Looking for a laser as a birthday gift and REALLY need help on what to get.

[RedCowboy]

Hi,
Great idea or how about a .45 twice the grains at 240 Gr.

I like 9, 40 and 45 but I am and always have been a big fan of .40 S&W
I own a G17, G21 and G22 and all are excellent and all Gen3 but here's the breakdown.

G17 holds 17 rounds of 9mm 147Gr @ 1000fps = 326 footpounds
G22 holds 15 rounds of .40 180Gr @ 1020fps = 416 footpounds
G21 holds 13 rounds of .45 240Gr @ 800fps = 341 footpounds

Granted there are other loads but these are standards although I carry 115Gr doing 1200fps in my G17 which expands better and makes 368 footpounds, velocity is king although I do love my 1911's but I don't carry them.....actually I carry a little 380 because it's so easy and nobody ever knows I have it, most of the time I forget myself.

 

[Lifetime17]

I like 9, 40 and 45 but I am and always have been a big fan of .40 S&W
I own a G17, G21 and G22 and all are excellent but here's the breakdown.

G17 holds 17 rounds of 9mm 147Gr @ 1000fps = 326 footpounds
G22 holds 15 rounds of .40 180Gr @ 1020fps = 416 footpounds
G21 holds 13 rounds of .45 240Gr @ 800fps = 341 footpounds

Granted there are other loads but these are standards although I carry 115Gr doing 1200fps in my G17 which expands better and makes 368 footpounds, velocity is king although I do love my 1911's but I don't carry them.....actually I carry a little 380 because it's so easy and nobody ever knows I have it, most of the time I forget myself.

Hi Red,
.380 Auto / 9mm Corto ( Short) Is a great round , keeps the firearm compact. Yes more comfortable than a G17, But have to like the mag capacity . The 1911/ .45 does pack a wallop with that slug.
Nice Glock collection great choice of calibers.. gotta love polymers .
Rich

 

[RedCowboy]

It's all a lot of fun, too bad we don't have the freedom to build anything we can dream up because I can dream up some cool stuff.....maybe rather than going pneumatic how about a butane/air powered machine gun, like the passloade impulse self contained nail guns? They use a can of compressed butane and fresh air to fire nails, how about ball bearings ?

A simple channel for 50 or so steel ball bearings with a spring loaded pusher and it could use a cordless drill motor and battery to run the bolt which would meter a squirt of air and butane and BANG, a ball bearing machine gun that should be as legal as pneumatic BB machine gun.

 

[Lifetime17]

Hi,
I use the Passlaods in work , finishing and framing. I was repairing and cleaning one and the gas had actuated , it caught of fire fast and I threw it out the shop door.
There is a belt fed pellet rifle cant remember where I seen it but I dont think it was gas power. I like the umarex AR select fire and they make a small version looks a little like the Styre SPP 1ST Gen . gas power would be cool with ball bearings wow imagine.
Rich

 

[RedCowboy]

There's a lot of cool air guns and full auto bb guns which are legal, the little drodz is pretty cool but my idea of using butane would depend on the legal definition which I believe would conceder butane/air combustion as a firearm.......maybe a high compression electric over mechanical piston, motor driven like airsoft uses only with ball bearing projectiles and a serious backpack battery powered electric motor, I would even like to make a semi auto with a light touch trigger and have the electric pump keep a high pressure tank topped off rather than direct firing each ball via. piston action

A firearm is a gun (a barreled ranged weapon) designed to be readily carried and used by a single individual. It inflicts damage on targets by launching one or more projectiles driven by rapidly expanding high-pressure gas produced by exothermic combustion (deflagration) of chemical propellant.[1][2][3] If gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the gun is technically an air gun, not a firearm.[4] Some legal definitions of "firearm" are more broad, and may cover any and all projectile devices, or even other destructive devices

 

[Lifetime17]

There's a lot of cool air guns and full auto bb guns which are legal, the little drodz is pretty cool but my idea of using butane would depend on the legal definition.

A firearm is a gun (a barreled ranged weapon) designed to be readily carried and used by a single individual. It inflicts damage on targets by launching one or more projectiles driven by rapidly expanding high-pressure gas produced by exothermic combustion (deflagration) of chemical propellant.[1][2][3] If gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the gun is technically an air gun, not a firearm.[4] Some legal definitions of "firearm" are more broad, and may cover any and all projectile devices, or even other destructive devices

Hi,
I have the drozd it was one of the first select fire air coming out of Russia. Take to long to load a mag/ low capacity
These two are a lot of fun and work flawlessly And have a large internal capacity / the are Co2 they are 12Gr cartridge . The steel storm can be modded for constant air by replacing one of the 12Gr cartridges with an quick connect airway tube really nice option.
Rich

 

[RedCowboy]

Very nice I had wanted to get one but never did, I did have a MP5 airsoft that would crack open 12 oz soda cans " full unopened cans " which was addictive fun but I have always wanted to get some full auto BB guns and there are a lot of cool ones available today, the huge sporting goods store I go to a lot had a sales flyer where they were letting customers come shoot some they had on sale but this covid19 crap came in before I had a chance to go back last month.

Someday were going to have to repeal the Hughes amendment which was only snuck through in the most underhanded way.

