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Canadian restrictions on portable lasers (Official info release from Laserglow)

The word consolidation is CLEARLY in the document. It outlines everything about the new regulations. Current to March 6, 2012.

Read it please. It explains all.
 





InfinitusEquitas said:
Those resources would be much better spent working with customs in order to prevent the lasers from ever making it into the country in the first place.
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These days Canadian government is laying off many federal employees, thus others will start to work or at least to show that they work :crackup:

It could be that Laserglow got on their radars after several dumbasses torched planes and helicopters.
 
I have talked with health canada by email over the last day because of what i read here, and what they had to say was that if you are just a person living in canada and not someone who owns a biz trying to sell lasers the area of law they have is here
Hand-held lasers or laser pointers may cause serious vision damage if used improperly - Health Canada Advisory 2011-07-26

notice in this link they clearly say
"Handheld lasers designated as Classes 3B and 4 should not be used as laser pointers or in any other application unless operated by individuals who have been professionally trained in laser safety"

feel free to contact health Canada at the following info
Health Canada | Santé Canada
Ottawa, Canada K1A 0K9
info@hc-sc.gc.ca
Telephone | Téléphone 613-957-2991 / Toll free | Sans frais 1 866-225-0709 /
Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-941-5366 / Teletypewriter | Téléimprimeur 1 800-267-1245
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada

to me this means that if i want to buy or import a laser for my self under the canadian law i am allowed to do so, as long as they have all the right markings and class on the laser ,
 
devilchild89 said:
to me this means that if i want to buy or import a laser for my self under the canadian law i am allowed to do so, as long as they have all the right markings and class on the laser ,
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This is most certainly not true. Customs will seize high-powered portable lasers upon import (if they find it), and any company which sells one to you domestically is in violation of the CCPSA and they can be subject to fines or imprisonment.
 
"means any unreasonable hazard"

I would argue that the hazard of a 2W 445nm is NOT unreasonable. I would argue that the hazard of a 2W 445nm is perfectly reasonable and therefore not subject to this BS.

As broad as that thing is, any consumer product in the hands of someone with an IQ < 80 would be hazardous. Hammers, chain saws, sharp pencils, knives.....it's just stupid .gov BS and somebody somewhere is going to have to stand up to it.

Glenn
 
GAtkins said:
"means any unreasonable hazard"

I would argue that the hazard of a 2W 445nm is NOT unreasonable. I would argue that the hazard of a 2W 445nm is perfectly reasonable and therefore not subject to this BS.

As broad as that thing is, any consumer product in the hands of someone with an IQ < 80 would be hazardous. Hammers, chain saws, sharp pencils, knives.....it's just stupid .gov BS and somebody somewhere is going to have to stand up to it.

Glenn
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Right, but are you willing and capable of hiring a lawyer and appearing in court to argue your case, so that you can get your laser out of customs? Court fees alone would discourage, not to mention most folks hate going to court, even when they are not on the defensive.
 
here is the last update i just got and also called and confermed

Thank you for your email inquiry of April 5h 2012, regarding regulatory requirements for laser products sold in Canada.

Health Canada’s Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection Bureau (CCRPB) is responsible for the regulation of radiation emitting devices that are sold, leased or imported into Canada under the Radiation Emitting Devices (RED) Act and companion regulations. All radiation emitting devices, including laser devices, must meet the general provisions, Sections 4, 5 and 6 of the RED Act respecting prohibition, deception and notification. A laser product that is modified and sold is also subject to the RED Act.

Although, for the time being, there are no specific RED Regulations for laser devices. Please be advised that a hand-held laser product intended to be sold to individuals could be stopped at Canada Customs should the device emit more than 5 mW of optical power or if it is classified as a Class 3B or 4 laser product according to IEC-60825-1 or FDA 21CFR1040.10 standards. The device may be seized by Health Canada and detained for such time as is necessary to ascertain whether the device complies with the general provisions of the RED Act. In a case where non-compliance is identified, appropriate actions will be taken under the RED Act.

