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The State of AwesomeLasers

Hello all. I've actualy purchased a laser from this company ( ducks and waits for rocks ). And let me tell you it made me reconsider getting into this hobbly. I ordered a cobalt 2000 on the 14th for feb 2011 ( yes I did talk to the dreaded Dave, I clearly didn't do enough reseach on the company )

I ordered a cobalt 2000 and also wanted to get an extender tube and and extra battery and charger, I found it odd but he talked me out of getting the tube and batteries, I wondered why a salesman would talk me out of a sale, this should of been a red flag but i missed it.I was told it took 4 to 5 weeks for delivery and i would get and email with tracking # 3-4 days before shipping.

At 4 and a half weeks no email, I called. Dave told me that they were shipping millitiary orders first and my was to be shipped soon. a week later still no email, I called again. Dave now tells me that there is a problem with the lens. Axiz changed the lens because wicked lasers wanted a differnt lens and since they are their majior buyer they changed them all, I said whatever ( that sounded like BS to me).

On the 39th day after ordering I still had not got an email. I called yet again. This time it was Ian and he told me Dave had a heart attack and yada, yada, yada, BS,BS,BS He'ed mail it out soon. While I had Ian I asked him a few questions. I asked why does the site say it's only a max of 1800mw when it's ad's as a 2w? He said they can't put actual power on the site due to legal reasons. I ask so what is it really? He said it's at lest 2.1 watts and the temp of the dot at 10 feet was 1000 deg.

After the call since it was the 39th day I filed a claim with pay pal. 9 day later I get a call from Ian asking me to lift my claim and he couldn't take orders till I lifted it, I told him to mail it to me and I would. He was happy and said he'ed give me some free extras from my wait. I asked for that extender tube I tried to buy and some batteries, he asked me if i had a gun and i said no, and he started talking about a gun mount, I said i didn't need it , again no gun.

He overnighted it to me, I dropped the claim. I opened the box, the laser and normal stuff was there, even the tube i asked for, but no extra batteries or charger like we talked about, but there was a gun mount lol.

I was like o-well no batteries, i can get those elsewhere, I ordered them from dino, didn't want to deal with awesome laser anymore.I thought this was the end of the story, but it wasn't...

3 weeks later i got my batteries, put the tube on and clicked the end and .... NOTHING... I was like ??? On the site when i ordered it they said it could that up to 9 bat's , it was now changed to 6 but mine only took 2... I called them back and couldn't get Ian but talked to Nichole and she said he'd call me back. waited days nothing. Called again. Was told to talk to tom thier engener. So I did and I asked about why mine didn't work right. He said he told them about how he was going to add that feature in the furture but they added it early and blah. I asked about why Ian told me it was a 2.1w and mine said 1842mw, he basicaly said Ian lied to me about the temp and output, I wasn't happy. He said I should get a new unit and they would email/call me. a week later nothing. I called again and was told there was a FDA problem and they couldn't mail units but I was to get a replacement asap and they would mail me a return box with the new laser.

Weeks later and many calls later nothing. many promices for a return call or email nothing. I can't even count how many times i called and how many differnt excusses I was given.In may i was sick of it. This time I was told I couldn't get my laser till i mailed the first back. I said are you nuts? I've been told a billion differnt stories of bs, I can't trust you, I've done everything I've said i was going to do, you haven't, you even said you'd mail it. he said he couldn't due to policy, and I said niether can I it's agaist my policy against getting messed over.
I told him Ian was lying to people, I refered to mw's and temp vs what the site says and what my paper says. He asked my what I tested it on. I said I didn't test it, I'm going by what the site and my paper said, he asked, what did you test it on. After talking in a circle for 4 or 5 times i said " Are you listening to the words coming out of my mouth? LISTEN TO ME." he had nothing to say

.Anyways I washed my hands of them.I'll NEVER get anything from them, you can if you want but read this post! IT was insane, never been talked to in my 34 yrs on this planet like that.
 
