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High-power laser pointers | Ministry of Health NZ

As an owner of Some high Powered lasers, New Zealand is on the growing list to regulate lasers, and now restricts the use to only 1 mw, which is far worse then anyone. Australia has tough laws, but you can get up to 5 mw, but in NZ it is ridiculous at 1 mw, cannot even use a laser at this power as a telescope laser finder.

Everywhere else with regulations, seems 5mw is at least allowed, but even that is NZ is classed as too high powered.

While, if you have a high powered laser, there is no regulation to stop you having one, that to could also soon change, as there is a private members bill being looked at now to stop you owning any high powered laser, which could soon be illegal to own one, and will come under the same laws as a dangrous weapon, like carrying a knife, so NZ now has and will have to toughest laws governing lasers.



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Yup they are getting tough alright. The cutoff level has been at 1mW over here on the other side of the pond for a long time now, anything above that is considered a weapon. People get glassed inHotels every weekend but they haven't banned glasses and bottles yet! I think it all came down to just a few idiots who pointed them at planes!? End of story!
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As an owner of Some high Powered lasers, New Zealand is on the growing list to regulate lasers, and now restricts the use to only 1 mw, which is far worse then anyone. Australia has tough laws, but you can get up to 5 mw, but in NZ it is ridiculous at 1 mw, cannot even use a laser at this power as a telescope laser finder.

Everywhere else with regulations, seems 5mw is at least allowed, but even that is NZ is classed as too high powered.

While, if you have a high powered laser, there is no regulation to stop you having one, that to could also soon change, as there is a private members bill being looked at now to stop you owning any high powered laser, which could soon be illegal to own one, and will come under the same laws as a dangrous weapon, like carrying a knife, so NZ now has and will have to toughest laws governing lasers.
Many in the US do not know how REALLY lucky we are (for now)
you may want to add NZ to your profile page tp get to know others from NZ- here is one to get you started 'ReaperZ' I think his main interest is in laser shows & projectors rather than handhelds and afaik these are not illegal.. (yet)


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I think most of Europe is also on a 1mW laser law, it sucks
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The UK isn't, thankfully. Well... You can't legally buy high power handhelds over here, but there's nothing wrong with importing them and no illegalities in owning them.

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FINALLY some one has used thier brains-- I hear there is a $5000 reward for info leading to a conviction of any persons intentionally lasing any aircraft. hmmm
cell- camera - binocs??

DFW (Tx) has the highest number of reported lasing incidents something like 200+ last year!!

This kind of approach makes 100X more sense than a law making them illegal to possess--

AND a Plead-deal IS considered to be a guilty plea -- and thus a conviction- BUT even if you did not get the $$ there are other rewards==
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People like this guy are killing our rights. He is 42. He has to know better. Makes me scared to even take mine outside . To shine it at anything in the middle of a city that's not on your property is careless IMHO. To shine it at a Police helicopter is asinine.
Police helicopter hit by laser beam; Tulsan charged with federal crime - Tulsa World: Homepage1

Hopefully It's not too late and people will start policing themselves. If not they WILL do it for us. Legislators love to legislate. Regulators love to regulate. The writing is on the wall. It's only a matter of time. Soon only outlaws will have lasers. It really sucks too. I love this hobby. People like the guy in that article just piss me off. I want to just walk up and bitch slap him.
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^Wow....

Seems like 2014 is going to be an even worst year for laser hobbyists. Were only in Feb. and the stories are already starting to pour in

I frankly am starting to get nervous...
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^Wow....

Seems like 2014 is going to be an even worst year for laser hobbyists. Were only in Feb. and the stories are already starting to pour in

Im frankly am starting to get nervous...
I know ! It really sucks. I finally found a hobby that's not illegal or immoral I think it's a direct result of making the world stupid proof. Helmets to ride a bicycle ......really ! Cars that the inside turn into the Pilsbury Dough Boy when crashed ...... really ! Now they are putting air bags on Honda Gold Wing motorcycles ..... really ! They have already been testing cars that drive themselves ...... really ! When you protect the idiots, they breed. We stand around going "why are there so many more idiots than there used to be?"
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It Does SUCK Big time Denodan, i did make a thread in The Safety and Legal Section On this matter "http://laserpointerforums.com/f53/ne...-a-87079.html]" ,
I have studied this change of law in some depth and Noticed it only applies to the Aquisition, Importation and Sale Re-Sale of lasers above 1mW,
So as long as you dont import Complete builds, sell or attempt to aquire lasers over 1mW you will be fine, the law does not state anything to do with construction, possesion or use of any laser, and yes i did notice that dude trying to pass the law and make it illegal to possess one in a public place but this does not mean we are not allowed to own one, we will just have to put private property signs on our front gate and beam all night long in our back yards!
I aslo Noticed today 90% of the handhelds were removed from trademe, I had this idea to offer the sellers $5 a laser the day before the law came in as they would be worthless to them by the next day, but i forgot feb only had 28 days.... Haha

so we dont have the tightest laws just yet, but we are definitly on our way to having the worst

