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Variable PSU Problem (solved, Thks)

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Some of you might have read some of my posts about my Variable PSU for He-Ne's kicking the bucket:yabbem:. After Long conversations with HemlockMike and others,:thanks: we found out that replacing the output transistors were out of the question.

Long story short, the outputs are not available and nothing crosses-over to them. (LKB Instruments proprietary components)

So, I gave up on that one and bought a new one.-Fisher/Biotech FB600-- 0-4k@0-200mA.

Now the problem with this one is; it has a safety interlock built-in where it has to detect at least 40M ohm at the ends of the HV cables in order to switch on the HV.

So when I fire it up hooked up to a He-Ne tube it won't "latch" and start the HV output. I checked the He-Ne tube(s) (3 or 4 of them) and they measure Open

I use a Piezo-electric starter circuit as described by Sam Goldwasser to provide the start-up spike.

The tube produces a bright flash down the bore ever time I push the button on the PEC.

Even with using the starter circuit the PSU will not start-up the HV.(there is still no resistance produced to trigger the interlock)

I know the PSU is working fine. If I clip two nail to the HV leads and put the tips of the nails in a glass of plain water (no salt) the PSU will "latch" and start producing HV. (and lots of pretty bubbles):beer:

My question is; How can I make the PSU "see" at least 40M ohms across the tube to make it "latch"?
I thought about putting a 40M resistor across the anode and cathode,but have no idea what that would do to the tube.
I don't think it would hurt the PSU. 40M ohm would not pull up the amperage anywhere close to 200mA even with the 4.5mA (+-) the tube would draw.
But would it keep the tube from starting? I have read (almost) all of Sam's Faq,s and looked for hours online. Of course nothing at all about this problem.

If any one has any suggestions of a course of action I would be very grateful. I don't want to jump blindly into this and possibly ruin a good tube. Or cause a melt-down or fire or a tear in the fabric of time LOL:crackup:
Thanks! Mark
 
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Re: Variable PSU Problem

Strange, I can't light my HeNe tube with a piezoelectric ignitor, but maybe mine is too small. What value are you using for a ballast resistor?
 
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Re: Variable PSU Problem

Strange, I can't light my HeNe tube with a piezoelectric ignitor, but maybe mine is too small. What value are you using for a ballast resistor?
75k 4W
Did you build the charge pump shown on Sam's Faq's? If it is a small piezo you will need it.
I made mine out of a BIG gas grill ignitor . It will produce a 1"-2" long spark. Lights all my tubes on 1 push. (until my PSU fried that is):yabbmad: I'll be happy again:wave: if I can just figure out this PSU interlock problem.
Fought with the old PSU for 2 months, gave up, bought a new one, thought my problems were over but Nooo! I have to figure this interlock problem out, Variable HV PSU's are not cheap!!!
Anybody have any ideas? :bowdown:
 
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Re: Variable PSU Problem

math time

E/R = I

4x10^3 / 40 x10^6 = .001 Amp

P=IE

4x10^3 x .001 = 4

4 watts So you need 40 megs at 4 watts. Thats a little unreasonable considering few of your henes will run at 4 KV, more like 1400 to 2600 V, so try four 10 Meg 2 watt fireproof ceramic resistors in series.

Digikey has a SLIM-MOX that might do, but its a bank breaking price.

Steve
 
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Thank for the help LSRFAQ. I'll try that as soon as I get home.:thanks:
 
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Re: Variable PSU Problem

Yes a 40 meg ohm across the tube should not hurt anything, just get one that can take the power it will be reciving, or a series string would be the cheapest way to go to reach your power requirement.
Pyro...
 
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Thanks everbody!
I tried the 40Mohm resistors (could only find 1/8W ones)

It worked (latched)
It did vaporize the resistors although.:eg: I bought plenty,they're cheap!
I'll order some 2W fireproof ones as soon as possible. They're not cheap!
 




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