HOW EASY IT IS TO RUIN AN EBAY SELLER's BUSINESS!

[heruursciences]

How to get someone's PAY PAL account frozen, and get them forever blocked from ebay, and e-commerce by default is easy. Simply get 3 friends to buy items from them, then file a SNAD disputes after getting the items. All you need is 4 disputes total.

Be sure it is within the same month. In three days their PayPal account will be frozen indefinately if they are not a multi thousand a month power seller gross > $25,000 a month.

Then they block the account by name, address, ssn, bank account, ebay account, business name, IP, email address and credit cards, and they cannot buy with any credit cards from any merchant such as Axiz that takes credit cards with paypal's pay-flow merchant account. Also they send a very nasty e-mail to all of their previous buyers that encourages more disputes and ruins your reputation.

Please do not do this to anyone undeserving. Still feel safe selling on ebay and using paypal?

 

[lasersbee]

Yeah... I still feel safe selling on eBay and using PayPal...
Even though eBay is leaning towards " the customer is
right even if he is raping you and is a prick"

The trick is to respond to eBay customer messages and E-Mails
ASAP and not to piss off any customers and give them what they
paid for in a timely manner...

I personally won't buy from you anymore (even though I eventually
received what I purchased from you) simply because you don't respond
to queries in a timely manner and you ship late...

Refusal to communicate just turns me off to suppliers...
Sorry Chris... but that's just my take of things...


Jerry

 

[kiyoukan]

thats scary...

 

[heruursciences]

I got into an auto crash last December on my way to my relatives for the holidays. I am sorry you got your item late. Anyway, i am not selling on eBay anymore because they cut off my balls by freezing my pay-pal account.

 

[ossumguywill]

I find it scary how easy it is to BECOME a paypal seller... a couple days back I got seller status, not once did they check my age. They just wanted my bank numbers, that's it lol.

 

[heruursciences]

That's just it, it's easy to become a seller, but is hard to STAY a seller. Here is what they do. They put your money on a 21 day or x% hold and wait until you sell over a certain dollar amount and then on day 20 they will freeze your account until you give them a SSN and let them check your credit report.

If you, have not so good credit, ever had another frozen PP account, cannot prove where you got your stuff from, cannot provide proof of delivery for everything you shipped, had someone with a different paypal account live at the same address that is linked to your PP account, or had any disputes or charge backs at all, and have less than $25K in your PP account they will send you a nasty email saying we don't want you as a customer and hold your money for 180 days, and blackball you as per my OP.

It is a cash grab pure and simple.

 

[ossumguywill]

That's just it, it's easy to become a seller, but is hard to STAY a seller. Here is what they do. They put your money on a 21 day or x% hold and wait until you sell over a certain dollar amount and then on day 20 they will freeze your account until you give them a SSN and let them check your credit report.

If you, have not so good credit, ever had another frozen PP account, cannot prove where you got your stuff from, cannot provide proof of delivery for everything you shipped, had someone with a different paypal account live at the same address that is linked to your PP account, or had any disputes or charge backs at all, and have less than $25K in your PP account they will send you a nasty email saying we don't want you as a customer and hold your money for 180 days, and blackball you as per my OP.

It is a cash grab pure and simple.

that sucks... it seems strange to me that they can legally hold your money like that. That's why I keep all my cash in the bank and not in my paypal. Sure, paypal could withdraw but it takes a few days and I could always tell the bank not to let them. That's a bummer that you got suspended though... can you use google checkout?

 

[rangedunits]

That's just it, it's easy to become a seller, but is hard to STAY a seller. Here is what they do. They put your money on a 21 day or x% hold and wait until you sell over a certain dollar amount and then on day 20 they will freeze your account until you give them a SSN and let them check your credit report.

If you, have not so good credit, ever had another frozen PP account, cannot prove where you got your stuff from, cannot provide proof of delivery for everything you shipped, had someone with a different paypal account live at the same address that is linked to your PP account, or had any disputes or charge backs at all, and have less than $25K in your PP account they will send you a nasty email saying we don't want you as a customer and hold your money for 180 days, and blackball you as per my OP.

It is a cash grab pure and simple.

Can they really hold the money for that long? This seem illegal...

 

[Exerd]

I hate paypal, but I found myself being sucked into using them again because people won't diversify and use things like Google checkout.

I listed an item on a forum for sale, a computer graphics card.

A guy asked me if I would ship overseas, so I said sure, if he would pay $50 shipping. He said that was fine. So I got a paypal payment of $400. I immediately transfer the money to my bank account. I then send the item, and give him the tracking number.

Two days after I sent the tracking number, I get a paypal dispute email, saying "unauthorized transaction". Bullshit!

Now paypal wants proof that I sent the item. I give them a USPS tracking number the same day they request it. As soon as I send the tracking number, the dispute closes, and may paypal account has a negative $400 balance. WTF???

Paypal said that the man had the payment reversed by his credit card company. So, it was obvious. Paypal lost their $400, so now they wanted to stick it to me.

All paypal would say is that I am not covered as a seller, because I did not send to a verified address.

That is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. I don't need some "big brother" to be telling me who I can send my items to. If someone pays me, they get the item sent to where they ask me to send it. I have 3 different shipping addresses myself, and people send to whatever address I ask for all the time. Who verifies this? Is there some Paypal fairy who goes around checking addresses to see if the correct person lives there?

