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College Conspiracy.

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Watch this. A little bit "self promoting" for lack of better words, but it certainly drives home some good points. YouTube - ‪College Conspiracy‬‏

Describes pretty much the reasons I don't plan on attending college. The ability to daydream, innovate and think for yourself will take you farther than any college degree and thousands in debt could ever hope to.
 
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I'm currently attending UPENN, sometimes referred to as PENN. The tuition for me is very affordable, although I am not permitted to say exactly, it's between $11,044 and $11,046 per year. Now, yes, that is dirt compared to what others pay, but I worked my fingers raw for that.

Now I don't mean to gloat, but this is a rather prestigious college. It sounds great, as the video states that the average is $27,000 per year. These may look great against one another, but I'll be hanging around campus for 18 years. I've been attending for 5 years now and have just got my first job. I have my debt, yeah, haven't paid a penny back, but I knew going to college that I WOULD get a good job as soon as I had an adequate education. And I DID.

Now these colleges are talking about all the colleges, but do you know where MOST people go to college? Community college. Truth is, these colleges aren't going to be worth it, really. State college, private college... most of these places will turn out best for the student. As in the movie, at 23:30, he says most degrees are worthless. Exactly. Now many things are worth it, but a lot of people would rather breese through college and take an easy major just so they can say "ooh I went to xyz state" but when somebody asks what they majored it, philosophy doesn't show any brightness at all.

Problem: People go to college when they shouldn't.
Solution: Everybody be smarter.

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I couldn't watch more than five minutes.

"They have no interest in helping their students."
"Are taught that they have no chance of success"
"You have to have a certain kind of brain to understand the dead language that they write in textbooks."
"They brainwash you"
"no freedom"
"You don't know how to think"
"inflation has made it impossible"
"You're not even gonna get a job."

Language that sensational is seldom credible.
 
grenadier said:
Watch this. A little bit "self promoting" for lack of better words, but it certainly drives home some good points. YouTube - ‪College Conspiracy‬‏

Describes pretty much the reasons I don't plan on attending college. The ability to daydream, innovate and think for yourself will take you farther than any college degree and thousands in debt could ever hope to.
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If you have powers of innovation, and can think for yourself, then you wont be prone to all the things listed in that video.

Collage is a good thing. You learn stuff that you would normally be to lazy to learn on your own. You dont need to go to a top rated collage, but education, is education. The best thing about collage is you can tailor it to your needs. Focus on the stuff you want to learn. You can always get a "general studies" degree, and pick the class you want. There are none of those topics in that video that are set in stone. And if you have those 2 traits you listed above, then you will even have a better time.

Not including the women, and social networking. Those two reasons alone are enough to join.

If you have the opportunity to get into a collage, then you'd be a fool not to go. I went, and failed, but have no regrets. I met tons of girls, made new friends, and brought my art skills to a level I never thought it could go.
 
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^ Agree completely with TJ here. Everything you do is only as good as the effort you put into it. Going to college and expecting teachers to force stuff into your brains isn't how it works, you have to actively participate yourself (by wanting to learn) before you'll get anywhere.

Self learning is key with a lot of things :)
 
I actually shouldnt say failed, because I had a 3.75 grade average. I screwed up with my credits. Because I was in the art field I only needed 1 math credit. That put me short a credit at the end. So I had to take a double credit Anatomy class to get the credit I was missing. To be honest it was to hard for me. I withdrew 3 times, starting over every time. In the end it would of taken me 4 years for a 2 year degree. In the art field they hire you by your level of talent, not what your degree is. I had taken all my art classes, so in my mind there was no logic in spending 4 years for stuff I didnt need to know, so I bailed.
 
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I left high school really proficient at programming and knowing exactly what I wanted to do with my life, yet I went to college.

What has college given me?

Well, opportunities. It's not about getting a "good" education, or "investing" in college so that you make more money or are successful. It's about making connections, and meeting people, and learning more about yourself.

