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HOW EASY IT IS TO RUIN AN EBAY SELLER's BUSINESS!

Exerd said:
Jerry,

They quit doing that a long time ago. Apparently, Paypal is in need of those pennies, too. :D
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I did it six weeks ago? Took 3 days for the two payments to come in and then it was all verified.
 





Asherz said:
I did it six weeks ago? Took 3 days for the two payments to come in and then it was all verified.
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ossumguywill said:
they charged me a dollar
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Hmm. Come to think about it, they have to be doing it differently depending on payment method being used. For people who are adding a bank account, maybe they are still doing the "two deposit" method. For people only using their credit card, they are certainly charging you that dollar.
 
Exerd said:
I agree fully. It is a giant catastrophe. They are trying to push towards giant sellers, and weed out the regular people. Do you ever notice how eBay used to be about deals, and now it's nothing special? All the good in ebay has been monopolized, and aggravated to the point it no longer exists.

You cannot even sell on ebay without offering Paypal as an accepted payment choice. WTF is up with that? Further monopoly on the part of two "separate" organizations working as one.

I have sold stuff, and simply put NA@NA.com for the paypal address, and then put "NO PAYPAL" in the auction description.

Also, ebay used to offer fixed fees, then over time they slowly snuck in new fees to tack on. Now you are charged a final value fee.

Ugh. The whole experience just rubs me the wrong way.

I'd be surprised if we don't see a second form of auction site birth and grow within the next decade. Can ebay really survive alone with all of these dirty tactics?
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There was actually some site called bidbay I think. They got sued and shut down by ebay. Ebay thinks that they own the whole concept of online auctions or something.

Honestly Ebay is perfectly fine for buyers and MAJOR sellers. Personally I wouldn't sell anything expensive there unless it's something I wanna get rid of anyway. There's just way too many ways a small seller can get ripped off and they have zero options. I still don't understand why exactly they took away the sellers ability to leave negative feedback. I mean probably 97% of buyers are perfectly normal understanding people and as long as you communicate with them there won't be any issues. The 3% of bad buyers includes scam artists and assholes in general who will go off the deep end over any delay or problem. They deserve to get negative feedback so they get weeded out and as a seller you'll know that you can count on that buyer with 100's of positive feedback not to screw you.
 
Razako said:
The whole paypal and ebay deal is fundamentally rigged in favor of the seller and it all starts with ebay's moronic policy of the buyer being the only one able to leave negative feedback. Assuming that sellers could leave negative feedback then the bad buyers would eventually be sorted out. In the current system you've got 200+ 100% feedback buyers who are total assholes and there's no way to mark them.

Also their "not as described" deal is bs. You can buy something, claim not as described, send a box a rocks back to them with tracking and boom you win. Nothing they can do.

Ebay/paypal is basically set up entirely to make new and casual buyers feel secure.
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I am confused by your post. First you say it is rigged for the seller, then at the end, you say buyers. ??

I think ebay is rigged towards the buyer. The seller has to take so much crap it really isnt worth trying to sell stuff there. The sellers are responsible for the item they sell all the way until it gets into the buyers hand. If the buyer doesnt receive it (or even if they do, as in scammers) all they have to do is file a report with ebay/paypal and BOOM! the money is removed from the sellers account. The buyer only has to complain and they get their money back. The seller is left with nothing. It is up to the seller to insure their stuff, but if you have ever had to deal with post office insurance claims, you will think again before shipping anything of value thru them. It is laughable when sellers claim in big bold type I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOSS OR whatever. That is so far from the truth. They ARE responsible for everything.

I wont even go into the ridiculous fee structure ebay pigs have set up or the fact that they (ebay) collects double fees because they own paypal. That is just not right, IMO.

Back when ebay started, it was a lot of fun and you could make some decent money selling stuff you had laying around the house. Those days are long gone. The sellers live in fear of the dreaded negative feedback which buyers are free to leave, but sellers arent. Trying to get feedback removed is about as easy as it would be for a man to have a baby. It isn't fair by any stretch of the imagination.

I hated it when they started shielding buyers id's from others to see, when they shortened the amount of history purchase time available to check and lots of other 'improvements' they have made. It is a scammers paradise. Dont buy any 'name' brand things because the chances are very good it is a knock off from China. It doesnt do much good to report obvious scams either.

Ebay has a lock on the online auction but it is fading fast. Sellers are fed up and are closing their stores and getting out of dodge. Ebay became too big for its britches and got greedy. I wish they would go broke.

There is a way to check anyones past feed back for any negatives, even if it was a long long time ago. Go here Negative/Neutral Feedback and type in any users id. click on the 'allow 1000' and 'false positives' too. It dredges up stuff from when ebay started. Pretty useful.

my two cents
ab

Oh, WHO would keep 25k in their paypal account???? And for gods sake, WHY?
 
abbeytoo said:
I am confused by your post. First you say it is rigged for the seller, then at the end, you say buyers. ??

