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Review of Wicked Lasers Spyder S3 Krypton

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Hello,

This is my first laser and first review. I tried to buy the Spyder S3 arctic last year but canceled my order when they did not deliver.

I was wary but gave it another go this time with the new Krypton. I went for the real deal the full 1W version for $1000, and the expanded lens kit. I was promised that it would be TO MY DOORSTEP in 2 weeks.

I was not given any kind of shipping confirmation or anything. After 3 weeks I contacted customer service and they said it had been shipped in two parts because it was illegal to ship batteries or something like that. Anyway, 3 days later I received a bag from Wicked Lasers. Inside was some bubble wrap around the black laser body, sans endcap. No papers or anything else to identify what it was whatsoever.

I contacted customer service again and this time they gave me a tracking number for the remainder of my order. I got it a week later, so total wait was a little over a month.

Packaging was very minimal. The battery is unmarked and initially uncharged. Comes with a charger, took a few hours to charge fully.

The expanded lens kit had no instructions. The instrucions for the laser were very confusing, I was afraid to turn it on for a long time because the instructions to turn it on were so confusing and I couldn't find any instructions for how to turn it OFF. Eventually I discovered it would be turned off by pressing the back-button.

The procedure to unlock the laser is very difficult to use. Even with the instruction manual and following it exactly, it took me at least 20 tries to get it to come on. The timing has to be perfect for it to work. Now I can do it fairly reliably. It is annoying.

The provided safety goggles seem very effective. The world looks all red and black in them. The dot does not look bright when viewed through the goggles. I presume that if it does not look bright, then it can't be harmful, because all the energy is concentrated in the most visible part of the spectrum. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that!!

Now onto the lens kit. There is no instructions. If you take all the lenses you you will see symbols on the side of them. By doing an internet search I was able to find out what lenses were supposed to come with it and then use a little intelligence to decipher what the symbols mean.

- : makes a line
+ : makes a cross
5 prong fan : makes a flood light
3 prong fan : makes a flashlight
9 dot pattern: projcts hundreds of stars like a galaxy
squished-x : focusing lens, at about 3-4 inches

There is also a lens marked 100%, I assume that this means the default lens is blocking some of the light. Not sure if this means it is lacking an IR filter or not. Really wish they provided more info on this stuff for safe use.

Unfortunately the glasses work so well that I cannot see any trace of the beam when using the crazy lenses. This means that in order to tell what it was actually doing, I had to peak out from under the glasses for a quick moment, and I felt unsafe about that.

Lastly, I tried to burn something. I put on the focusing lens and held it at the distance that made the dot as small and focused as possible and put it into high power mode. I was very disappointed here because I tried holding it against paper and thin pieces of plastic and did not see any reaction. No smoke, no heat, no smell, nothing. Tried on a few other things like a candle wick. Again nothing. This is on a full charge.

Takeaways:

1) I want to do more testing and see if I can get at least SOMETHING to have a response when shined upon :(

2) It seems clear to me that exposure to indirect reflection is unavoidable. The question is how much is safe. I want to understand this sooner rather than later. For example, I assume that shining into the night sky, the reflected light from particles in the air is not dangerous. I wonder about if its in my apartment, and I take a less than 1 second peak at the dot on the wall, is that going to cause a permanent blind spot? Also, is it totally safe to look at the reflected dot through the glasses?
 
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Wow a lot of questions there.

By the way you are describing the laser it seems to be very low powered. Can you take some pictures and video so we can approximate the power output.

Where do you live? Maybe someone from the forum can meter your laser and if it is underpowered you can RMA it and get a replacement.

As far as laser safety goes, looking at the dot on a wall is fine as long as its not for long periods. Make sure what ever you are shining it on is matte and not highly glossy because that can reflect and damage your eyes. As for the goggles, at night if the laser is stationary and pointing in a safe place goggles are not needed as the light emitted off the particles in the air is not enough to do any damage.

Do not point you laser directly at the goggles, but in the case that there is a reflection off something like a mirror, those glasses are designed to block the incoming light, so you should be fine.

Please realise that if the laser is under powered, as it sounds to be, your glasses might not be the safest option for a true 1W laser. I would personally suggest a laserglow pair because I highly respect laser safety and my eyes, but there are cheaper alternatives with similar quality to the laserglow pair.