Please note that CCRPB cannot provide a pre-market assessment (i.e. testing) or certification of compliance for your product. Under the RED Act, it is incumbent upon the manufacturer, importer or distributor to ensure that their product complies with the applicable requirements prior to sale, lease, distribution or importation into Canada. This may be done either in-house or by a third party. It is recommended that you retain a copy of all relevant regulatory compliance evaluation documentation.

Some helpful links:

RED Act: Radiation Emitting Devices Act

Health Canada advisory “Hand-Held Lasers or Laser Pointers May Cause Serious Vision Damage If Used Improperly”: Hand-held lasers or laser pointers may cause serious vision damage if used improperly - Health Canada Advisory 2011-07-26


We hope that you find this information helpful


Consumer & Clinical Radiation Protection Bureau

Bureau de la protection contre les rayonnements des produits cliniques et de consommation

Health Canada / Santé Canada

Thanks,



people can import lasers into canada atlest in On my health canada office say's i'm clear to do so
 
Thanks for posting this.

devilchild89 said:
Please be advised that a hand-held laser product intended to be sold to individuals could be stopped at Canada Customs should the device emit more than 5 mW of optical power or if it is classified as a Class 3B or 4 laser product according to IEC-60825-1 or FDA 21CFR1040.10 standards.
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Does this mean that lab lasers are not allowed either? Since it says handhelds over 5mW OR if it is classified as 3b or 4. I'm confused now.




devilchild89 said:
people can import lasers into canada atlest in On my health canada office say's i'm clear to do so
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What do you mean? It says in the letter to you that you can't import anything that is over 5mW that is handheld, or if it is class 3b or 4. Just confused by your last comments. Can you edit that so it's more clear?
 
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no it says they can seized by Health Canada and detained for such time as is necessary to ascertain whether the device complies with the general provisions of the RED Act. In a case where non-compliance is identified, appropriate actions will be taken under the RED Act

but as explaned to be by health canada over the phone and if you can show that the laser has a safty key, and that you have the ablity to keep it safe and not use it in a public place they can allow the import of said laser. if the laser has flase labling and such they will distory it if they deside to
 
No, not at all, but it will eventually come to that I think.

The .gov knows that not many people are, so they make "interpretations" from their cubes and just keep pushing.

Glenn

Sigurthr said:
Right, but are you willing and capable of hiring a lawyer and appearing in court to argue your case, so that you can get your laser out of customs? Court fees alone would discourage, not to mention most folks hate going to court, even when they are not on the defensive.
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"Although, for the time being, there are no specific RED Regulations for laser devices."

Does this mean that they don't actually have any regulations and are just trying to throw their weight around or what?

Glenn
 
Justin said:
lazeristasUVISIR: There is no specific list of affected products. As somebody else posted here, it's more of a change in their interpretation. Also, the Act is new as of June 2011 but Health Canada only informed us of it a few weeks ago. They came to visit Laserglow, explained the Act and their interpretation of it, inspected our products, and made recommendations for compliance policies that we could implement. They were very understanding about the fact that the Act was not publicized well and we should not be expected to know about it, but since they took the time to visit us we can no longer claim ignorance.

Seoul_lasers: Once again, I'm not giving you MY interpretation of the Act. I am passing along what Health Canada told me directly, in person, during a lengthy meeting. They were very clear with us. If you think that you know better, I invite you to contact Health Canada directly, and discuss with them the CCPSA as it pertains to portable lasers. If anything that they tell you contradicts what I have said here, I'd be most interested to hear about it.
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Yes, I agree with you Justin, you've made you're point. You are passing along info that health Canada has informed you about AS a company and your responsibility as a company.
When I read the legislation(S)... there are several publications/documents that back up/support the RED act, it's clear that there is room for interpretation for import and export of laser devices as long as they adhere to Health Canada standards. Several people have already found this in the up to date c. 21 and c.1370
I phoned Health Canada too and I have yet to hear back from them. I had quite a lengthy discussion with their call staff. It was a pleasant exchange.
c. 21 is the LEGAL interpretation of the RED act. c.1370 defines terms used to describe items in the RED.
I will share with you what health Canada replies back with about SPECIFICALLY laser enthusiasts whom build IIIB and IV laser devices.

SO, Trevor, I am NOT doubting what you said.
You can reverse the neg rep as well.
Thanks. I will do so to you as well.
 
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