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Xenophobe said:
Hello all. I've actualy purchased a laser from this company ( ducks and waits for rocks ). And let me tell you it made me reconsider getting into this hobbly. I ordered a cobalt 2000 on the 14th for feb 2011 ( yes I did talk to the dreaded Dave, I clearly didn't do enough reseach on the company ) I ordered a cobalt 2000 and also wanted to get an extender tube and and extra battery and charger, I found it odd but he talked me out of getting the tube and batteries, I woundered why a salesman would talk me out of a sale, this should of be a red flag but i missed it.I was told it took 4 to 5 weeks for delivery and i would get and email with tracking # 3-4 days before shipping. At 4 and a half weeks no email, I called. Dave told me that they were shipping millitiary orders first and my was to be shipped soon. a week later still no email, I called again. Dave now tells me that there is a problem with the lens. Axiz changed the lens because wicked lasers wanted a differnt lens and since they are their majior buyer they changed them all, I said whatever ( that sounded like BS to me). On the 39th day after ordering I still had not got an email. I called yet again. This time it was Ian and he told me Dave had a heart attack and yada, yada, yada, BS,BS,BS He'ed mail it out soon. While I had Ian I asked him a few questions. I asked why does the site say it's only a max of 1800mw when it's ad's as a 2w? He said they can't put actual power on the site due to legal reasons. I ask so what is it really? He said it's at lest 2.1 watts and the temp of the dot at 10 feet was 1000 deg. After the call since it was the 39th day I filed a claim with pay pal. 9 day later I get a call from Ian asking me to lift my claim and he couldn't take orders till I lifted it, I told him to mail it to me and I would. He was happy and said he'ed give me some free extras from my wait. I asked for that extender tube I tried to buy and some batteries, he asked me if i had a gun and i said no, and he started talking about a gun mount, I said i didn't need it , again no gun. He overnighted it to me, I dropped the claim. I opened the box, the laser and normal stuff was there, even the tube i asked for, but no extar batteries or charger like we talked about, but there was a gun mount lol. I was like o-well no batteries, i can get those elsewhere, I ordered them from dino, didn't want to deal with awesome laser anymore.I thought this was the end of the story, but it wasn't... 3 weeks later i got my batteries, put the tube on and clicked the end and .... NOTHING... I was like ??? On the site when i ordered it they said it could that up to 9 bat's , it was now changed to 6 but mine only took 2... I called them back and couldn't get Ian but talked to Nichole and she said he'd call me back. waited days nothing. Called again. Was told to talk to tom thier engener. So I did and I asked about why mine didn't work right. He said he told them about how he was going to add that feature in the furture but they added it early and blah. I asked about why Ian told me it was a 2.1w and mine said 1842mw, he basicaly said Ian lied to me about the temp and output, I wasn't happy. He said I should get a new unit and they would email/call me. a week later nothing. I called again and was told there was a FDA problem and they couldn't mail units but I was to get a replacement asap and they would mail me a return box with the new laser. Weeks later and many calls later nothing. many promices for a return call or email nothing. I can't even count how many times i called and how many differnt excusses I was given.In may i was sick of it. This time I was told I couldn't get my laser till i mailed the first back. I said are you nuts? I've been told a billion differnt stories of bs, I can't trust you, I've done everything I've said i was going to do, you haven't, you even said you'd mail it. he said he couldn't due to policy, and I said niether can I it's agaist my policy against getting messed over. I told him Ian was lying to people, I refered to mw's and temp vs what the site says and what my paper says. He asked my what I tested it on. I said I didn't test it, I'm going by what the site and my paper said, he asked, what did you test it on. After talking in a circle for 4 or 5 times i said " Are you listening to the words coming out of my mouth? LISTEN TO ME." he had nothing to say.Anyways I washed my hands of them.I'll NEVER get anything from them, you can if you want but read this post! IT was insane, never been talked to in my 34 yrs on this planet like that.

Holy crap thats the biggest brick I have ever seen
 
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Xenophobe, thanks for taking the time to type out your experience.

It's important that this sort of thing gets said.

-Trevor
 
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Sorry about the "brick" . I haven't posted anying in like 7 yrs.
I'd also like to add on the phone Tom said the unit ran at 1100ma, on the paper i got it said 1200ma ,on the paper it says it runs on 7.2 volts yet the 2 18650 cells are a total of 7.4 volts. So tom can't add or something and doesn't even know what his drivers are set to.
Doesn't enspire confadence.
 