 

[trephanation]

Very nice I had wanted to get one but never did, I did have a MP5 airsoft that would crack open 12 oz soda cans " full unopened cans " which was addictive fun but I have always wanted to get some full auto BB guns and there are a lot of cool ones available today, the huge sporting goods store I go to a lot had a sales flyer where they were letting customers come shoot some they had on sale but this covid19 crap came in before I had a chance to go back last month.

Someday were going to have to repeal the Hughes amendment, I have a bunch of receivers that need a 3rd pin.


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Crosman has a full auto .177 I was looking at the other day actually. Right now as far as airguns go I've still got my Red Ryder. Speaking of which, great gift idea for OP too

 

[Snecho]

I always did quite enjoy a full auto blowback Co2 handgun. Need to get me an air rifle pellet rifle one of these days.


MP5-MP5K very underrated sub-machinegun series IMO.

 

[Lifetime17]

Very nice I had wanted to get one but never did, I did have a MP5 airsoft that would crack open 12 oz soda cans " full unopened cans " which was addictive fun but I have always wanted to get some full auto BB guns and there are a lot of cool ones available today, the huge sporting goods store I go to a lot had a sales flyer where they were letting customers come shoot some they had on sale but this covid19 crap came in before I had a chance to go back last month.

Someday were going to have to repeal the Hughes amendment which was only snuck through in the most underhanded way.


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Red,
Pyramid Air has the umarex for sale at a reasonable price . And google umarex steel storm mods for constant air parts. they are a cinch to install ..
I have a MP5 in .22 cal single action , 10 Rd mag .
Stop teasing with that pic of the selector switch please yummy....
Rich

 

[hakzaw1]

Just go for the sanwu pocket in 488 or 492nm (cyan). Exotic colours are really cool. I own the 492 pocket and it's amazing ;d
Also when ordering choose DHL shipping. It's pricey but their normal shipping is extremely slow. I'm waiting more than a month for mine and still didn't get it.

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DHL Express is a smart choice BUT IMHO the most important thing is getting your item is perfect condition.... unopened , never seized. The sometimes delivery of 3 or 4 days ,of course good too.

Those are reasons why Gray (JETLASERS) uses DHL Express or another express shipper as good as DHL-
You might feel that $38 usd is too much...... until you get burned by a cheaper shipper.

PS
be sure that no batts will be shipped with a laser--even if they are free, (Most will send the cheapest batts they can find, most of the time)

 

[hakzaw1]

system wont let me edit------so

off topic thread-jacking MUCH???---jk

 

[Shiiru]

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DHL Express is a smart choice BUT IMHO the most important thing is getting your item is perfect condition.... unopened , never seized. The sometimes delivery of 3 or 4 days ,of course good too.

Those are reasons why Gray (JETLASERS) uses DHL Express or another express shipper as good as DHL-
You might feel that $38 usd is too much...... until you get burned by a cheaper shipper.

PS
be sure that no batts will be shipped with a laser--even if they are free, (Most will send the cheapest batts they can find, most of the time)

Sanwu orders batts for you from NKON, so they are quality and they usually come before the lasers

 

[Shakenawake]

I agree with what others wrote and I would add that most of us probably arent too keen on this "for pointing at $@!t" concept, it's kinda vague and gives an impression of carelessness.

When I let others see mine, i tell them it has the same rules as a firearm; be sure of your target, make sure there isnt anything around or behind your target that you dont intend to hit, dont aim at anyone or any animals (or at windows that people can be behind or reflective surfaces etc etc). However their ammo which is the speed of light and has no drop/ballistic coefficient, only divergence. Also, the dot on many is too bright to look at close up without safety glasses, and some can set "****" you point at ON FIRE. Basically a 10 min lecture

Yadda yadda yadda so you get the point, it's not exactly for "pointing at ****" per se, not to jump down your throat about it.

Y'all talking air guns without me?

I have considered that air arms SMG .22 but I dont want to go through pellets that fast and it isnt as powerful as I would like.

The lcs sk19 sold by airguns of arizona comes in .22 or .25 caliber, much like my huben k1. Pretty sure they reverse engineered a huben actually, they are so similar. One difference is that the lcs sk19 has a selector switch for semi AND full auto. The .22 can make 60 FPE at the muzzle and the .25 can make 70 FPE IIRC. Airguns of arizona told me that lcs is working on a .25 cal version that has a barrel made for slugs (like I like) and will be capable of 100 FPE at the muzzle. I'm selling my huben and buying one of those if they do that. Heck they shoulda reverse engineered it to shoot slugs like the huben k1 from the start, that's arguably the most unique feature of the huben, besides being hammerless and semi auto, but I digress.

If I had to get a full auto bb gun that used C02 (I prefer PCP airguns as I have a 4500 psi compressor and a large carbon fiber tank) I would probably go for the umarex legends MP 40 replica.

As for gasses used, I know that some people are shooting big bore airguns filled with helium and they are getting around 50% more muzzle energy with it. Something about it being a thinner gas, I'm not sure exactly. I wonder what my bushbuck could do with helium. On air it makes just over 600 FPE with a 470 grain slug. It's going 780ish FPS to do that, but I kinda like shooting 250 grain slugs out of it as they're cheaper and fly at like 960 FPS, so less energy but more expansion and a flatter trajectory

 

[Snecho]

OP hasn't even logged back in since day of posting.

Kinda getting tired of these "hit and run" type of accounts 😤

 

[gazer101]

Its ok though, this thread will find its way to google and help out people trying to get into the laser hobby