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I just signed on to see an interesting post by DL about me. The post ignores all the evidence against DL - it doesn't clear up a single point. It does, however, take a nice low-blow at me personally, so here's what I have to say:
Well first off, I get the impression from your post, Frank, that you're thinking about not issuing my refund. Do you really want to add that to your reputation?
So, I'm sorry you feel I am that twisted and dishonest. You've had your chance at posting your side now, so its my turn. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what these forums want to believe.
Me as a business
- "Pseudonomen137 used this lack of competition to sell lasers he’d purchased directly from CNI at much lower prices than wickedlasers."
You're right. I was intrigued by CNIs products so I placed a >$3k order to sample their units, and I ordered a few extra greenies at the time. I sold these WHOLE THREE lasers at a few dollars of profit to LC members.
To date, the only REAL profit I've made from CNI products is over the IR lasers. I've sold ~15 greenies in all, at a net profit of probably ~$10 a unit. That's $150 profit for many hours a week over a period of over a year. If you want to call that a business, then yeah, I am your competitor DL.
So, for the sake of staying on topic, lets just say I am a huge, massively profitable business who wants to run you broke. Then what?
The Testing
- "Keep in mind that Pseudonomen137 staked his reputation on the test failing, he needed the testes to fail, so there is no way that the tests could have been carried out with complete impartiality. "
No, you keep in mind that I actually expected at least one of these lasers to be in-spec, and I would have posted the results either way around. The fact that you sell crap really helped out my point though.
As I said before, I really did do everything I could to give you the benefit of the doubt. Instead of batteries, I hooked up the laser to a 3.1V regulated supply. In case and light was hitting the aperture cap, I tested it without the cap on. The room was room temperature and no external heat sources (such as being handheld) were introduced.
I also made sure to choose the BEST 60 second average from the test. If there had been room for my bias to play in, it probably would have because I hate scammers, but I took every step I could to rule out bias and give DL the benefit of the doubt. Since you seem to think my tests were skewed though, I'll post the FULL test data. Note that neither graph even peaks over 110mW, and the huge drop in the first graph is NOT an error:
Dragon Lasers Viper 125mW #1:
Dragon Lasers Viper 125mW #2:
Paypal Dispute
As DL said, after I tested both lasers to be crap, I filed a paypal dispute. I listed the terms that I wanted a full refund, and if DL wants the products back, they will have to pay the shipping. What would you do in that situation? I know I sure wouldn't want to pay shipping for products that are obviously out of spec. Paypal, however, doesn't care if you get scammed. Perhaps a chargeback will be the only way to mediate this is DL doesn't come through? I will say this for DL though, other than that, they did stick to their policies as Frank said. That's about the only policy I can say.
Other
C'mon DL. Now you're blaming it on shipping or something? Everything fits with the info I've said about CNI before. The DL 95mWs I've tested seem to meet spec, which makes sense, and the 125mWs don't... also a coindicence(?) that is fully explained by what CNI actually sells. What's gunna happen in transit to magically make those two 125mWs perform like this?
Oh, and BTW. It seems like now I'm being attacked for buying some extra greens on my orders, and selling them at discount. Well, the last time I did it, I got screwed over financially and lost some $, this time I'm getting personal attacks. Well, I'm fresh out of CNI green pens, and I'm renewing my broken vow to never buy them again. I help you out by selling discount lasers, I help you out by exposing rip-offs, and the whole time I'm just facing constant criticism. I expect some... there's always some jerk who will complain like those people and SenKat's glowtorches, but this is getting insane. I have a bunch of PMs to respond to here, but instead I'm sitting around responding to this BS. My free time is diminishing and my anger is rising.
So its your turn now Frank. Lets dig our mutual hole a little deeper here because I'd rather take us both down than leave you standing.
PS: I'm a big fan on SenKat's offer to test the lasers too. My meter is well within its +/-3% calibration deadline from the industry leader in the field, so I'm pretty dang confident in my results. You can tell me you tested in >125 when you get it back, but I see no reason to believe you. If SenKat tests it >125, then I'll have to figure out what went wrong on my end.
