptop GPU CPU Cooler 15 15mm | eBay

Go for 1mm thickness. There are other listings with even 2mm thickness which is better.
 
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Thanks, joker. I have several dozen copper heats sinks I bought on Amazon about three years ago that work very well. They are about 1.5" square, but can be cut down. Some of my hosts come with a place to heat sink the driver. I would have thought that the duty cycle would be longer if heat sinked, but I guess that depends on the driver used. I think that if you use an X- Drive for the NUBM44 diode it may overheat quicker than other drivers would.
 
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