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FrozenGate by Avery

Please take better Care of your lasers

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Hi everyone,

This is Athoul from Laser Community.

In the last month I have had 7 green laser units sent to me for repairs, which is much more then usual.  Upon inspection, three of them were damaged due to over voltage being used to try and crank out more power from the laser.  In these cases the diodes needed to be replaced and in one case the crystals were chared from the diode literally frying.  The diodes are in very close proximity to the ND:YVO4 crystal.

If you are going to tamper with your laser in order to get more mW output, leave it to cheap 5mW pointers. The voltage rating listed upon purchase for higher powered units is the maximum you should be using.  In one case the person admitted to placing 2 rechargable cr123's in place of a single 18650 battery.  This is double the voltage!  Even going 0.5V higher can sometimes cause damage to a unit and if it doesn't die instantly then the MTTF rating of the diode has just been reduced by upwards of 80%.

Most high powered lasers are already optimally set for maximum output and stability. If you want to experiment it is better to build a small DPSS rig from scratch.

This is not a rant, I'm just asking those that thinking about doing these things please read through the forum and dig up as much info as you can before proceeding. Over time unfortunately many of the most informative posts do get lost as new ones get created, but there is plenty of informtation available to avoid these kinds of disasters. 7 of 7 of these lasers could have avoided any repair if all that the owners did was read up on some information before poping the hood and digging in.

cheers,
Sean.
 





Higher quality greens, with higher quality crystals that are UNDERDRIVEN ( still with very large outputs ) from the factory, can easily be modded for MUCH more power, with out substantially reducing the lifetime.

-Adam
 
Hi Athoul, nice to see you here (even though you banned me from the other place), You have just given the same advice that most of the regulars give to newbies anyway...not that they will listen if they are hell bent on more power.

Regards rog8811
 
rog8811 said:
Hi Athoul, nice to see you here (even though you banned me from the other place), You have just given the same advice that most of the regulars give to newbies anyway...not that they will listen if they are hell bent on more power.

Regards rog8811

yeah, we get plenty of newbs coming and complaining about breaking their cheap 5mW green when pot modding it . It's ok to take the risk with the cheap pointers, but you should check before doing it with more expensive lasers.

-Adam
 
Diachi said:
Higher quality greens, with higher quality crystals that are UNDERDRIVEN ( still with very large outputs ) from the factory, can easily be modded for MUCH more power, with out substantially reducing the lifetime.

-Adam

There are no high powered portable lasers in the 200mW+ range that have good crystals and are being under driven enough to allow and increase of voltage to the diode. Any modification to these lasers will result in the reduction of the diodes life at best.  If there is some room for modification it will probably be in the re-alignment of the crystals.  At any rate nothing that people should be trying unless they have expereince in such things.


Diachi said:
[Yeah, we get plenty of newbs coming and complaining about breaking their cheap 5mW green when pot modding it . It's ok to take the risk with the cheap pointers, but you should check before doing it with more expensive lasers.

-Adam

Yeah, I don't mind those.. they are pretty cheap, just the more expensive ones that seem to be getting broken lately.
 
rog8811 said:
Hi Athoul, nice to see you here (even though you banned me from the other place), You have just given the same advice that most of the regulars give to newbies anyway...not that they will listen if they are hell bent on more power.

Regards rog8811

Sorry for the double post.  Are you sure it was me? In the 3 years I have been there the number of people I have personally banned (aside from ads/spam bots) I could probably count on one hand.

Anyway the point of this thread it to have people please dig through the tons of information available posted by some very knowledgable people. I don't mind helping repair etc when I have time, but most of these things could easily be avoided. If you truly want more power from the laser, in all honesty you will need to replace the diode and the crystal set to one that can handle more IR input. We are a bit limited however as more powerful diodes tend to require more voltage/current then a portable laser can handle.
 
LaserRX said:
Even going 0.5V higher can sometimes cause damage to a unit and if it doesn't die instantly then the MTTF rating of the diode has just been reduced by upwards of 80%.

If the regulator is that awful, it deserves to die early.
 
Cyparagon said:
[quote author=LaserRX link=1234563186/0#0 date=1234563186]Even going 0.5V higher can sometimes cause damage to a unit and if it doesn't die instantly then the MTTF rating of the diode has just been reduced by upwards of 80%.

If the regulator is that awful, it deserves to die early.[/quote]

Most do not have very good regulators to begin with, however I'm more referring to the voltage that gets to the diode. Of course doubling the voltage will be to much for them and they will fail to regulate properly. If fuctioning properly then even additional voltage would make no difference to the lasers output, however this is not usually the case and more voltage is reaching the diode. So while this does indicate that the crystals may indeed offer higher output since they have not reached saturation (at some point no matter how much input you give the otuput will not increase), the diode itself can't really handle the additional voltage. This is where the issue lies in most of the units I have had to repair overall.

