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helpme about make me a new pc

zoeid

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hi to all gamers in the world,
last week I've sell my smartphone because i want a new PC.
Budget are very limited but I'll upgrade in future.
hdd and dvd will be taken from old pc and in future will be customized whit ssd.

NZXT Phantom 410 - Black and White Case
VGA Gigabyte 7970 wind force tree-fan 3Gb 1000Hz
Corsair Liquid Cooler H100
CPU AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz 125W Deneb Black Edition
RAM Corsair Vengeance Blue Low Profile DDR3 1600MHz 8GB (2x4GB) CL9
MOBO AsRock 970 pro3 DDR3 SATA3 USB3 ATX
PSU BeQuiet Pure Power L8 730W Modular

Case and VGA cant be touched i want to use in all of the way ..
 
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I'd ditch the liquid cooler unless you're going to do some epic overclocking, which isn't worth it on that system.
 
hmmmn, but if I'll upgrade to bulldozer cpu in the future?
i've say a lot of people using that cpu (also the x6 one) at 4.0Ghz for deleting the cpu limited effect.
 
Then buy it when you upgrade, not now. Don't buy some cooler you don't need now for some CPU you might (or might not) buy some time later. Prices drop all the time, products get better, and you may not even bother buying that upgrade CPU anyway.
 
That CPU is a bit of a bottle neck on this system.

Consider Core i5 solution, that's the best budget CPU so far. Pick one without integrated GPU on it's chip and you're good.
 
i5 is very good in gaming, but for me is too expensive..
my budget is c700€ but i want the Phantom 410 and the 7970.
 
I dunno but it feels like you won't get the full potential of 7970 on that processor.

You might as well pick up a 7850 or something, it'll be cheaper and you'll get same performance.

If no, then at least look into i3 if you can - Even the cheapest i3 will beat Phenom X4 9650:
AnandTech | Bench - CPU

And it's still questionable if it'll drive the highest end GPU.

My word of advice, don't go for highest of highest GPUs.
Seriously, some higher "midrange" level will do mighty fine.

I got GTX560 at home (nVidia). If I weren't bottlenecked by older processor, and in case where CPU isn't an issue, all settings maxed out. Always.

Maybe go for GTX660 or so - what's in your range.

So either fork over for a more powerfull processor, or go for a bit cheaper GPU, or both (and meet somewhere in the middle).

ADDENDUM:

You can have GTX 660 for like $210 :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443

And if you take a look at comparisons above on Anand, you can see that in same cases like:
Battlefield 3 - 1920x1200 - Ultra Quality + FXAA-High,
Starcraft II - 1920x1200 - Ultra Quality + 4xMSAA,
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 1920x1200 - Very High Quality + 4xMSAA/16xAF

You will notice that they are actually evenly matched (same FPS or maybe 1 frame difference).

But 7970 costs almost twice as much money. No point in paying 200% price for 15-20% increase (and only in some cases! Not always), I think. Go economically.
 
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Thanks a lot for your help Eudaimonium,
so i'll take the 7870 that cost the same and beat the 660..
finally i think that 60frame is soo good for multiplayer so i'll take the 7870 and consider the i3 solution or fx6300..

edit:
EK00031037 CPU Intel Core i3-3225 Dual-Core 3.30GHz Socket 1155 3MB Ivy Bridge 55W con GPU HD4000 Boxed € 123,00 € 123,00 0,00%
EK00029697 Scheda Madre AsRock B75 PRO3 Socket 1155 Intel B75 DDR3 SATA3 USB3 ATX € 60,20 € 60,20 0,00%
EK00028653 VGA Gigabyte Ati AMD Radeon HD 7870 OC Core 1100MHz Memory DDR5 4800MHz 2GB HDMI DVI MiniDP € 202,70 € 202,70 0,00%
EK00019074 RAM DDR3 Corsair Vengeance Blue Low Profile CML8GX3M2A1600C9B 1600MHz 8GB (2x4GB) CL9 € 52,40 € 52,40 0,00%
EK00029806 Alimentatore Modulare LC-Power LC8650II V2.3 Ozeanos Metatron Gaming Series 650W 80+ Bronze € 73,00 € 73,00 0,00%
EK00029914 Dissipatore a Liquido CPU Antec KÜHLER H₂O 620 Socket Intel 1156/1155/1366/2011 Amd AM2/AM3 € 52,80 € 52,80 0,00%

TOTAL : 564,10 €

+ NZXT Phantom 410 - Black and White Case 104€

--

The fx6300 way..