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As an owner of Some high Powered lasers, New Zealand is on the growing list to regulate lasers, and now restricts the use to only 1 mw, which is far worse then anyone. Australia has tough laws, but you can get up to 5 mw, but in NZ it is ridiculous at 1 mw, cannot even use a laser at this power as a telescope laser finder.

Everywhere else with regulations, seems 5mw is at least allowed, but even that is NZ is classed as too high powered.

While, if you have a high powered laser, there is no regulation to stop you having one, that to could also soon change, as there is a private members bill being looked at now to stop you owning any high powered laser, which could soon be illegal to own one, and will come under the same laws as a dangrous weapon, like carrying a knife, so NZ now has and will have to toughest laws governing lasers.
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It Does SUCK Big time Denodan, i did make a thread in The Safety and Legal Section On this matter "http://laserpointerforums.com/f53/ne...-a-87079.html]" ,
I have studied this change of law in some depth and Noticed it only applies to the Aquisition, Importation and Sale Re-Sale of lasers above 1mW,
So as long as you dont import Complete builds, sell or attempt to aquire lasers over 1mW you will be fine, the law does not state anything to do with construction, possesion or use of any laser, and yes i did notice that dude trying to pass the law and make it illegal to possess one in a public place but this does not mean we are not allowed to own one, we will just have to put private property signs on our front gate and beam all night long in our back yards!
I aslo Noticed today 90% of the handhelds were removed from trademe, I had this idea to offer the sellers $5 a laser the day before the law came in as they would be worthless to them by the next day, but i forgot feb only had 28 days.... Haha

so we dont have the tightest laws just yet, but we are definitly on our way to having the worst

Im guessing your from NZ? where are you situated? Pm if you want to keep location personal
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Thanks for clearing things up, Yes from New Zealand and shaky CHCH, which has only the odd aftershock now after 3 years.


I was wondering how, in Countries, where there are laser bans, of less than 5mw, seems they are still being imported? and puzzles me how people are getting away with it. I do know through the post, often I have got stuff, over the $400 and got away duty, but going through Fedex, you never do, so going through normal post, I guess many get through still, so guess People do take the risk and import them, as with most things, there is so much coming though they cannot check every item, apart from X-ray, which they do.

But guess a high powered laser imported without batteries could be concidered an incomplete laser and get away with importing it then, or the back cover off, and sent as a seperate item.

I have read, here on this forum, the odd person saying they do get through the normal postal service, but is risky as they could confiscate it and maybe fine you, but seems with laws people still import them around the world, and receive them in countries with tough laws.

New Zealand already had a tough law of imprisonment if caught shining at a plane, or car, so why did we even need a law, to ban them?

I reckon it's not about idiots causing it, but they help, look at it, they are taking our choice, or any power we have ourselves, and using idiots as an excuse. As there has been laws already to prosecute idiots.

Here is why I think it is a conspiracy?

1. They make it illegal for us to own a laser, yet Police and armed forces have and use them.

2. And another thing that will soon get banned are quad copters, which, like lasers are now getting a bad rap, I also own several of these. Yet Police and other services are using them, but want to ban them as a hobby.

They are getting concerned about privacy as people like myself are installing cameras, but not spying on people. See it's about power, they want to take away your ability to enable any spying or viewing, yet they do it all the time, they want to control you, and take your control away.

Yet Cellphones all have cameras and since then people have had even less privacy, yet do they ban cameras on cell Phones? It may well happen one day when they system sees them as a threat.

Many hobbyists like myself use Go Pro cameras on quad copters(Drones, I hate the term), and not ideal for spying on people anyway, you got to be close.


I also notice the law does not include laser levels, or laser sights? Would I be correct in this matter?

