Cyonics Uniphase 2101B-10SLSC PSUs

[Morgan]

Hi All,

This is not technically a, "Deal & Discounts", thread or a, "For Sale", thread just yet but it could be so I put it here.

I've been doing a bit or work for lasers instead of cash recently and the guy still has some gear that might be of interest but I need an informed offer to put to him if others are interested in it.

He has:

Close to 50, "Dead", Argon tubes from Cyonics and Uniphase heads similar to the one in my thread last week: http://laserpointerforums.com/f43/now-added-argon-49999.html

Also some other PSUs similar to my new one, (230VAC), but also some 115VAC versions, (I don't know how many exactly but it's more than one!)

The tubes are obviously a gamble but on a job lot with everything else it may be worth it?

The PSUs, on the other hand, are working so must be of value to someone. I'm sure these are not rare as they are only 8A units but it would be a shame to see them scrapped just because I didn't post this.

What are the PSUs worth? Anyone interested?

I picked up 8 more heads today myself and another PSU. Some working, some not, but I'm tinkering and some are responding to a little TLC.

Thanks all,

M


[EDIT - 3rd May 2010. Added photos of PSU available]

 

[Prototype]

I say get them all for yourself, and declare yourself Argonicus, king of the argons!

 

[Morgan]

Now that I like!

I'm Argonicus... I'm Argonicus! No, I'm Argonicus! and so on.......

M

 

[MarioMaster]

do you have any pictures of the PSU? If you have any 115v supplies that will work with a C/U 2214-40MLA tube I'd be interested

 

[Morgan]

Hi MarioMaster, I'll have to defer to higher powers as to whether they will or not. As far as I know they are the same as the one I have, except 115V of course, (the link with the model number for mine is in my first post), so 8Amp output but maybe a guru knows the answer to this one. What I'll do is try and get a model number as I wasn't able to today. I won't be able to promise any pictures before next weekend but I'll work on that too.

Any further info welcomed in the meantime.

M

 

[aryntha]

If there's a working 2214-xxML in that lot -- even if it's not a flamethrower -- I'd be interested. Maybe 4th time's the charm.

 

[Morgan]

@Aryntha, Did I read about your 3 dead purchases in a row? That really sucked. The ones I have are mostly 2201-10SLSM so no 2214-anythings, (I'm assuming 2214-xxML is a head model number?). This is all new ground for me so numbers etc are pretty alien at the moment. The ones I've got working so far are outputting about 20mW but they're not all happy to start first time yet. I'm burning them in slowly though and today's fire up was less of a fight. Out of the nine heads, I think 2 are working reasonably well, 1 seems to only run on idle, (turning the current knob does nothing), and 1 or 2 are pains to get going but stay lit once they do. I'd be happy to let some go at some point but as I said in my first post, this isn't about selling, more about saving stuff that might get binned unless an offer can be made. I'm going to phone the guy tomorrow, (Mon 26th), to get the model number for the 115V PSUs and I'll post back when I have that.

I am really loving the new part of the spectrum though. So much more reading to be done!

M

 

[aryntha]

Understandable, Morgan. And yeah - it's a head number and, yeah, 3 dead in a row. If you find anything that says "ML" (Multiline), keep me in mind but, I understand, I'd hate to see good laser stuff just tossed.

 

[Morgan]

There you go, see? Only a couple of posts in and the numbers are already coming into focus. 2201-10SLSM. SL must stand for, "Single Line"! SM? "Single Mode", perhaps?

I'll have a check on the back of all of the heads now. Not confident any will be, "ML", (Ooo, I used an abbreviation!), as these were from reprographics machines and I think part of th point was to maintain a single wavelength. However, there may be something in the pile of, "Dead", tubes. How would I identify the specs on the tube itself?

On the tubes, I'm thinking of just saying a pound a pop, (£1 per dead tube). Does that sound over the top for potentially worthless hazardous waste?

M

 

[aryntha]

Oh, wow. Here you go. Why didn't I think of this - Assuming makes an ass out of, well, me.

Here are some examples of JDSU head model numbers.

xxxx-20SL = 20mW rated at end of life, Single Line (Cyan) (488nm)
xxxx-4VL = 4mW rated at end of life, Violet Line (458nm)
xxxx-40GL = 40mW Green Line, (515nm)
xxxx-40ML = 40mW Multi Line (usually 6 lines from 515-458nm)
xxxx-40MLUP = 40mW Multi Line Unpolarized
xxxx-40MLS = 40mW, MultiLine, Single Mode

2213 = their "high power" cylindrical head series, usually ~75mW in all lines except Violet which is ~15mW.
2214 = their "low power" series, 20-40mW except 4mW in violet line; Cylindrical head - the most common.
2211 = same as 2214 but rectangular heads.
2218 = Another cylindrical head series, usually 10-30mW, only comes in SL or ML
2219 = Same as 2218 but rectangular heads.

Other things you'll see are like "xxxx-SLQTA" which, I haven't identified what the "QTA" means, except that the "QTA" heads seem to have shorter (~1 ft) power umbilicals whereas the ones without have longer (~4-5ft) power umbilicals.

Hope this helps! And if anyone else has any updates or corrections to this, do let me know!

 

[Morgan]

That is a helpful list! I'm revisiting Sam FAQs now to read up on the gassy stuff but I find the site such hard going. Allthewordsstartblurringtogether. Most of the info is also concerned with the next fighting weight up from these.

From what I've been reading the multilines tend to be up at about 10A. Correct? The PSU I have is only good for 8A but maybe the 115Vs are different. This may not be good news for you MarioMaster but it's still a long way from definitive.