@Xenophobe - That's quite a story. I've been watching this thread with interest and it's an indication to me that the problems at the company, even with Dave gone, are systemic and indicative of common practice rather than exceptions.

@Trevor - You tried giving the awesomelasers a second chance. I really don't see how that reflects poorly on your integrity. Not like you're saying give dave a second chance.

Imo you're often one of the few impartial voices of reason in debates here.

While some crimes are too heinous to forgive, the business did not commit a crime and deserved a second chance.

At this point it's up to the company to turn around. Or die out.

IIRC Ian claimed that the website would be updated. That was months ago. It's still the same crappy website, with a crappy name.

Normally I'm all for more laser vendors, but in this case, given the amount of bad rep that's there already, and Xenophobe's story, I don't think awesomelasers would be missed by anyone.
 
Drama aside, I must be missing something regarding the desirability of their flagship product...

The Arctic is $300 + and sucks. But it looks cool (to some) so it sells.

The Awesomelasers Cobalt 2000 is a 1,600mW + laser built in a common flashlight host, with a supposedly custom driver (that even if true, doesn't seem to have any benefit, and a number of downsides), and sells at $630

That's correct, $630 for a laser that uses a common flashlight host. A laser that anyone with even a SurvivalLasers build under their belt could put together for under $150 in parts.

I don't get it. I mean, I get why they would inflate the price to $630... profit. I just don't get why anyone would buy this at the price they're asking? Again... drama aside.
 
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^^^They are pricing themselves out of the market. It's stupid, but it's their prerogative as an independent business.

At the same time to me at least, it's also an indicator of general business practices. There is absolutely no way the company will be around on LPF with those prices.

Trevor gave Ian a chance. If the chance is not taken... well nothing really changes awesomelasers will hopefully fade from memory. I certainly know there is no one who would recommend them from this forum.
 
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I've got one unit to be repaired on my desk.

I've got one "working" unit on the way.

I'll be waiting and watching

Peace,
dave


lol Dave would that broken cobalt 2000 be mine?
 
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Hello all. I've actualy purchased a laser from this company ( ducks and waits for rocks ). And let me tell you it made me reconsider getting into this hobbly. I ordered a cobalt 2000 on the 14th for feb 2011 ( yes I did talk to the dreaded Dave, I clearly didn't do enough reseach on the company ) I ordered a cobalt 2000 and also wanted to get an extender tube and and extra battery and charger, I found it odd but he talked me out of getting the tube and batteries, I woundered why a salesman would talk me out of a sale, this should of be a red flag but i missed it.I was told it took 4 to 5 weeks for delivery and i would get and email with tracking # 3-4 days before shipping. At 4 and a half weeks no email, I called. Dave told me that they were shipping millitiary orders first and my was to be shipped soon. a week later still no email, I called again. Dave now tells me that there is a problem with the lens. Axiz changed the lens because wicked lasers wanted a differnt lens and since they are their majior buyer they changed them all, I said whatever ( that sounded like BS to me). On the 39th day after ordering I still had not got an email. I called yet again. This time it was Ian and he told me Dave had a heart attack and yada, yada, yada, BS,BS,BS He'ed mail it out soon. While I had Ian I asked him a few questions. I asked why does the site say it's only a max of 1800mw when it's ad's as a 2w? He said they can't put actual power on the site due to legal reasons. I ask so what is it really? He said it's at lest 2.1 watts and the temp of the dot at 10 feet was 1000 deg. After the call since it was the 39th day I filed a claim with pay pal. 9 day later I get a call from Ian asking me to lift my claim and he couldn't take orders till I lifted it, I told him to mail it to me and I would. He was happy and said he'ed give me some free extras from my wait. I asked for that extender tube I tried to buy and some batteries, he asked me if i had a gun and i said no, and he started talking about a gun mount, I said i didn't need it , again no gun. He overnighted it to me, I dropped the claim. I opened the box, the laser and normal stuff was there, even the tube i asked for, but no extar batteries or charger like we talked about, but there was a gun mount lol. I was like o-well no batteries, i can get those elsewhere, I ordered them from dino, didn't want to deal with awesome laser anymore.I thought this was the end of the story, but it wasn't... 3 weeks later i got my batteries, put the tube on and clicked the end and .... NOTHING... I was like ??? On the site when i ordered it they said it could that up to 9 bat's , it was now changed to 6 but mine only took 2... I called them back and couldn't get Ian but talked to Nichole and she said he'd call me back. waited days nothing. Called again. Was told to talk to tom thier engener. So I did and I asked about why mine didn't work right. He said he told them about how he was going to add that feature in the furture but they added it early and blah. I asked about why Ian told me it was a 2.1w and mine said 1842mw, he basicaly said Ian lied to me about the temp and output, I wasn't happy. He said I should get a new unit and they would email/call me. a week later nothing. I called again and was told there was a FDA problem and they couldn't mail units but I was to get a replacement asap and they would mail me a return box with the new laser. Weeks later and many calls later nothing. many promices for a return call or email nothing. I can't even count how many times i called and how many differnt excusses I was given.In may i was sick of it. This time I was told I couldn't get my laser till i mailed the first back. I said are you nuts? I've been told a billion differnt stories of bs, I can't trust you, I've done everything I've said i was going to do, you haven't, you even said you'd mail it. he said he couldn't due to policy, and I said niether can I it's agaist my policy against getting messed over. I told him Ian was lying to people, I refered to mw's and temp vs what the site says and what my paper says. He asked my what I tested it on. I said I didn't test it, I'm going by what the site and my paper said, he asked, what did you test it on. After talking in a circle for 4 or 5 times i said " Are you listening to the words coming out of my mouth? LISTEN TO ME." he had nothing to say.Anyways I washed my hands of them.I'll NEVER get anything from them, you can if you want but read this post! IT was insane, never been talked to in my 34 yrs on this planet like that.

