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Oh yeah regarding the new retarded iPhones.

On the new phones (I imagine several other companies will attempt this too), they will probably have finger print readers.

That means you can use your fingerprint to unlock your device.

You don't have to.
You can always use the normal slide to unlock bars or pattern/pin codes if you're paranoid.

There, hope this clarifies stuff to everybody, because there appears to be some confusion.
 
I placed that cartoon here, because I think for once the paranoia is unfounded.

Ever applied for a passport? CCW? Dealt with certain agencies? (Immigration for example.) Been arrested?

Guess what, your prints are already on file.

I think it would be great for two step verification though... punch in a pin like you normally do, and while you do so your finger is also scanned to make sure it's you putting it in.
 
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InfinitusEquitas said:
I think it would be great for two step verification though... punch in a pin like you normally do, and while you do so your finger is also scanned to make sure it's you putting it in.
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Dude, Geez, have we really reached a point where it's more important to protect the shitty webcam photos on your phone rather than your front door?

Seriously, the lenghts some people go. Pattern locks, PIN locks, front-facing cam face recognition, now even fingerprints. What next, small needle on the side of your phone for DNA test?

Seriously what the hell, nobody's gonna first try accessing the phone before stealing it.

What the heck can possibly be on a phone that needs so much protection?
 
I actually agree. I wonder if it will support 2-step as an option? And I also wonder why iOS always has a bug about getting into the phone from the locked screen...

Supposedly, the identifying metadata regarding your fingerprints is stored on hardware in the phone, not centrally.

If I were trying to steal sensitive info, a phone would be the easiest way. People always have their phones on them, and they always connect to their email, and often the phone isn't even secured with a passcode. Even if it is, you often know what digits to use and just have to figure out the right order, because glass is great at picking up finger smudges ;-)

#1 cause for data breaches: stupid people.
 
Eudaimonium said:
Dude, Geez, have we really reached a point where it's more important to protect the shitty webcam photos on your phone rather than your front door?

Seriously, the lenghts some people go. Pattern locks, PIN locks, front-facing cam face recognition, now even fingerprints. What next, small needle on the side of your phone for DNA test?

Seriously what the hell, nobody's gonna first try accessing the phone before stealing it.

What the heck can possibly be on a phone that needs so much protection?
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My phone is connected to both my private and business email accounts....

With access to those accounts a person could very easily screw up my life or impersonate me.

(Think about it... you go to a website, 99% of the time the login is the email address. After that you need your password reset? A link is sent to your email, which is accessible on the phone - even with the original password, or email account password not visible/known. Secondary verification, also more often than not, is to send a text message.)

So uhm... yeah... I'll be paranoid on the off chance the phone is stolen.

I've actually been thinking that when I upgrade later this month, I need to look into encryption in addition to using a pin.

Ideally I'd prefer a phone capable of Iris recognition as soon as it faces you, and a pin on top of that.

Edit: I'm dead set against using Apple... some patrol cops,and many departments are already equipped to bypass the pin protection.
 
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I actually agree. I wonder if it will support 2-step as an option? And I also wonder why iOS always has a bug about getting into the phone from the locked screen...

Supposedly, the identifying metadata regarding your fingerprints is stored on hardware in the phone, not centrally.

If I were trying to steal sensitive info, a phone would be the easiest way. People always have their phones on them, and they always connect to their email, and often the phone isn't even secured with a passcode. Even if it is, you often know what digits to use and just have to figure out the right order, because glass is great at picking up finger smudges ;-)

#1 cause for data breaches: stupid people.
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...which precisely makes it the NOT easiest way to steal info. You have to physically get close to the person. Easy to stop, or identify if stolen.

Another thing is if somebody loses a phone, but if the first thing that crosses your mind when finding somebody's phone randomly is "I'm totally f**king up that person's life even further", then you need, like, ALL the help, and the damage you could do with that phone probably isn't all that substantial.

I will agree that human stupidity IS number one reason for identity and information theft. The most common ways are not double-checking sketchy email attachments or links, and giving your passwords to people over the phone (social engineering).

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Ideally I'd prefer a phone capable of Iris recognition as soon as it faces you, and a pin on top of that.
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Well I very much hope you never need to call an emergency service real fast in anything other than ideal lightning conditions.

Seriously if it were up to me, I'd even skip the whole "Swipe to unlock" bullcr*p. Double-tap the power button and you're good to go, or something to that tune.
 
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Eudaimonium said:
...which precisely makes it the NOT easiest way to steal info. You have to physically get close to the person. Easy to stop, or identify if stolen.

Another thing is if somebody loses a phone, but if the first thing that crosses your mind when finding somebody's phone randomly is "I'm totally f**king up that person's life even further", then you need, like, ALL the help, and the damage you could do with that phone probably isn't all that substantial.

I will agree that human stupidity IS number one reason for identity and information theft. The most common ways are not double-checking sketchy email attachments or links, and giving your passwords to people over the phone (social engineering).

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Well I very much hope you never need to call an emergency service real fast in anything other than ideal lightning conditions.

Seriously if it were up to me, I'd even skip the whole "Swipe to unlock" bullcr*p. Double-tap the power button and you're good to go, or something to that tune.
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People lose phones ALL THE TIME. Phone theft is also an extremely common occurrence.

There are literally countless cases of phones being snatched out of people's hands, and thieves running off, or riding by on a bike and grabbing the phone.

The reason for this is simple. More often than not, the phone will be the most expensive thing a person carries.

Additionally I don't have the faith you do, in a person not wanting to do something bad, especially since that person likely stole the phone from me in the first place to profit.

With regards to emergencies, all phones have an emergency call bypass.

Without exception.

With regards to poor lighting conditions, it wouldn't take much to add an IR led, or have the screen itself emit a bit of IR to provide sufficient lighting for facial recognition. Iris recognition is harder... but not impossible. There just isn't a market for it yet.

Despite all the cynicism, this move by Apple is logical, and probably will do more good than harm, since (lazy stupid) people are more likely to use the feature, instead of a pin they might forget.
 
InfinitusEquitas said:
People lose phones ALL THE TIME. Phone theft is also an extremely common occurrence.

There are literally countless cases of phones being snatched out of people's hands, and thieves running off, or riding by on a bike and grabbing the phone.

The reason for this is simple. More often than not, the phone will be the most expensive thing a person carries.

Additionally I don't have the faith you do, in a person not wanting to do something bad, especially since that person likely stole the phone from me in the first place to profit.

With regards to emergencies, all phones have an emergency call bypass.

Without exception.

With regards to poor lighting conditions, it wouldn't take much to add an IR led, or have the screen itself emit a bit of IR to provide sufficient lighting for facial recognition. Iris recognition is harder... but not impossible. There just isn't a market for it yet.

Despite all the cynicism, this move by Apple is logical, and probably will do more good than harm, since (lazy stupid) people are more likely to use the feature, instead of a pin they might forget.
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To give you a perspective of how alien everything you just said sounds to me, allow me to explain this concept.

We have several restaurants near our college where we students can use our discount cards to eat. When you enter a restaurant, you usually pick up a tray and go to pick your food and wait for cashier to charge you.

Sometimes when I'm with friends, me or somebody go beforehand to find a free table and leave my backpack, phone or maybe jacket/coat on it to let people know it's occupied so we have a place to sit later when we're done waiting in line. Also with a laptop bag but I don't carry it often.
 
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