i just got my 17.00 dx green pointer, i put in the batteries and point it at the wall in a dark room....at about 10 feet away i have a circle with at least a 6 ft diamater....there is a small dot in the center but it looks like somekinda starburst or something..... millions of faint little dots in a circular pattern....kinda neat and kinda useless at the same time, not sure if its worth the bother to return it...