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The official "our government is retarded" thread

Razako said:
Quick question: Would you be in favor of bringing back alcohol prohibition? Lots of people have too much of it and do dumbassed things. How many die yearly from DUI accidents?
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1) Divide the number of alcohol-related deaths by the number of alcohol users.

2) Divide the number of drug-related deaths by the number of drug users.

3) Report back your findings, because I'm interested in them too.

I unfortunately lack the political fired-up-ness to take the time to build an argument on those numbers. You seem just fired up enough not to... ;)

-Trevor
 





twhite828 said:
1) Divide the number of alcohol-related deaths by the number of alcohol users.

2) Divide the number of drug-related deaths by the number of drug users.

3) Report back your findings, because I'm interested in them too.

I unfortunately lack the political fired-up-ness to take the time to build an argument on those numbers. You seem just fired up enough not to... ;)

-Trevor
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This is mainly regarding weed which pales in comparison to alcohol/tobacco when comparing the numbers of deaths/accidents/domestic abuse etc. OFC things like crack/meth/heroin are really bad and should stay illegal. Ironically by just making weed legal you'd probably reduce the amounts of harder drugs. Legal weed=fewer drug dealers on the streets and lots of people get exposed to the harder stuff when buying weed from their dealer.
 
We just tried and almost legalized pot here in CA. But Mexican President Felipe Calderon strongly lobbied against it because legal pot would harm the Mexican Economy, so the prop lost support in the latino community. Also the AFL-CIO was against it because it would harm union jobs.

Years ago I took a poli sci class and one of the concepts taught is "legitimacy". Government only works as long as people feel the government it legitmatly concerned about their well being.

When govt pass laws that cannot enforce (like prohibitions) or when laws are enforced in a purely arbitrary manner (immigration laws) people lose faith and confidence in the govt.
 
I don't want hard drugs to be legal just marijuana, I used to get stoned go to 7 11 and get chili cheese nachos, a bag of Doritos and a super big gulp and go home or go play pinball and video games. I know people after a few drinks turn into real assholes, but are totally different when they get stoned. They are mellow and laugh instead of trying to fight everybody.

As far as imigration illegal imigration goes my grandparents came to this country from Italy and Czechoslovakia, they went thru Ellis Island and came here legally. If others that want to come here do it legally or stay the fuck out. They are trying to get an imigation law in Utah and the mexican community and the Mormon church is against it. They are working here using stolen SS numbers and screwing up little kids credit.
So they should become legal and leave or get shot and die, it's their choice.
 
I don't hate the illegal immigrants, I hate the corporations, churches, and politicians that that encourage illegal immigration because it is profitable for them (corps), gives them more followers (the catholic church), or gives them a power base (politicians).

We don't need to import cheap labor from Mexico. 10 to 20% (that is 1-2 in 10 people) is unemployed or underemployed. The govt of Mexico is arrogant. They DEMAND that we allow illegal immigration, but the Govt of Mexico's immigration polices are draconician compared to even Arizona.

In 1986 we had an Amnesty for illlegals, and BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans AGREED that would the LAST AMNESTY. Yet now BOTH PARTIES want another Amnesty because they are competing for the 12,000,000 new voters that such an Amnesty would create.

I'm sorry that life in Mexico is rough, but it is the mexicans own fault. They have a kleptocratic government, and they have cultural values are that encourage no one to obey the rules or respect the law.

If a govt encourages its citizens to break the laws of neighboring countries, its no surprise that its citizens have also stopped obeying the law in Mexico, which is why entire police departments in Mexico are either run by criminals or resign in mass.

Mexico is a failed nation like Nigeria and Somalia.
 
I have no problem with Mexicans as long as they come here legally and learn fluent English. When they come here illegally in mass and form whole Spanish speaking neighborhoods full of crime I start having a problem. So many are coming that they don't assimilate with the general population like immigrants in the past have. They don't need to learn English or our cultures when they have their own communities here and everything has optional Spanish. Also they drive around with no insurance, clog our ER's, take jobs from real Americans, steal our ID's and degrade the country in general.

There's currently a HUGE unemployment rate among young Americans and it's partly because the illegals are taking all of the traditional fast food and other lowly jobs that the 18-25 crowd would typically be getting.
 
^^^ Couldn't have said it better myself TeufelWolf ^^^
"Wow. You think illegal immigration is a crime worse than murder and rape?"
:huh:
Who said anything about rape.
Someone that maliciously steals from me? Yeah, I would at least beat them to a bloody, broken, pulp.
Someone that steals from me continuously (that isn't in the gov't) should be shot.
I'm sick of the immigrants having advantages that others don't and then bitching about being here.
Illegal immigrants are nothing but thieves, they are outside of the boundaries of the law and so we should be protected against them.
I might not agree with spreading ebola around ^_^ but I would be willing to sacrifice myself if I could take out a few dozen people that harm others to make their living.
Like I said before, not going to do it unless I had a terminal illness but it makes sense to make this world a better place before you go.
 
