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WannaBurn:

I wasn't referring to you at all. In my book I make it clear that you need to see a dentist to rule out infection, decay, cracked fillings, etc... They need to be covered first. Once you have been cleared, it is safe to try.

No, nothing is a cure-all, but this does work. Sometimes very little, sometimes a lot. Regarding chronic pain, which I deal with for a living: I believe it is better to take ibuprofen or the like for chronic problems. It is not perfect, but it does help. My experience has shown me that the body can heal around many things in time, if the aggravating factor is removed. However, if the problem is hidden by pain pills, how can the body find the problem to heal it? The alarms are gone. I realize that this may be unsympathetic, but if the alternative is opiate addiction, who can say what's better? Also, those who chronically take opiods for pain lose their ability to withstand pain. Their pain tolerance goes down.

I should also mention that anything I talk about online should not be tried without some laser therapy textbook. There are plenty of good ones out there besides mine.

You have been banged up pretty badly. On someone like you, the laser would likely help the soft-tissue pains, but not the arthritis. In spite of the research, I have found that low level laser therapy of plain old osteoarthritis usually causes a flare-up, with no residual benefits. However, it is wonderful for rheumatoid arthritis. These people are stuck with prednisone and methotrexate, a chemotherapy drug.
They respond within a few days of the first treatment with increased mobility and less pain.
 





Ok, here goes...

"Those who have not read a laser therapy book. It's very easy to point fingers, even if someone has no knowledge but hate and blame."

---That's because I am not in a science fiction reading mood at the moment. And I do not hate you for promoting this "miracle cure" nor do I blame you. You make money when someone buys your book, and probably earn money for plugging other people's books.

"A person can ward off a root canal, if there is no decay or infection."

---Well, medical dictionaries take care of that oxymoronic statement. Here is a quick reason why root canal therapy (or simply root canal) is done in the first place"

A root canal is done if you have an INFECTION that affects the nerve in the root of a tooth. Generally, there is pain and swelling in the area. The infection can be the result of a tooth crack, cavity, or injury.

A root canal can save your tooth. Without treatment, the tooth may become so damaged that it must be removed.

---If there wasn't any decay or infection, there would be no reason for a root canal in the first place.

I recently had a root canal done about 2 months ago. My mouth was so swollen and the area was so infected, that I had to be on extra strength vicodin (the 800mg ibuprofen worked a hell of a lot better for me though) and strong antibiotics for a week straight before they did the actual procedure. My dentist tried 2 different kinds of numbing agent shots, in a good amount of doses, and they didn't numb it one bit. It was that bad. After the antibiotics and the ibuprofen helped bring the swelling down to zero, the procedure was performed without a hitch.

There is not a single part of that story I told where a laser would helped my condition. When I noticed the pain, the swelling was already there.

Medication > Low Level Laser Therapy.
 
Lotus_Darkrose:

Thanks for the clarification. I am sorry, but I will have an answer for just about anything. When I was in the US AirForce, I was the sole dental surgery tech, before I went on to run the x-ray department at age 20. I know exactly what you are saying. Prior to my first root canal a few years ago, I always thought the same thing: they are brought about by infection/abcess. However, I had no infection, cracked filling, or abcess. What my dentist told me is that the pulp can be poisoned over time by the amalgam or composite filling, which I had. Well, the following year the "mirror" tooth to the one that had the root canal started up. It is not difficult to diagnose. I thought, "OK, here we go again". However, having been learning more about coherent light, I gave it a shot. The pain was gone the next day. Since I was dealing with a possible infection, if it had not worked, I would have seen my dentist right away. It kicks up every 4 months or so, I guess. I laser it, and it's gone. Actually, it seems to be happening less and less. We now know that the pulp of the teeth are a source of stem cells. There are plenty of resources for the teeth to heal. My mother, who has had about 12 root canals, started up with a new one. She lasered it. Gone the next day. I am not blowing smoke. Anyone should consult with their doctor or dentist if they are going to do any of this, because of the danger of infection, or cracked fillings. However, if it is the first sign of pain, I am going to have to wait for my dental appointment anyway, so I will usually give it a try. It's been good to me.
 
You can wave a "wooden stick" over someone's head and tell them it will
cure their ailment...
If the subject believes it WILL cure them... then it probably could....

But the "miracle cure" does not come from the "wooden stick"... it comes
from what's between the ears of the subject... IMHO..

Just because the stick is replaced by something more high tech...makes no
difference... IMO

It is the 5mW Laser cure claims that seem to blow this out of the water... If it was
that certain then the Laser Therapy business would be booming since 1960..
I don't see it here.... and I live near one of the major cities in Canada...
Granted... there is a sporadic laser therapy business cropping up once in a
while... but are soon gone..

I guess it's buyer beware even in the medical field...

BTW who is Rush Limbaugh... :-? :-?


Jerry
 
Great statement, Jerry. Just like in Penn & Teller's Show. They put up a stand in a mall and do some magnet therapy with a control magnet. People say they can feel the magnets and it feels good and helps with minor pains. The people they tested their magnets on also said they could notice a big feeling from their giant magnet. Which was a 6-8 foot aluminum square tube bent and painted to look like a magnet.
 
Yeah... I saw that one when they did it on their "Bullshit" show....

I would tend to believe them a lot more than the guys trying to sell
the magnets... It seems to depend on who has something to gain... ::)

Jerry
 
Hello again,

I am glad there is such a great discussion going on here. It was probably a mistake to call it a modern "miracle". I was just trying to get someone's attention. I am 54 years old, and I am a Mensan. Big deal, right? I have also been a student of a Course in Miracles for 25 years, and believe me, I want to go to heaven. I wouldn't be making these claims unless I believed them.