I think ebay is rigged towards the buyer. The seller has to take so much crap it really isnt worth trying to sell stuff there. The sellers are responsible for the item they sell all the way until it gets into the buyers hand. If the buyer doesnt receive it (or even if they do, as in scammers) all they have to do is file a report with ebay/paypal and BOOM! the money is removed from the sellers account. The buyer only has to complain and they get their money back. The seller is left with nothing. It is up to the seller to insure their stuff, but if you have ever had to deal with post office insurance claims, you will think again before shipping anything of value thru them. It is laughable when sellers claim in big bold type I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOSS OR whatever. That is so far from the truth. They ARE responsible for everything.

I wont even go into the ridiculous fee structure ebay pigs have set up or the fact that they (ebay) collects double fees because they own paypal. That is just not right, IMO.

Back when ebay started, it was a lot of fun and you could make some decent money selling stuff you had laying around the house. Those days are long gone. The sellers live in fear of the dreaded negative feedback which buyers are free to leave, but sellers arent. Trying to get feedback removed is about as easy as it would be for a man to have a baby. It isn't fair by any stretch of the imagination.

I hated it when they started shielding buyers id's from others to see, when they shortened the amount of history purchase time available to check and lots of other 'improvements' they have made. It is a scammers paradise. Dont buy any 'name' brand things because the chances are very good it is a knock off from China. It doesnt do much good to report obvious scams either.

Ebay has a lock on the online auction but it is fading fast. Sellers are fed up and are closing their stores and getting out of dodge. Ebay became too big for its britches and got greedy. I wish they would go broke.

There is a way to check anyones past feed back for any negatives, even if it was a long long time ago. Go here Negative/Neutral Feedback and type in any users id. click on the 'allow 1000' and 'false positives' too. It dredges up stuff from when ebay started. Pretty useful.

my two cents
ab

Oh, WHO would keep 25k in their paypal account???? And for gods sake, WHY?
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Sorry that was a stupid mistake in my post. I meant buyer and somehow seller ended up there.
 
Anything I'm ever buying over internet is laser related stuff which is available on sites like HTD , O-like and others, and ofcoure the forum itself.
So I as a buyer never had any problems with ebay because I rarely ever buy on it, I only bought my soldering iron over the ebay and it's great, came packaged exeptionaly well, some Wiltec German seller, awsome guy, got me free shipping to Croatia for 3 KG box.

In any way, you all folks can actually recieve paypal funds - I cannot .
I emailed paypal couple of times now, they say it's due to the complexity of monetary system and some sh*t.

I can't sell any stuff , to the forum or over Ebay, anyhow. Unless some of you feel OK paying 30% of price to the bank for bank transfer to the account. Which nobody in sane mind would do next to sellers like ones we have.

So my experience as a Ebay seller is non-existent, and will stay that way for indefinetly.

Sucks, eh?
 
Eudaimonium said:
Anything I'm ever buying over internet is laser related stuff which is available on sites like HTD , O-like and others, and ofcoure the forum itself.
So I as a buyer never had any problems with ebay because I rarely ever buy on it, I only bought my soldering iron over the ebay and it's great, came packaged exeptionaly well, some Wiltec German seller, awsome guy, got me free shipping to Croatia for 3 KG box.

In any way, you all folks can actually recieve paypal funds - I cannot .
I emailed paypal couple of times now, they say it's due to the complexity of monetary system and some sh*t.

I can't sell any stuff , to the forum or over Ebay, anyhow. Unless some of you feel OK paying 30% of price to the bank for bank transfer to the account. Which nobody in sane mind would do next to sellers like ones we have.

So my experience as a Ebay seller is non-existent, and will stay that way for indefinetly.

Sucks, eh?
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I'd say, not having the choice, sucks, but ebay is a bigger suckage.

check this out

this is for vinyl fret dots that I sell on ebay

march sales $106.00 ebay/paypal fees $50.38 (ebay 41.17, paypal 9.21)
April sales $211.99 ebay/paypal fees $66.84 (ebay 57.83, paypal 9.01)
May sales $ 34.50 ebay/paypal fees $25.93 (ebay 21.32, paypal 4.61)

since ebay owns paypal, it is all ebay money

Point out ONE thing in that, that does NOT suck!
 
abbeytoo said:
lol I meant about the sales vs fees thing I posted. now THAT sucks.
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You are at least able to get money on paypal and you can send me 445 nm diode and I can send you $40.
If I were to sell you a 445nm diode it'll in the end cost you $100 to transfer funds over banks which costs money, times, and nerves.

In short, you can sell, I can't. How bad does THAT suck?!
 