Diachi has been a great help on the first steps but I don't want to be a burden so can you answer 2 quick questions? It's noob I know but here goes... Is the filament supposed to be lit constantly or just at startup? And... If alignment is out but the tube has struck, is an extended run time still beneficial to lower pressure? I have one of these heads that outputs a large diameter but weak lavender light, much like a BR diode without lens. It will give a spot while applying light persuasion to the outer case so I think it's a mirror alignment issue as this brief percussive maintenance knocks a nice lase out of it.

Thanks,

M


P.S. I realise I'm hijacking my own thread so I may go post elsewhere for similar questions. Just be prepared for noobie stuff. I apologise in advance!

 

[aryntha]

That'd be mirror alignment all right! If you can get it to lase with light pressure on the case, there is certainly hope for that laser. Sam's Laser Faq has some guides on carefully aligning the mirror necks but they carry high and potentially lethal voltages - so be careful, and use something plastic. Don't throw out any heads that show a spot - even if it takes pressure on the case! With adjustment/locking collars and some alignment those lasers may become perfectly serviceable.

Running the tubes for an extended time will be beneficial whether it's lasing or not. So long as an arc forms. You can always try aligning later, and its possible that after some runtime the laser may creep up from 0mA and start lasing. Make sure you've got a fan on them!

The filament should always be lit. If the power supply is on, usually, with these, the filament will be lit.

Some of those heads may not be more bright than idle, or may not lase at all at 8mA. The 2214 supplies I have go up to 12mA, and I usually run the lasers at 10mA. Some of the ones that you say are doing idle only may perform well on another supply.

 

[Morgan]

Cool. That's eased my mind a little. Mirror tweaking is the next skill I will have to learn then. Other than the one of being patient while they eventually strike!

On the, "dead", tube issue. What is a fair offer for a dead tube? I doubt they are all totally dead but equally, I don't want to gain a large amount of tubes for people and end up with junk. This is probably a largely subjective matter but they've got to be worth saving too haven't they? 50 of them remember! Probably all single line but good starter material.

M


(Logging off till later in the week but I'll be back soon...)

 

[Morgan]

:bumpit:Bump...

The model number of the 115V PSUs is: 2101-10SLSC

So if anyone can answer MarioMaster's question as to whether this can run a C/U 2214-40MLA head then we'd appreciate it.

thanks,

M

 

[aryntha]

The 2101-10SLS would be designed for a 10mW head; you'd be trying to run a 40mW head on it.. (JDSU does 'part specify' the emission line on the power supplies but it really doesn't matter. I doubt the power supply knows or cares what wavelength its putting out.) That said, often the supplies across power ranges really are just the same. I run my 2214-30xL heads off of a 2112-20xL supply with no problem. (I believe my 2112 puts out 12mA; the 2101 may put out 8mA or 10mA) ... But a 10mW rated supply on a 40mW head is a bit of a jump.

So the 2101-10SLS may be too small, but you probably wont hurt anything by trying it.. (It _is_ a smaller supply; From what I can tell the input on that is 17a@115v where the proper supply is 20a@115v; output probably corresponds -- specs on the 2101 series seem to be slim pickings out on the web.)

The appropriate power supply for that head would be a 2110U-xLS, 2110B-xLS or perhaps a 2112x-40MLS or 2111x-40MLHCH (Jealous if you have a 2214-40ML head... dammit ) - but, again, you probably won't hurt the head by trying it. It just may not run at full output on the 2101.

I'll look for more info on the 2101-10SLSX, but from what I can tell it's a smaller supply than what the 2214-40ML may ask for.

Someone like LSRFAQ would probably be a lot better at answering this than I would; but I wanted to at least provide what I could since you bumped the thread.

 

[Morgan]

The 2101-10SLS would be designed for a 10mW head; you'd be trying to run a 40mW head on it.. (JDSU does 'part specify' the emission line on the power supplies but it really doesn't matter. I doubt the power supply knows or cares what wavelength its putting out.) That said, often the supplies across power ranges really are just the same. I run my 2214-30xL heads off of a 2112-20xL supply with no problem. (I believe my 2112 puts out 12mA; the 2101 may put out 8mA or 10mA) ... But a 10mW rated supply on a 40mW head is a bit of a jump.

So the 2101-10SLS may be too small, but you probably wont hurt anything by trying it.. (It _is_ a smaller supply; From what I can tell the input on that is 17a@115v where the proper supply is 20a@115v; output probably corresponds -- specs on the 2101 series seem to be slim pickings out on the web.)

The appropriate power supply for that head would be a 2110U-xLS, 2110B-xLS or perhaps a 2112x-40MLS or 2111x-40MLHCH (Jealous if you have a 2214-40ML head... dammit ) - but, again, you probably won't hurt the head by trying it. It just may not run at full output on the 2101.

I'll look for more info on the 2101-10SLSX, but from what I can tell it's a smaller supply than what the 2214-40ML may ask for.

Someone like LSRFAQ would probably be a lot better at answering this than I would; but I wanted to at least provide what I could since you bumped the thread.

Thanks for that Aryntha.

17A @ 115V works out as 8.5A @ 230 so when they're quoting 8A that is close enough for the UK ones. I think my maths is right here.

No need to be jealous, there are no 2214-40ML heads in this lot at all. Just the single line 10mW ones. Although most seem to be putting out circa 20mW, but from the list you supplied earlier that 10mW is a rating at the end of life so 20mW is a good sign.

It's MarioMaster who may be interested in the 115V ones so the bump with the model number was for his benefit. Not sure if they're going to be good for him but we'll see. Someone else may know more but thanks for helping us so far.

I'll be in touch with the guy who has the PSUs and other stuff later this week so I'll see if anything else is up for grabs.

M