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Mail Fraud Definition

Zathras

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There's been a bit of talk here lately about a certain company. Also the term 'mail fraud' has been tossed into the arena. Here's a link to the definition of Mail Fraud and the limitation imposed by the statute.

The Mail Fraud statute doesn't apply to international mail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud

Here are a few excerpts if you don't have the time to read the whole link.

Mail:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article, for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a Presidential declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.[1]

Elements of Mail Fraud:

There are three elements to mail and wire fraud:

1. Intent;
2. A "scheme or artifice to defraud" or the obtaining of property by fraud;
3. A mail or wire communication.[4]

To be fraudulent, a misrepresentation must be material.[5]

Mail fraud applies only to United States domestic mailings and use of interstate carriers (UPS, FedEx) which must originate in one state, and successfully terminate pursuant to the address label inside another state, a transportation that is termed "interstate" (over which Congress has power to regulate) and does require that the mailing cross at least one state line into another state; wire fraud has been expanded by Congress to include foreign wire communication or interstate connections via (e.g.) an e-mail server or telephone switch or radio communication.[6]

The best way I know to handle a vendor I had trouble with, is to not buy from them in the future.

But be careful what you may say (negatively) about the vendor or you may wind up on the wrong end of a slander lawsuit.

"you got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them ......"
 



Pman

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Regardless I've gotten my fill of commas for today;) , , , , , , , , , , , ,
 

RedCowboy

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So rather than calling fake tracking numbers mail fraud one should contact the FDA?
 

InfinitusEquitas

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But be careful what you may say (negatively) about the vendor or you may wind up on the wrong end of a slander lawsuit.

The guy is in Israel, at the best of times running a one man shop.

In order to be slanderous, the allegations would also have to be false.

They aren't.
 

Razako

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It's certainly some kind of fraud. Lying to customers about shipping their items and sending phony tracking info to distract them. Joker hasn't even been defending himself here anymore because he knows there's no point in denying it. There's damn lynch mob of unhappy customers forming.
 
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RedCowboy

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What bothers me is that flashing ad that still gets him money, what happens when all goes quiet and more new members join to complain about fake tracking numbers?

I would like to let it be forgotten and not talk about it, but with that ad how, and what about the people who have not gotten their money back, something is not right.
 




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