I'll be working with friends of mine in biology, computer modeling a cell they're designing in the iGEM competition. I've gotten the chance to have lunch with computer engineers and people who have been in photonics research for 30 years. I've gotten the chance to do so much cool interdisciplinary stuff that I would have never otherwise gotten the chance to do. And I'm only halfway through.

I'm taking a bunch of computer science and computer engineering classes with absolutely no intention of double majoring or even minoring in either field; I just have the opportunity to learn more about my discipline from esteemed people in the field - why would I not take that opportunity?

College is a fantastic opportunity to meet interesting people and do interesting things, and maybe build a career out of what you learn. Or not.

For me, college is all about becoming a more interesting person. The University Honors unofficial motto is "make yourself interesting." College gives you an incredible opportunity to live that motto to its fullest - I would think long and hard before you decide not to go.

-Trevor

EDIT: Let me add one more thing. I spend far less time on schoolwork that my friends - but I probably spend twice the time working that they do. I'm always working on something. Some cool project to learn more about something. That's what I think college is about... not just having your nose to the grindstone in coursework.
 
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Collage is nothing like high school either. In high school you have to go, and learn what is presented to you. With collage you're there for your self, you pick what you want to learn, and the level you want to go. The teachers treat you as an equal. Unlike high school, where they talk down at you most of the time.

Like with everything else in life, its what you make of it. You are in the control seat the whole way.
 
I went to my college because I was guaranteed a job after sufficient training, and look the conspiracy was a bust because they went through. You and rashard mendenhall can go on about all you want, but I think that college is definitely worth it.
 
Trevor said:
What has college given me?

Well, opportunities. It's not about getting a "good" education, or "investing" in college so that you make more money or are successful. It's about making connections, and meeting people, and learning more about yourself.
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Bingo.

6 years of university in, with 1 more to go, and I'm quite comfortable admitting that it's 10% about what you learn, and 90% about the connections that you make, and the opportunities that will only open up if you have that schooling on paper. This is frustrating in principal, but it works in reality.

You CAN be a huge success without university education. But you can also be a successful musician without musical training, run a marathon without a running coach, and get a mortgage without a steady job.
- It's just harder, and most of the time it's a lot more of a struggle, with lots more uncertainty and luck factoring in.

There are numerous examples of successful people who left high-school and have no college experience. We're all familiar with those examples, because they're so impressive that they get talked about. Sometimes it's easy to forget that for every Bill Gates who dropped out of college, and for every "family friend" who started a business straight out of high-school and now drives a Porsche, there are a hundred people whose success came after completing a degree, and a hundred people without degrees who aren't having much luck at all.

Side Note 1: Why does everyone in the US seem to go to College instead of University? Do you just not have many Universities per capita? College is sort of looked down on in Canada (at least relative to University), but in the US I always hear people talking about going to College.

Side Note 2: Fenzir, what on earth are you studying that requires 18 years on campus??? Undergrad (4) + Masters (2) + PHD (2) + Med School (3) = 13... and that's the most ridiculous drawn-out education plan I could think of!

EDIT: Maybe I should have studied MATH in University, because 4+2+2+3 clearly equals 11, not 13 ;)
 
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Most people call it "going to college", even if they're attending a university. I just call it school, myself.
 
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Cyparagon said:
Most people call it "going to college", even if they're attending a university. I just call it school, myself.
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Interesting. That clears a lot up (even though it doesn't make any sense to me).

In Canada, college is where you would go to get a diploma, university is where you would go to get a degree.

So for example, if you were going to the University of Toronto, you would never tell someone that you were going to college.

In the US, if you were going to, say, Harvard University, would you still say that you were going to college?
 
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In the US, if you were going to, say, Harvard University, would you still say that you were going to college?
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No, you would just say you were going to Harvard. In most cases you would just name the university.
 
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If you can afford it, do it. If you're brilliant, you go for free. I owe some money, but I feel that the experience has been invaluable, If you can go and you don't, it would seem as if you're cheating yourself out of a once in a lifetime thing. You're only 18-22 once!
 
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