Well first off, I get the impression from your post, Frank, that you're thinking about not issuing my refund. Do you really want to add that to your reputation?
So, I'm sorry you feel I am that twisted and dishonest. You've had your chance at posting your side now, so its my turn. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what these forums want to believe.
Me as a business
- "Pseudonomen137 used this lack of competition to sell lasers he’d purchased directly from CNI at much lower prices than wickedlasers."
You're right. I was intrigued by CNIs products so I placed a >$3k order to sample their units, and I ordered a few extra greenies at the time. I sold these WHOLE THREE lasers at a few dollars of profit to LC members.
To date, the only REAL profit I've made from CNI products is over the IR lasers. I've sold ~15 greenies in all, at a net profit of probably ~$10 a unit. That's $150 profit for many hours a week over a period of over a year. If you want to call that a business, then yeah, I am your competitor DL.
So, for the sake of staying on topic, lets just say I am a huge, massively profitable business who wants to run you broke. Then what?
The Testing
- "Keep in mind that Pseudonomen137 staked his reputation on the test failing, he needed the testes to fail, so there is no way that the tests could have been carried out with complete impartiality. "
No, you keep in mind that I actually expected at least one of these lasers to be in-spec, and I would have posted the results either way around. The fact that you sell crap really helped out my point though.
As I said before, I really did do everything I could to give you the benefit of the doubt. Instead of batteries, I hooked up the laser to a 3.1V regulated supply. In case and light was hitting the aperture cap, I tested it without the cap on. The room was room temperature and no external heat sources (such as being handheld) were introduced.
I also made sure to choose the BEST 60 second average from the test. If there had been room for my bias to play in, it probably would have because I hate scammers, but I took every step I could to rule out bias and give DL the benefit of the doubt. Since you seem to think my tests were skewed though, I'll post the FULL test data. Note that neither graph even peaks over 110mW, and the huge drop in the first graph is NOT an error:
Dragon Lasers Viper 125mW #1:
Dragon Lasers Viper 125mW #2:
Paypal Dispute
As DL said, after I tested both lasers to be crap, I filed a paypal dispute. I listed the terms that I wanted a full refund, and if DL wants the products back, they will have to pay the shipping. What would you do in that situation? I know I sure wouldn't want to pay shipping for products that are obviously out of spec. Paypal, however, doesn't care if you get scammed. Perhaps a chargeback will be the only way to mediate this is DL doesn't come through? I will say this for DL though, other than that, they did stick to their policies as Frank said. That's about the only policy I can say.
Other
C'mon DL. Now you're blaming it on shipping or something? Everything fits with the info I've said about CNI before. The DL 95mWs I've tested seem to meet spec, which makes sense, and the 125mWs don't... also a coindicence(?) that is fully explained by what CNI actually sells. What's gunna happen in transit to magically make those two 125mWs perform like this?
Oh, and BTW. It seems like now I'm being attacked for buying some extra greens on my orders, and selling them at discount. Well, the last time I did it, I got screwed over financially and lost some $, this time I'm getting personal attacks. Well, I'm fresh out of CNI green pens, and I'm renewing my broken vow to never buy them again. I help you out by selling discount lasers, I help you out by exposing rip-offs, and the whole time I'm just facing constant criticism. I expect some... there's always some jerk who will complain like those people and SenKat's glowtorches, but this is getting insane. I have a bunch of PMs to respond to here, but instead I'm sitting around responding to this BS. My free time is diminishing and my anger is rising.
So its your turn now Frank. Lets dig our mutual hole a little deeper here because I'd rather take us both down than leave you standing.
PS: I'm a big fan on SenKat's offer to test the lasers too. My meter is well within its +/-3% calibration deadline from the industry leader in the field, so I'm pretty dang confident in my results. You can tell me you tested in >125 when you get it back, but I see no reason to believe you. If SenKat tests it >125, then I'll have to figure out what went wrong on my end.
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