Eudaimonium said:
You are at least able to get money on paypal and you can send me 445 nm diode and I can send you $40.
If I were to sell you a 445nm diode it'll in the end cost you $100 to transfer funds over banks which costs money, times, and nerves.

In short, you can sell, I can't. How bad does THAT suck?!
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Ok, ok, that sucks too. Is it because Paypal thinks Croatia sucks or what is the reason? Just because you don't have a US Address?
 
I read this somewhere on a LPF post.

Open a new acct. at a new bank. Cheapest one---savings or cking.

Keep the least amt. allowable in that acct. at all times.
Decline all offers to have a CC.
Open no other accts. at the new.
Make a new Ebay acct.
Make a new PP linked ONLY to that new bank never to a CC!!!.
Transfer all(except a few$$) PP funds to your other bank asap.
AFAIK pp/ebay cannot do a chargeback.
When you buy use your old PP/ebay acct.
Only sell on your new acct.
New rules may make all this not do-able atm...I read this a while back and have not tried it out---yet.

BTW I got 'scammed' by motel268---the ratba5tards who had a listing for $2.99 BR pens w/ free shipping. They used the lie/stall/lie some more/ stall some more/ lie again and by then you cannot leave a neg FB and you get a refund- but not what you wanted.
I still consider that a scam.
Every excuse except 'the dog ate it'.
On this one the seller got over on me w/ the help(by lack of any real action) of FeeBay. Just tell me how I can prove that a china seller never shipped my pens??

AVOID MOTEL268
 
abbeytoo said:
Ok, ok, that sucks too. Is it because Paypal thinks Croatia sucks or what is the reason? Just because you don't have a US Address?
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I've wondered about that myself. I emailed the PP staff, they said it's because of complexity of the worldwide monetary system, and that they are working on it.
I've dug up, by google, some old thread in Croatian forum, saying that the OP communicated with PP staff and that we should be able to recieve paypal funds... by 2007. Yippee-EFFin'-yay.

BTW, FYI, Croatia sucks. I'm getting the hell out of here after I finish college. Hopefuly somewhere in Ontario, Canada :)
 
Eudaimonium said:
I've wondered about that myself. I emailed the PP staff, they said it's because of complexity of the worldwide monetary system, and that they are working on it.
I've dug up, by google, some old thread in Croatian forum, saying that the OP communicated with PP staff and that we should be able to recieve paypal funds... by 2007. Yippee-EFFin'-yay.

BTW, FYI, Croatia sucks. I'm getting the hell out of here after I finish college. Hopefuly somewhere in Ontario, Canada :)
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Does it snow there? Humidity in summer? What type of govt do you have going on over there?

California sucks too, except for the weather and total lack of humidity. It costs both arms and both legs to live here. Everything is a lot higher here than the rest of the country. Plus the rest of the country doesnt like Californians lol
 
abbeytoo said:
Does it snow there? Humidity in summer? What type of govt do you have going on over there?

California sucks too, except for the weather and total lack of humidity. It costs both arms and both legs to live here. Everything is a lot higher here than the rest of the country. Plus the rest of the country doesnt like Californians lol
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I am not refering to weather.
I am refering to what passes for government here.

VAT is 23%, each and every of folks up there in high position have $4000 paycheck monthly, which is highest possible in Croatia, and also tell US to start saving and be rational with our $400 paychecks.

Ahh don't ask. It just suckz.
 
Eudaimonium said:
I am not refering to weather.
I am refering to what passes for government here.

VAT is 23%, each and every of folks up there in high position have $4000 paycheck monthly, which is highest possible in Croatia, and also tell US to start saving and be rational with our $400 paychecks.

Ahh don't ask. It just suckz.
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Sorry Hon, didn't mean to hit a nerve. I sort of thought it was pretty grim there, but wasn't real sure. I don't pay attention to other countries goings on. I asked about the weather because Canada is Brrr Cold, and just wondered if you were used to snow. I don't blame you one bit for wanting to get out of there. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to live there. I have only ever lived in the US and our 'problems and gripes' are laughable to people in other countries that do not have the freedom and liberties we have here. Although, those freedoms and liberties are being stripped away at a rapid rate by our F'd up government.

The economy is in the toilet now. California doesn't have a budget so the asshat governor bumped the state workers back to minimum wage until one is passed. That wont get the budget done! what he should have done is take away the paychecks of the people in charge of making the budget! They all went on vacation at the beginning of the new fiscal year, instead of sitting there and making the budget! WTF? I would have made them stay until it was done. No food, no water, no money. Get the damn budget done so we can move on. Geeze, they do this every stinking year, and every year, they cant get it done on time. I don't get it.

I've never been to Canada, but am seriously considering moving up there. I am fed up with the way things are run/done here. Or maybe to Lake Chapala, Mexico. That is another thought. I have to do something soon.

Sorry for the rant.
 
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