Cases I have seen are such things as doubling the voltage in, or in one case bypassing the entire driver effectively having the diode directly attached to the batteries (aside from the switch).

Now there are people that know what they are doing and have replaced the stock drivers with better ones, or have constructed their own rigs from scratch even. However these are not the people sending me their lasers for repairs. There is nothing wrong with experimenting and modifying your laser provided you know what you are doing, or even want to learn... however all I'm suggesting is to read extensively before attempting it. If you are happy with your laser it is most likely not worth the risk to try to attain a few more mW out of it and end up with a paper weight.
 
LaserRX said:
There are no high powered portable lasers in the 200mW+ range that have good crystals and are being under driven enough to allow and increase of voltage to the diode. Any modification to these lasers will result in the reduction of the diodes life at best.  If there is some room for modification it will probably be in the re-alignment of the crystals.  At any rate nothing that people should be trying unless they have expereince in such things.

http://www.laserglow.com/index.php?hercules

A 400mW-rated Hercules (or maybe it was less) was modded successfully to average over 550mW and peak over 700mW! There was no IR leak- that was tested as well. To the best of my knowledge, it's still doing well.

http://www.optotronics.com/rpl-green-lasers.php

RPL's above 300mW, I think, are driven on 2.5W IR pump diodes! They are much "underdriven", compared to many other laser companies.

-Mark
 
Guys, you know what he meant with his advice, let's not get picky, we know you can get a good RPL to a higher power because they are underdriven, he's just posting this in the general section so people who oftenly browse this section of the forums (before they really go into the specific ones) read this and think twice before toasting their diodes.
 
LaserRX said:
[quote author=Diachi link=1234563186/0#1 date=1234563766]Higher quality greens, with higher quality crystals that are UNDERDRIVEN ( still with very large outputs ) from the factory, can easily be modded for MUCH more power, with out substantially reducing the lifetime.

-Adam

There are no high powered portable lasers in the 200mW+ range that have good crystals and are being under driven enough to allow and increase of voltage to the diode. Any modification to these lasers will result in the reduction of the diodes life at best.  If there is some room for modification it will probably be in the re-alignment of the crystals.  At any rate nothing that people should be trying unless they have expereince in such things.


Diachi said:
[Yeah, we get plenty of newbs coming and complaining about breaking their cheap 5mW green when pot modding it . It's ok to take the risk with the cheap pointers, but you should check before doing it with more expensive lasers.

-Adam

Yeah, I don't mind those.. they are pretty cheap, just the more expensive ones that seem to be getting broken lately.
[/quote]


Don't know if this has been stated already, but the RPL and Prometheus lasers both use under driven 2.5W diodes, and these can both handle higher voltages ( GooeyGus achieved an increase of around 200mW with his Prometheus, with no apparent decline in power or overall performance ).

-Adam
 
Diachi said:
[quote author=LaserRX link=1234563186/0#4 date=1234564148][quote author=Diachi link=1234563186/0#1 date=1234563766]Higher quality greens, with higher quality crystals that are UNDERDRIVEN ( still with very large outputs ) from the factory, can easily be modded for MUCH more power, with out substantially reducing the lifetime.

-Adam

There are no high powered portable lasers in the 200mW+ range that have good crystals and are being under driven enough to allow and increase of voltage to the diode. Any modification to these lasers will result in the reduction of the diodes life at best.  If there is some room for modification it will probably be in the re-alignment of the crystals.  At any rate nothing that people should be trying unless they have expereince in such things.


Diachi said:
[Yeah, we get plenty of newbs coming and complaining about breaking their cheap 5mW green when pot modding it . It's ok to take the risk with the cheap pointers, but you should check before doing it with more expensive lasers.

-Adam

Yeah, I don't mind those.. they are pretty cheap, just the more expensive ones that seem to be getting broken lately.
[/quote]


Don't know if this has been stated already, but the RPL and Prometheus lasers both use under driven 2.5W diodes, and these can both handle higher voltages ( GooeyGus achieved an increase of around 200mW with his Prometheus, with no apparent decline in power or overall performance ).

-Adam

[/quote]



Actually they're not THAT underdriven. Remember it's 2.5W of IR, not 532nm. When you convert it to 532nm you lost lots of power :)
 
apparent being the operative word. I can guarantee the life will be decreased. There's no reason they (optotronics/viasho) wouldn't set the current at an optimum level.
 
I appreciate anyone who gives useful advice on this forum, so for that I thank you LaserRX.. but it sounds to me like you're profiting a bit from these lasers' demise. It's just job security for you, honestly..
 
Eh, it's more like someone calling tech support and not knowing how to double-click. Yes, it's job security, but you can't help feeling sorry for your customers' monumental stupidity.
 
ElektroFreak said:
I appreciate anyone who gives useful advice on this forum, so for that I thank you LaserRX.. but it sounds to me like you're profiting a bit from these lasers' demise. It's just job security for you, honestly..


What?

Dude he's just trying to help newbies, what's the big deal about this?
 





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