Anyways, paypal ate the loss like they should have, though surely not willingly. I never paid them the $400, I ditched the account, opened a new Paypal account, and now use the new one just fine without any problems.

 

[ossumguywill]

that sucks exerd.... some people are huge assholes...

 

[lasersbee]

I got into an auto crash last December on my way to my relatives for the holidays. I am sorry you got your item late. Anyway, i am not selling on eBay anymore because they cut off my balls by freezing my pay-pal account.

What I stated had not only to do with eBay... but sales on LPF as well..
Customers that are kept in the loop by communication will be happy...
Ignore them and they will worry and revolt..

(sorry to hear you had an accident... but without communication
there is no way for the customer to know that either...)

That's just it, it's easy to become a seller, but is hard to STAY a seller. Here is what they do. They put your money on a 21 day or x% hold and wait until you sell over a certain dollar amount and then on day 20 they will freeze your account until you give them a SSN and let them check your credit report.

If you, have not so good credit, ever had another frozen PP account, cannot prove where you got your stuff from, cannot provide proof of delivery for everything you shipped, had someone with a different paypal account live at the same address that is linked to your PP account, or had any disputes or charge backs at all, and have less than $25K in your PP account they will send you a nasty email saying we don't want you as a customer and hold your money for 180 days, and blackball you as per my OP.

It is a cash grab pure and simple.

I've had my present account for 2 years now and I did not need to jump
through the hoops that you describe...
I opened my account for a year before I decided I would attach mt Bank
account to my PayPal account... I have never had over $5000.00 in my
PayPal account at any onetime...

So I don't know what you are referring to with $25K...
Maybe their criteria and watch dogs smelled something funny with
your transactions or account..
I don't really know... I don't have access to your PayPal account
activity history...


Jerry

 

[lasersbee]

Sorry for the double post... the other one was long enough...

That is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. I don't need some "big brother" to be telling me who I can send my items to. If someone pays me, they get the item sent to where they ask me to send it. I have 3 different shipping addresses myself, and people send to whatever address I ask for all the time. Who verifies this? Is there some Paypal fairy who goes around checking addresses to see if the correct person lives there?

Yes... they do...
In my case...PayPal verifies this when you open your account
with a valid Credit Card... They send 2 small (in the pennies)
amounts to the Credit card that you used...
When you get your CC monthly payment invoice the amounts will
be on there.
Then you contact PayPal to tell them the two amounts and if they
match your account is activated...
Therefore they now know that the CC I used to open the PP account
is linked to my address that I receive my monthly CC statement..

Jerry

 

[Exerd]

Jerry,

They quit doing that a long time ago. Apparently, Paypal is in need of those pennies, too.

Now, they charge YOU. That payment that you are charged shows up on the statement as a 4 or 5 digit number.

With the new account I created, I never had to do this. I watched someone else do it months ago. All they had me do was enter a valid card, and away you go. Apparently they are getting even more desperate for anyone to simply use their services.

 

[ossumguywill]

Jerry,

They quit doing that a long time ago. Apparently, Paypal is in need of those pennies, too.

Now, they charge YOU. That payment that you are charged shows up on the statement as a 4 or 5 digit number.

With the new account I created, I never had to do this. I watched someone else do it months ago. All they had me do was enter a valid card, and away you go. Apparently they are getting even more desperate for anyone to simply use their services.

they charged me a dollar, and now for some reason the charge disappeared from my online thingy, but there appears to be a $1 charge pending :wtf: so I basically have 1 dollar in my account I can never use... not a huge deal, just annoying.

 

[Razako]

The whole paypal and ebay deal is fundamentally rigged in favor of the buy and it all starts with ebay's moronic policy of the buyer being the only one able to leave negative feedback. Assuming that sellers could leave negative feedback then the bad buyers would eventually be sorted out. In the current system you've got 200+ 100% feedback buyers who are total assholes and there's no way to mark them.

Also their "not as described" deal is bs. You can buy something, claim not as described, send a box a rocks back to them with tracking and boom you win. Nothing they can do.

Ebay/paypal is basically set up entirely to make new and casual buyers feel secure.

 

[Exerd]

The whole paypal and ebay deal is fundamentally rigged in favor of the seller and it all starts with ebay's moronic policy of the buyer being the only one able to leave negative feedback. Assuming that sellers could leave negative feedback then the bad buyers would eventually be sorted out. In the current system you've got 200+ 100% feedback buyers who are total assholes and there's no way to mark them.

Also their "not as described" deal is bs. You can buy something, claim not as described, send a box a rocks back to them with tracking and boom you win. Nothing they can do.

Ebay/paypal is basically set up entirely to make new and casual buyers feel secure.

I agree fully. It is a giant catastrophe. They are trying to push towards giant sellers, and weed out the regular people. Do you ever notice how eBay used to be about deals, and now it's nothing special? All the good in ebay has been monopolized, and aggravated to the point it no longer exists.

You cannot even sell on ebay without offering Paypal as an accepted payment choice. WTF is up with that? Further monopoly on the part of two "separate" organizations working as one.

I have sold stuff, and simply put NA@NA.com for the paypal address, and then put "NO PAYPAL" in the auction description.

Also, ebay used to offer fixed fees, then over time they slowly snuck in new fees to tack on. Now you are charged a final value fee.

Ugh. The whole experience just rubs me the wrong way.

I'd be surprised if we don't see a second form of auction site birth and grow within the next decade. Can ebay really survive alone with all of these dirty tactics?