Razako said:
Quick question: Would you be in favor of bringing back alcohol prohibition? Lots of people have too much of it and do dumbassed things. How many die yearly from DUI accidents?
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I couldn't really care either way. I don't actually work that many drunk driving wrecks, and i only drink probably once a month, if that.

as far as illegal immigrants, I say cut off all immigrants for now unless they have a college degree. There aren't enough jobs in america as it is.
Right now we just got to stick it out and wait for these baby boomers to die. Right now they are in their 50s and 60s. They are starting to retire, so we are going to have LOTS of trouble paying their medical and social security. Demand is will keep going up for cna's and nurses to wipe their asses in the nursing home, care for them in the hospital, and hospice nurses to provide in-home care when they are about to die.. eventually they'll die and the demand will drop and we'll see nurse's having a hard time finding a job. Luckily i'll be a paramedic, and every town needs a couple :)
 
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Mexico in general is like a large tumor attached to the USA that slowly drains away our livelihood.

-Their government openly encourages illegal immigration because it takes away their responsibility to their own citizens and the illegals over here send money back to their families in Mexico.
-They're against any form of drug reform because they make loads of money off the illegal drug trade.
-They have entire corrupt police departments and are utterly overrun with cartels and crime.

The worst part is that there's no reason for Mexico to suck so much. They have a decent climate and abundant resources and should easily be able to support their own people. It basically all comes down to the country being corrupted to the core. Mexico: Run by criminals FOR criminals.
 
Mohrenberg said:
I say cut off all immigrants for now unless they have a college degree.
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College educated people can do more good for the world if they put their knowledge to work in Mexico.

Razako said:
I have no problem with Mexicans as long as they come here legally and learn fluent English. When they come here illegally in mass and form whole Spanish speaking neighborhoods full of crime I start having a problem.
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Are you insinuating if they learned English, they wouldn't form neighborhoods full of crime? Or that mexicans are the only nationality to form criminal neighborhoods?
 
Cyparagon said:
College educated people can do more good for the world if they put their knowledge to work in Mexico.



Are you insinuating if they learned English, they wouldn't form neighborhoods full of crime? Or that mexicans are the only nationality to form criminal neighborhoods?
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The point is that they should learn the language if they're gonna live here. I wouldn't move to France and not expect to have to learn French. The problem is that there's so many Mexicans coming that they can all just talk with each other and form whole Spanish communities.
 
Mexico in general is like a large tumor attached to the USA that slowly drains away our livelihood.
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I'm sorry, but in many ways, i find this pretty offensive when people talk this way about any country. I myself have been to mexico many times and find it wonderful if you know where your going. Yes, the border towns are and will always be crap and i will say that the illegal immigration is a problem, but to say that Mexico in general is like a tumor eroding the U.S. just shows a bit of bigotry. That's just my 0.02 cents and i'll leave it as is.
 
But no other country, except for a few rogue islamic states, actively encourages its citizens to come to the US and break our laws. Its federal policy in Mexico to support illegal immigration into the US. The Mexico govt even printed How To guides.

The President of Mexico has stated that Mexico's sovereignty extends into the US.

We've actually had to cede territory to Mexico south of Interstate 8.
The federal government has posted signs along a major interstate highway in Arizona, more than 100 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border, warning travelers the area is unsafe because of drug and alien smugglers, and a local sheriff says Mexican drug cartels now control some parts of the state.
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Signs in Arizona warn of smuggler dangers - Washington Times

The Drug Cartels are the defacto government.
 
.50 caliber justice would stop that "fence jumping" immigration pretty quick.
Employing 200 snipers to plink away would be a lot cheaper than the trouble I have heard of them causing when they do get in.
I'm a Canadian though, our dependent peoples are already well established and have the best lawyers available.
I have no problems with Native americans that integrate into society but the ones that are dependent should be cut off (their heads if need be :crackup: ).
When I was severely injured and didn't think I could support myself, I was willing to remove myself from society so as not to be a burden on my country.
The only reason I am here is my old man saw it coming and hid my knife. In my morphine addled state I wasn't able to find it in the bottom of the hospital drawers under all of my clothes.
The surgeons told me the next day that I would be able to use my hand but it reinforced my self confidence and now I know that I can "do what it takes" in any situation.
If people on supported by society that could support themselves if they wanted to can't see how little honor they have... They should be shown and given the choice.
I might be a bit radical in my beliefs but no one should suffer because of me or my actions.
 
aside from some americans sneaking over to canada for health care, there isn't much worry about border jumpers.

I've come to realize that the world is a horrible place. Humans at their core are selfish, destructive, cruel, and extremely dangerous. I may be a "good" person, but I know full well of the horrid things i could do with very limited regret or remorse. It's just a part of being human that many in the world have yet to find the intelligence to overcome.
 
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