EK00034984 CPU AMD FX-6300 6-Core Vishera 3.5GHz Socket AM3+ 14MB 95W Boxed € 124,50 € 124,50 0,00%
EK00028653 VGA Gigabyte Ati AMD Radeon HD 7870 OC Core 1100MHz Memory DDR5 4800MHz 2GB HDMI DVI MiniDP € 202,70 € 202,70 0,00%
EK00029702 Scheda Madre AsRock 970 pro3 Socket AM3+ AMD 970 DDR3 SATA3 USB3 ATX € 57,00 € 57,00 0,00%
EK00019074 RAM DDR3 Corsair Vengeance Blue Low Profile CML8GX3M2A1600C9B 1600MHz 8GB (2x4GB) CL9 € 52,40 € 52,40 0,00%
EK00029806 Alimentatore Modulare LC-Power LC8650II V2.3 Ozeanos Metatron Gaming Series 650W 80+ Bronze € 73,00 € 73,00 0,00%
EK00029914 Dissipatore a Liquido CPU Antec KÜHLER H₂O 620 Socket Intel 1156/1155/1366/2011 Amd AM2/AM3 € 52,80 € 52,80 0,00%

TOTAL : 562,40 €

+ NZXT Phantom 410 - Black and White Case 104€

as you can see it cost me the same and i think i'll go for the fx6300..
 
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Well, depends on what you are playing but almost all multiplayer games are fairly optimised, even games such as Battlefield 3 have their maps built in a way so most computers can run them without much trouble, even if singleplayer played a little slower.

So you don't have to worry about that, your rig is gonna run that beautifully.
 
i want to play all the nextgen games that my x360 cant run it at max setting,
most of all crysis3 next gta and tomrider and bf4..
i want the 7970 to play on my 1080p plasma tv 42" (do not be frightened i'll use also a monitor for internet and the rest of time)..
the 7870 work well at 1080p? this is my fear..

and what about again considering save again on the cpu (taking an used whit warranty x6 1090t ?) and take the 7970..?
I read that the 1090T does not restrict that much about the 7970.
Would the amd 1090t bottleneck the amd 7970? - AMD - CPUs

i've find a man on a forum that sell this stuff for great prince..

amd x6 1090t, warranty 1 years
asus crosshair IV formula, guarantee almost over
crucial ballistix 2x4gb 1866 cl9 1,5v led 1 month of use (so whit warranty)
,lc power 700w modulare, no warranty

all for 250€
considering i have to adds


+
EK00029914 Dissipatore a Liquido CPU Antec KÜHLER H₂O 620 Socket Intel 1156/1155/1366/2011 Amd AM2/AM3 € 52,80 € 52,80 0,00%
EK00028653 VGA Gigabyte Ati AMD Radeon HD 7870 OC Core 1100MHz Memory DDR5 4800MHz 2GB HDMI DVI MiniDP € 202,70 € 202,70 0,00%

TOT: 504€

+
NZXT Phantom 410 - Black and White Case 104€

608€

so adding 100€ i can perform a 7970.. :yh:

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So you don't have to worry about that, your rig is gonna run that beautifully.
Click to expand...
Ok... :yh: this is my first gaming pc..
 
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If you really want that 7970, go for it, but usually avoid those higher-end cards because the premium you pay takes money from future computer upgrades. The name of the game is not spending more than you have to because technology improves all the time and you can get something better when you actually need it. In the case of your video card/CPU, you'll want them to be well matched, or else one or the other will just sit there being wasted until you upgrade its complement. Spending extra on something you won't utilize now also takes money from future purchases, which will usually be better than whatever you get now.

For you... if you don't even know what a gaming computer really feels like you probably ought to just get a nice mainstream system, instead of trying to go really high-end where you may not even be able to tell if it's better. Building a computer that'll play nextgen games better than an XBox 360 is also a very low bar to set. Almost any computer you buy or build nowadays will run games better than that archaic console. Hell, that console was obsolete before it came out; console players just don't know any better.
 
thanks a lot for your lesson of wisdom!
and finally i love pc!

my next setup are going amazing has you described..

NZXT Phantom 410
VGA Gigabyte 7970 wind force tree-fan 3Gb 1000Hz
Phenom x6 1090t cooler by Antec KÜHLER H₂O 620
asus crosshair IV formula
crucial ballistix 2x4gb 1866 cl9 1,5v led
lc power 700w modular bronze

Do you think that this beat new ps4?
 
They're different platforms so a direct comparison will be hard. For one, your computer will have a more powerful single CPU compared to those 8 AMD Jaguar cores that the PS4 will have. The Jaguar is like an Atom processor, and Sony is probably betting on doing more parallel-type processing than power computing -- like it did with the old Cell processor. The system has 8GB of shared RAM, rather than different sets like you'd find in a normal computer; it's all GDDR5 supposedly, so it's fast RAM, but I don't know if the CPUs can really take that much advantage of it. The video card is like a 7850 -- a midrange card.

Overall, it'll be able to play games decently, and will be enough for most console players. However, it's already surpassed by PCs, and if you buy one, you'll be stuck with 2011-2012 hardware until the PS5.
 
yes but what do you think, watch dogs run better on ps4 or on my pc upgrading to an fx6300?
 
I'm the wrong person to ask. I'll die before I buy a modern television console to play games. As far as I'm concerned the only TV console games worth playing are those that I can emulate on a computer.
 
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