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Moon Landing Hoaxed? (Warning: Trololo thread)...

Re: Moon Landing Hoaxed? (Warning: Trololo thread).

These same kinds of problems can be attached to just about anyone who wants to believe something, or exclude something from their world views so much they won't, can't allow themselves consider anything else. This even happens to highly educated mainstream lauded scientists who unfortunately are too often so well trained and successful in their own fields they have become tightly locked into the box they have created for themselves, unable to see or even consider anything different, this is why progress in science often comes from the fringes, instead of the center. Bill Nye an example of such when it comes to some subjects, obviously. Although I shouldn't group him with real scientists, he is an entertainer, although a mechanical engineer and a astronaut wannabe too, prior to making it in the entertainment industry. The lovable man-boy that Nye is to so many seems to be trying to break out of that mold by saying the F word on video now, I don't know why he would ruin a good thing by changing that.

Just for the record, I'm not a flat earther, or a moon landing denier, but at the same time I question why some of their photographs and films appear to have been staged, were some of them mixed in with the real thing? I've not studied this well enough to have much knowledge on it, but some of it looks pretty convincing on the surface, but that is always where the lies are placed to cover the truth too.
 
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{Edit: RCB posted while I was writing, I watched every space rocket shot I could when a kid, including when we put a man on the moon the first time, I'd play hooky from school in the late 60's & early 70's whenever I had to so I could watch them. Those videos are magnificent, the space program is one of the few things I don't mind paying taxes for.}

Gotta be careful with the conspiracy label, sometimes things which are the truth are called conspiracy theories in an effort to dismiss them. Sure, there are nonsense conspiracy theories which are complete bunk, but too often issues which were once considered nothing but false conspiracies were later shown to have been what was really happening.

i.e. 33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person Should Know? » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Sorry I had to go to infowars to find this, I can only take that show in small doses myself, even if much of what he says later proves true.
 
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Alaskan,

Since this is talking about the moon, have you seen the movie Apollo 18? It's a pretty good movie(at least I thought) :yh:

-Alex
 
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Alex Jones is nothing more than big business making a lot of money on conspiracy related stories. In my view he is just a circus clown. That being said, I get sick and tired of the growing wave of conspiracy theories, passed on by self-righteous and self-proclaimed bringers of truth who claim that the public is never told the truth – except when they say it.

It is interesting that most conspiracy theories even if they were true add up to a big so what and who cares. Nothing with nothing is still nothing and today is today anyway regardless.

Found a good bit mentioning the moon landing conspiracy believers:

"Conspiracy theorists really like to talk about the scientific community as if it was some kind of secret society who have secret meetings where they agree on which lies they will announce to the world. This is just absolutely ridiculous.

Just think about this: There are tens of thousands, if not even hundreds of thousands of scientists from around the world, from different cultures, from different countries, cultures and countries which have absolutely no interest in defending some possible conspiracy the United States government (or the NASA) has put up. These different people from all around the world all form the so-called scientific community. What possible interest would there be for all of them to lie in order to defend the United States government for something they might have made?

One could argue that they are not lying, they are just misled, like all the other people. This is not any less ridiculous. From hundreds of thousands (if not even millions) of critically-thinking intelligent people from all around the world, from different countries an cultures, all of them are so gullible as to believe some lies set up by the United States government or the NASA?

These scientists are not everyday people. They have measurement devices, laboratories and expertise to test and corroborate all physical facts surrounding these conspiracy theories. If there would be, for example, something wrong with, let's say, the Moon landing photographs, these hundreds of thousands of scientists from all around the world would certainly have all the means and expertise to determine that.

The conspiracy theorists also want us to believe that all scientists are actually afraid of publishing discoveries and claims which contradict what is currently established as the scientific truth. This couldn't be farther from the truth. This is certainly not how the scientific community works.

There would be nothing more exciting and rewarding for a scientist than to be able to publish a paper which presents a new discovery or scientifically credible theory. That's actually the dream of most people who work in a scientific field: To be the first one to discover something, to get one's name to be known around the world. This is the ultimate goal and dream of all scientists: To become famous, to do something earth-shaking, something which would change the world.

If there was any scientifical ground on any of these conspiracy theories, you can be absolutely sure that scientists would be rushing to publish papers about it. It would be absolutely ridiculous to think that all the scientists would actually be afraid of doing so. This is just not how science works.

The conspiracy theorists are asking us whether we choose to believe these hundreds of thousands of scientists, or some random people in the internet with dubious competence and credibility (namely the conspiracy theorists themselves).

Who are you going to believe? The hundreds of laboratories around the world (from countries which have absolutely no interest in defending a possible hoax by NASA) who have the equipment to measure whether the Apollo missions put a reflector on the surface of the Moon, or a random conspiracy theorist in the internet who claims that there's no such reflector?

Who are you going to believe? The hundreds of demolition experts from around the world who don't see any problem with the mechanics of the fall of the WTC towers, or some random conspiracy theorists in the internet who have absolutely no expertise on demolition or physics?

Conspiracy theorists like to be non-conformists, they like to be "different", they like to rebel against authority and against official explanations, they don't want to be misled by some false information, they don't want to be naive and gullible. Rather ironically, people who believe in these conspiracy theories are naive, gullible and easily misled. In their desire to rebel, they are just jumping on the bandwagon. The sad thing is that they are misled from the real truth to nothing but a bunch of lies and deceit.

What these people lack is a healthy source criticism: These gullible people will believe all the elaborate "documentaries" the conspiracy theorists have created, be convinced that there is something odd going on, and most importantly, will never do more research about the subject.

For some reason the idea that maybe there is more information about the subject, that maybe some knowledgeable people have actually debunked those "documentaries" and websites, never crosses the mind of these people who are misled by conspiracy theories, and they will never do the research to find out (even though in the internet era this is a laughably easy thing to do)." ~ Conspiracy Theory Religions
 
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Alaskan,

Since this is talking about the moon, have you seen the movie Apollo 18? It's a pretty good movie(at least I thought) :yh:

-Alex
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I liked the movie too but if creepy crawly things give you the heebee jeebees, probably won't want to watch this one.
 
Nope, I won't watch that kind of movie, even as a kid I refused to go to Frankenstein movies because they were scary.

Simply put, Alex Jones is in the entertainment industry, but he doesn't say that, mostly he says he is looking out for our freedoms. I do think he has some good points from time to time though, he would have to look for that to keep his network going.
 
I have seen the most ridiculous crap on YouTube than anywhere else in my life. I have a very little used email address that I used to get an idea several years ago about how silly these can be and I still get UFO sightings sent to that email address to this day. I also saw one awhile back that showed a small DC fan, supposedly, being run off a magnet. Where do these people come from?
 
They just want clicks, nothing has to be genuine, only the clicks matter to them and if they can convince someone of BS, it makes them happy for some reason.
 
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