WTF is that conglomeration of alphabetic characters attached
one after the other...:thinking:

Please use some paragraphs to break it up or no one will
read it... I know I won't...:cryyy:

You can easily use the [Edit] button under your Post to make
it more readable.. .:beer:


Jerry
 
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Again sorry about the " brick " I will edit it next time I'm at a pc. And the few comment about my imperfect post is the reason i don't make them.
 
Again sorry about the " brick " I will edit it next time I'm at a pc. And the few comment about my imperfect post is the reason i don't make them.

Don't let me prevent you from posting. I was truly joking. It's all good. :)

It is a little hard to read, but it's not really that big a deal with me.
 
as stated on there website the cobalt can handle up to 6 18650's
then they changed it to 4 18650's
mine burned up trying 4 awrcr123a batteries
i tried calling and emailing the not so awesome lasers for weeks with nothing back from them

sorry i take that back this is whats still posted on there website

"Two batteries required in minimum configuration. Maximum 6 batteries in series. Installation of additional batteries requires extender tube. Length of unit will be increased by 3 inches (7.6cm) for each tube."
 
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Thank you very much to everybody who posted in this thread especially Xenophobe and Trevor.
The cobalt with all it`s claims was something different and if it had worked like they claimed would have been something different to most things out there and that's what made it desirable to me.
I talked to Ian about 2 months ago ( Never having read this thread or knowing anything about the rock spider business) and He informed me they had some federal licensing problems or something to that affect and the NEW COBALT 2000 would be out on the 11-11-2011.
I Have not heard back from him since.
Thank god I checked things out and people took the time to post their experiences in a thread like this one.
Thank you very much to everybody in this thread and my Cobalt 2000 thread.

Cheers
Mick.
 
I came here looking for info on this company and found this thread. I'm not sure they are completely disassociated with David Todeschini.

Take Responsibility for Your Actions Irony at its best/worst.

Assuming that this site is the same David Todeschini (it looks like the same template as awesomelasers.com)

About Us

then it is very disturbing and notice it lists one of his friends as Ian Strassler of Janson-Beckett, Inc.

That website Anti Wrinkle Cream, BOTOX Alternative, Anti Aging Skin Care by JB: Janson Beckett looks VERY sketchy to me and makes me have doubts about Ian.

There are a lot of people who see the internet as a big supply of suckers to take advantage of and I believe that after reading this thread and doing a little googling, I'm personally going to steer clear of awesomelasers.com. :-(

Also of note. MugShot of David John Todeschini. Camden, NJ

Mr. Todeschini does not appear to be in jail as this was written Jan 3 2012.

Prosecution of George Bush For Murder
 


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