-Adrian
 
If it is a 1 watt laser it should burn like crazy.
I know it comes with a lens that reduces a lot of power but I am sure you have taken that off. I say you should send it to member to get metered. also post some pic's. This thread scares me mine should be coming in a month or two.
 
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Thanks for your quick replies. I will do as you say and post some pics and video when I get home from work today! I live in SF, CA. If anyone knows how to measure the power output, I would love to do that...
 
Thanks for your quick replies. I will do as you say and post some pics and video when I get home from work today! I live in SF, CA. If anyone knows how to measure the power output, I would love to do that...
I have an LPM at my place in LA, and I am currently working in SF. I'll grab it when I go home this weekend, and I can meter your laser next week sometime if you want. :D
Oh. I will also bring an IR filter to test the IR output from your Krypton.
 
Got it.
If all goes well, I should bring my meter with me when I fly back on Monday.
Um,... Anyone think a laserbee I sorta looks like a mini IED (b0mb)? Maybe I will check that bag, and not carry it on. :whistle:
*cringes at the thought of Southwest luggage handlers throwing the bag with LPM around carelessly :undecided:
 
Um,... Anyone think a laserbee I sorta looks like a mini IED (b0mb)? Maybe I will check that bag, and not carry it on. :whistle:

:crackup::crackup::crackup:LMFAO - Enjoy your flight :crackup::crackup::crackup:

Meanwhile I had a couple of rounds in my carry on backpack when flying back from russia once. Didn't find them until long after getting home:undecided:

What's funny is that customs DID stop me... because I bought four bottles of liquor at the duty free and apparently you're not supposed to be allowed more than two.. or that's what the guy told me. It also didn't help that I was not even 18 at the time:shhh:
 
Many people are saying that their Krypton is underpowered. If it is above 500mw it should burn almost anything up close instantly, you shouldn't need to focus it. Wicked Lasers S3 Krypton Overview And Burning - YouTube should give you an idea

Regarding safety, unless you are using a stable tripod and you are outside, I wouldn't remove the goggles even for a peak at the dot.
 
It turns out that the reason I was seeing such low power was that I was not in the correct mode. There are lots of modes and no clear indication of what mode you are in. Due to the effectiveness of the goggles provided, it's often not possible to see the dot at all, and hence difficult to detect when in highest power mode. Thanks to Ash, I was able to figure out how to get into high power mode...doing so requires shining it at something close-up so that I can actually see the dot and then notice the increase in brightness.

What I previously thought was high power was only about 30 mW. Going into full high power mode, with fully charged batteries, we measured a peak at 720mW. Not bad, certainly good enough to burn some matches and melt some little holes with the focusing lens, but still nowhere near 1W...and considering that I could have paid half the price for the 500mW version, it's unacceptably low in my opinion.

Some pics and videos will be coming up soon....
 
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Well it's good that they have agreed to replace it because of the low output. But it's still a shame, and reinforces what many others experiences are with WL. I mean even if you HAD bought the 500mW version, I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that the output would only be around 200-300mW, you just can't win. :undecided: +1 for the review.
 
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So you payed over 1,000$ for a 670mW laser. Did you read this before you purchased?
http://laserpointerforums.com/f65/33-reasons-not-buy-wicked-lasers-56289.html

You would have been better off buying from a place like http://www.survivallaser.com/
or another seller on this site. I purchased a laser from them for 230$ and it peaks around 1,250mW. Oh and it took 2 days to get to me in NY from them in utah, better than waiting 1 month + for an underspec laser.

Honestly if it were me I wouldn't even waste any more of my time with WL. They are notorious for selling overpriced underspec lasers. Be careful when you send it back because they have a history of getting the laser and then just claiming they never received it. Make sure you use a shipping option with tracking or deliver confirmation.
 
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You would have been better off buying from a place like Survival Laser Home
or another seller on this site. I purchased a laser from them for 230$ and it peaks around 1,250mW. Oh and it took 2 days to get to me in NY from them in utah, better than waiting 1 month + for an underspec laser.

Can't compare the two companies or the two lasers.

The krapton is 532nm (green) the survival laser is 445nm (blue). Green is dpss module, while blue is diode...

Still seems like a pretty shitty deal... one of the jetlasers GB members just got a 500mW laser that also peaks in the same range... for less than half the price.
 


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