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S1 Sonar Lunar 200mw at 89$ ?eh!?

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Sonar Extreme

...only 89$? cheaper than olike and rayfoss?......................
i think market is changing by NOW..........

however... OLD sonar was at 400me if i remember correctly. and in the tech specs.... of this laser i still read "300 - 400mW".

what is the truth???


if YOU have an old sonar... can you post images or say your opinion about it?
maybe the new( and CHEAPER) version uses others materials and diode,,,,,,
 





seems like some of you are missing some key information.

the Sonar Blu-ray laser comes in two variants.

Sonar Extreme

Wavelength: 405nm
Output Power: 300 - 400mW
Beam Diameter: 1mm @ aperture
NOHD* 133 meters
Req Eyewear OD: 2.6
Power Consumption: 280mA
Power supply: 2xCR123A
Battery Lifetime: 50min


and

SONAR II Burner

Wavelength: 405nm
Output Power: 60mW
Beam Diameter: 2.5mm @ aperture
Power Consumption: 800mA
Power supply: 3xCR123A
Battery Lifetime: 60min

both have identical hosts and share the same pictures on the website.

the $2000 SONAR II/Burner is measured 3x lower output than the $89 Extreme aka the S1 Sonar.


NOTE: the price of the lower spec.ed granddaddy SONAR remains at an unchanged 2k pricepoint.
 
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iGotUrLaserRightHere hehe said:
seems like some of you are missing some key information.

the Sonar Blu-ray laser comes in two variants.

Sonar Extreme

Wavelength: 405nm
Output Power: 300 - 400mW
Beam Diameter: 1mm @ aperture
NOHD* 133 meters
Req Eyewear OD: 2.6
Power Consumption: 280mA
Power supply: 2xCR123A
Battery Lifetime: 50min


and

SONAR II Burner

Wavelength: 405nm
Output Power: 60mW
Power Consumption: 800mA
Power supply: 3xCR123A
Battery Lifetime: 60min
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So the "Lunar" is a re-branding of the Extreme? If you look at the "Technical Specs" for the Luna they call it the Extreme. Is the Luna an Extreme for $89 bucks? Oh and it's purple despite the "Blu-Ray" on the side right?
 
^^ blu-ray lasers are in fact purple.

and yes I suppose they did rebranded.

the only significant difference between the two is the Beam Diameter which is quite significant.

the Extreme aka Sonar is 1 mm. the $2000 Burner is 2.5mm, hence the 2k pricetag.
 
How would a bigger beam size be a reason to have a 2k price?

IMO a smaller beam size is preferable.

The 2k SONAR was before they lowered all the prices, and now they have the 89$.
 
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brando132 said:
How would a bigger beam size be a reason to have a 2k price?

IMO a smaller beam size is preferable.

The 2k SONAR was before they lowered all the prices, and now they have the 89$.
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Yes, the Sonar Burner remained 2k. the Sonar S1 is a new laser entirely. much like the Spyder Arctic, which used the Spyder name/host.

since the release of the Sonar they had two variants. one was two thousand dollars that remained unchanged, and the one with the smaller beam diameter called the Sonar Advanced which put out 100mw and is no longer for sale. which used to cost $497.97 and came in a chrome finish.


after doing more research I don't think they even had the sonar extreme aka sonar S1 in production before this came to light. hence everyone thought they marked down the $2000 Sonar Burner, which in fact remained the same.

the Sonar Extreme/S1 is a whole new laser from wicked with a small beam diameter hence the ridiculously low price despite the 200mw power output.

gathering all the data I assume they figured out a cheap way to get the diodes to run in a small beam diameter which gave birth to the S1 overshadowing the Sonar Advanced in Specs/price/revenue.
 
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Why would a smaller beam diameter warrant a cheaper price? I would pay more for a smaller beam diameter if the divergence was the same, which it is, according to WL...
 
this is the same with the Spyder III pro aka S3 Spyder Fusion series.

the 100mw Green Spyder with the beam diameter of 1.5mm costs $199.99 as opposed to the 500mw green Spyder with beam diameter of 4mm which runs at $999.99

the price difference is largely due-to the beam diameter.

larger/fatter beam is harder to accomplish. which is why we see many cheap cheap cheap 200-300mw green lasers on cheap chinese websites.

and IM HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH WICKED LASERS' name changes.
 
lol i was just being stupid but really if uve watched the lasers on the sight for a while its easy enough to understand just takes a few minutes of looking around and researching
 
iGotUrLaserRightHere hehe said:
this is the same with the Spyder III pro aka S3 Spyder Fusion series.

the 100mw Green Spyder with the beam diameter of 1.5mm costs $199.99 as opposed to the 500mw green Spyder with beam diameter of 4mm which runs at $999.99

the price difference is largely due-to the beam diameter.

larger/fatter beam is harder to accomplish. which is why we see many cheap cheap cheap 200-300mw green lasers on cheap chinese websites.
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What?

The specs list only the beam diameter per wavelength, as they haven't updated since they sold the 473/532/650nm Spyder IIIs.
View attachment specs.bmp
 
OK, So the S1 Luna is a new beast. Cool.

A 200mw, Violet, 1mm laser.

For those of us new in town, what does that "200mw" really mean?
  • Fun to play with
  • Fun but use some common sense
  • Fun but use extreme caution
  • Fun but goggles and lead vest required
  • Fun but holy mother of God how is this legal?
 
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