I regard placebo healing to be the highest level of healing. After all, with placebo healing it was the mind/spitit that fixed it, and that's what we are all looking for, isn't it? It's hard to convince cells in a petre dish, though.

What anyone here needs to decide is if the writer is fooling himself. Maybe most the patients who have told me, from the beginning, that they improved were fooled too. Maybe. I obviously don't believe that. Maybe the thousands of PhD's, MD's, DDS's, DMD's, and other scientists around the world have fooled themselves for over 30 years and 2400 + research papers. Maybe the Russians (light therapy of the blood,) have been wrong for 80 years. I appreciate skeptism without insult, because I am staking my reputation, (small as it is,) on this.

This year they are having the 10th annual NAALT conference in San Fransisco. North American Association for Laser Therapy.

I don't think they have that for magnets.

Yes, there are negative studies regarding low level laser therapy, but I have found big errors in the few I have looked at. Of course I am biased.
 
If you want to believe, put a JayRob 405 lens assembly in front of a SenKat AW210 diode at only 240 mA.
You WILL feel the warmth of the lord  ;D  WOW

Mike
 
;D Got your fingers huh Mike?

I burnt my fingers too the first time I installed one! ;D

You learn quick to be really careful with the focusing...
Jay
 
Lotus_Darkrose:

This has been quite a learning experience for me. I have done just one radio interview, and it went smoothly. This is the first time I have had a good conversation on a message board about this, and I can see I have a pretty big hill to climb. This does help me prepare for people calling in with tough, skeptical questions.

You have taken a stand, and that means that you are bound to debate anything said on my end. That's the way it works, and I don't expect to convince someone who has taken a stand. That's OK, because you are doing exactly what medical science does, and should do. They are the guardians of the medical model, which is based on scientific skepticism. Medical science has done a wonderful job of clearing most nonsense from the healing arts. Medical science annihilated superstition from the healing arts. I don't blame medical doctors for ignoring this for now, because it hasn't come down the "scientific muster" pipeline. A scientist is a professional skeptic. They are all doing their jobs. The problem is that money often drives this, and a pharmaceutical company would rather research a normally priced pill you need to take every day, than a $100 pill that you only take once. Medical science got rid of Vitalism, as well.

There are many tools left out of your doctor's bag, not because they are bad, or don't work. It is because they don't fit the medical model.

My argument is this: If something is proven to be safe when used as directed, has been passed throught the FDA for a number of ailments (and that is expensive and difficult,) for things like carpal tunnel syndrome, hair restoration, muscle pain, (and more in the pipeline,) then it is foolish to not try it.
If there are dangers, (and there are,) then a person needs to study something. Someone on this board thought I was making money from selling other laser textbooks. On my website and blog, I do have an Amazon carosel which displays a number of laser therapy textbooks. The only reason I have it there is so that visitors can see I am not the only one talking about this. If someone were to click on the carosel and buy one of the other textbooks, I receive a whole 4%! Wow! Ain't that just great! I have yet to see someone order, and that's not the point. Yes, I am just coming out with my book Rejuvenation, and yes, I will promote it. But the primary motivation is to have this technology replace pills and surgery and who knows what else. Maybe it will replace only 10% of the pills someone takes, maybe 90%. Low level laser therapy is not a magic bullet, but I have to "sell the sizzle, not the steak", or so I am told. Surgery can be avoided: carpal tunnel syndrome, rotator cuff problems, and others. Will it work on every one? No. I give very low doses in my book for safety's sake, and for that reason I am decreasing the chances for effectiveness. But that isn't as important as the ones who will still experience improvement. They will tell their doctors and others.

[highlight]One thing that I must say is don't do any of this without a guide or study! In my book, which is really meant for baby boomers, I say that if you are under 21, you should not do this. This should never be used on anyone but yourself. The superficial problems like bursitis and tendinitis are safe enough, but when it comes to glands and organs, this can be high risk. [/highlight] Don't just think you can start lasering yourself because I said it is safe. It is only safe when used as directed or advised. Glands may become "burnt-out". Lasering a new injury entails risk of too much scar tissue building up. I stick to chronic conditions in my book.

Even though it is probable that I won't convince you, and a few others here, I appreciate the opportunity have this discussion.
 
Firstly, stop calling anyone who doesn't buy into this Low Level Laser Therapy a skeptic. And by the way you talk about scientists, I doubt this even more.

"medical model, which is based on scientific skepticism"
"A scientist is a professional skeptic."

And do not try to even think about evaluating my behavior. I will leave that to professionals.
"You have taken a stand, and that means that you are bound to debate anything said on my end"

"Surgery can be avoided"
Your so called miracle cure can also be avoided.
 
I just answered a member who sent a private message to me with questions.

He appeared to be afraid to come out in the open about this on this board.

If anyone else is interested in pursuing this fascinating subject further, without fear of being made to look foolish for simply looking at this, or studying, please visit my blog: http://thedelreprotocols.com

My website also gives information: http://rejuvenationlight.com
 
Hi, I just read your book and found it jolly interesting and highly. Interesting.
I was interested in buying a laser for both pain and skin care.
I bought the sl50 cluster laser but think I need something stronger mabe the 100 me you talk of.
Could you please advise me and tell me where is the best place to purchase,many thanks, aching in Seattle
 
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