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Im not sure how others get there lasers in there countrys, i would say customs are just slacking off after sometime, NZ Customs will be on full alert ATM so i wouldnt try my chances,
But for NZ i would just get a Drop in module sent in one package, then a empty host send separate in another, or you could ask the supplier to make the laser look like it uses a power supply not batterys, and last you could ask the supplier to put it in some 1" ring with Dovetail or weaver rifle mounts because the law doesnt cover , rifle sights etc, or lasers not powered by batterys, and the aquisition only applies to trying to bullshit a authorised seller that you are a authorised recipient, nothing around building/constructing one yourself

Wats the haps with the quadcopters? havent heard anything bad about them yet, I have a couple and I think that all my helicopters suck now lol
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FINALLY some one has used thier brains-- I hear there is a $5000 reward for info leading to a conviction of any persons intentionally lasing any aircraft. hmmm
cell- camera - binocs??

DFW (Tx) has the highest number of reported lasing incidents something like 200+ last year!!

This kind of approach makes 100X more sense than a law making them illegal to possess--

AND a Plead-deal IS considered to be a guilty plea -- and thus a conviction- BUT even if you did not get the $$ there are other rewards==
No, offering rewards for this kind of thing only leads to false reports based upon greed on the part of the reporters. It results in the persecution of innocent people who did nothing wrong. I will not ever agree with your viewpoint on this and I will not ever support offering rewards of any kind to crime reporters.

ETA: Personally, I think that if lasing planes is half the problem, PILOTS are the other half. Almost every pilot I've met, my uncle included (flew the 757 for United Air Lines... or was it the 767? He flew international all the time) thinks that they are smarter than, or superior to, everyone else. It's no wonder they bitch and piss and moan about lasers, because most pilots are spoiled grown-up BRATS who have had everything handed to them. The MINUTE they don't get what they want, or something happens that they don't like, they bitch and cry and complain. I've heard them do it many times. I'm sure not every pilot is like that, but the majority of those I've met, even the really nice ones, have a bit of a superiority complex and they CRITICIZE every minor detail they don't like. Makes me want to hit 'em (with my FIST, not a laser).

Civilian pilots are annoying in this regard, but military pilots are even worse. TOP GUN HOT SHIT, that's exactly what they think of themselves. I've no respect for it.

The videos you see online of green lights flashing pilots in the face are FAKE, they were not shot in flight or even in a real jetliner; they were shot in a SIMULATOR on the ground and the lights in question probably weren't even lasers. They were just green lights flashed across the simulated flight deck.

I know that's not a popular opinion, and do please believe that I'm right there with you in thinking it's STUPID to lase a plane, a car, or anything else containing a person. However, I don't think it's stupid because it will blind the pilot... because it won't. Not unless you're hitting them with multiple WATTS. It's stupid because the pilot will piss and moan to the authorities, who in their constant quest to turn the world into one giant police state, will gladly pass more laws and BAN, BAN, BAN.
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Im not sure how others get there lasers in there countrys, i would say customs are just slacking off after sometime, NZ Customs will be on full alert ATM so i wouldnt try my chances,
But for NZ i would just get a Drop in module sent in one package, then a empty host send separate in another, or you could ask the supplier to make the laser look like it uses a power supply not batterys, and last you could ask the supplier to put it in some 1" ring with Dovetail or weaver rifle mounts because the law doesnt cover , rifle sights etc, or lasers not powered by batterys, and the aquisition only applies to trying to bullshit a authorised seller that you are a authorised recipient, nothing around building/constructing one yourself

Wats the haps with the quadcopters? havent heard anything bad about them yet, I have a couple and I think that all my helicopters suck now lol
Yes at the moment customs would be on full alert. Jet lasers do make their lasers, either run off AC power or batteries, got a 300mw green off them, and due to a muck up with the order and waiting so long, they gave me the choice of a free accessory, so took the AC power supply.

Would not mine one of there 2w 445 blue lasers, great quality runs off battery or power, so all they would have to do is not include the battery, and supply the AC power adapter, as the laser has an inbuilt AC pin plug.

But by the time I am ready to order, the alert may have died down somewhat.

They cannot really have laws against them, as people are making them, and making them for others, same may well happen in NZ, where people start making them for themselves and others.
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yea i thought i was so cool on LPF because i lived in a country with no laser laws, felt like i was better than everyone in some way because of that, but since yesterday im in a country thats going downhill very fast with regards to lasers and now i know how everyone feels in the other countrys with strict laws.....
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Cant agree-
making a false claim or accusation would NOT only get you NO reward it is , in itself a crime.

A conviction would be highly unlikely and i imagine only reported lasings by the pilots would need to be done to get a conviction-- no conviction- no reward- like it or not its far better than doing nothing..
The lasing must be intentional if i read the law correctly--

Hunters routinely report poachers ..
its not all that different IMHO.

just 'wishing' they would stop poaching is NOT going to make them stop.

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