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[Aorus Forever]

Illegal invaders don't have US Constitutional rights.

Also you cherry picked one line out of the DHS release, but it did not hinge the entire conclusion on that one line/opinion.

" The documents also reveal that law enforcement confirmed Abrego Garcia to be a Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) gang member."
That's more than good enough for me.

Any potential immigrant who want's to have full Constitutional rights, only needs to come in legally.

I read everything that was on that page, Please tell me what I missed???

" The documents also reveal that law enforcement confirmed Abrego Garcia to be a Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) gang member."

And according to that document, the way they confirmed it was...

He was pulled over with eight individuals in a car on an admitted three-day journey from Texas to Maryland with no luggage,” said Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin. “The facts speak for themselves, and they reek of human trafficking

That's what it said, and again, that is not evidence of ANYTHING! except maybe prejudice slipping out... "he smelled like he committed a crime"?!? And driving with no luggage is evidence of gang affiliation?! I can't believe any of that was put in a report!

If it is they could say anything about anyone, Just think for a moment, imagine your own sister walking down the Las Vegas Strip, on her way from her hotel and heading to a different casino to see a show and the police roll up on her and arrest her for solicitation, citing "she reeked of prostitution" because she was dressed nice, Is that evidence of solicitation?! Walking down the street, dressed nicely?!

HELL NO! THAT IS SOME BS!!!

Would you be ok with being arrested for firearm violations, with the arresting officer citing "he reeked of unlawful use of a firearm"?! HELL NO!!! EVEN IF YOU JUST CAME FROM THE RANGE AND SMELT OF GUN POWDER!

 

[paul1598419]

Illegal invaders don't have US Constitutional rights.

Also you cherry picked one line out of the DHS release, but it did not hinge the entire conclusion on that one line/opinion.

" The documents also reveal that law enforcement confirmed Abrego Garcia to be a Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) gang member."
That's more than good enough for me.

Any potential immigrant who want's to have full Constitutional rights, only needs to come in legally.

That's crap. Abrego Garcia has never been shown to be an MS-13 member. In fact, the one photoshopped photo showing him to have that tattooed on his knuckles is so obvious, anyone with half a brain would have a problem with that. You guys aren't even good at lying.

 

[Aorus Forever]

Any potential immigrant who want's to have full Constitutional rights, only needs to come in legally.

I can't argue that... You're right...

But don't you think that, here in America, everyone, legal or illegal, should be afforded some basic rights as a human being???

Isn't that one way we separate "us" from "them"? basic human rights???

 

[Aorus Forever]

NOW, trump is looking at suspending habeas corpus! Is this the America you want?! My god, when will it end with these people??? They are raping the Constitution as maga cheers them on!!!

 

[paul1598419]

I doubt Robert ever thinks like that. The GOP is now a cult of personality. They only care about power. Not the Constitution or laws or any process at all. It's all about what Trump says in the moment.

 

[RedCowboy]

In addition to the disgusting political lawfare and sham impeachments, fake Russia scandal, ect..... Democrats wanted to pack the court and democrats don't respect our Constitutional rights, that makes democrats too dangerous to ever be in power again, so why should I bend over backwards and write my rep about rights for illegals when illegal immigrants inflate census numbers in blue states adding democrat House seats and EC votes.

Hell no, illegal invaders BROKE THE LAW and as democrats made certain that we all understood so well, NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW !

 

[RedCowboy]

I doubt Robert ever thinks like that. The GOP is now a cult of personality. They only care about power. Not the Constitution or laws or any process at all. It's all about what Trump says in the moment.

Democrats don't give a fuck about our rights, democrats pass unconstitutional gun laws knowing they will ultimately be overturned, but they do it anyway to deprive citizens of their rights in the meanwhile, democrats change the meanings of words to suit their moment, lie constantly, exploit alphabet agencies by changing existing regulations that carry the weight of law in effect creating new law without a vote, it's all about control and pushing the globalist agenda, it ends now.

I support Trump in doing what ever it takes to clean house, our Constitutional rights have been trampled and you scumbags have the fucking gall to cry about rights for illegals ..... it's only because of apportionment that democrats give a dam about illegals, it's why Biden let them flood in by the millions, Trump has to restore a Constitutional America, but that does not mean giving rights to NON CITIZENS it means restoring the rights of CITIZENS 1st and foremost.

 

[RedCowboy]

I can't argue that... You're right...

But don't you think that, here in America, everyone, legal or illegal, should be afforded some basic rights as a human being???

Isn't that one way we separate "us" from "them"? basic human rights???

Of course illegals should have basic human rights and they get them, they get food, water and a comfortable ride back to their home where they have actual citizenship, human rights galore. Hell we don't even punish them for invading our country illegally, but maybe we should ??

 

[Aorus Forever]

invaders... Thank God they're not from space!

 

[Aorus Forever]

Of course illegals should have basic human rights and they get them, they get food, water and a comfortable ride back to their home where they have actual citizenship, human rights galore. Hell we don't even punish them for invading our country illegally, but maybe we should ??

But no due process as is expressly laid out in the Constitution, which states very plainly that, "All persons have the right to due process"...

However, you made it to America, washed up on our shores in a boat adrift, crash-landing an airplane on our soil, whether you're black, white, purple, or red, whether you're a man or a woman, child or adult, and yes EVEN if you have crossing our borders legally or illegally, The Constitution expressly states that "All persons have the right to due process"...

The founders added that to prevent tyranny and prejudice from raising its ugly head in America!

 

[Aorus Forever]

And before you try to say "persons" and "people" are the same thing, THINK VERY HARD what that would mean, if it were found to be true.

Really think it through!

If you can't see any problems with that, don't worry, I'll explain... Let's see if you can get there on your own...

 

[Aorus Forever]

I just googled "does the constitution apply to non citizens" and the answer is....

Yes, the U.S. Constitution applies to non-citizens. While citizenship grants specific rights like voting and running for federal office, many constitutional protections apply to all persons, including non-citizens, within the United States.

Due Process and Equal Protection:
The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process and equal protection under the law, which apply to all "persons" within the U.S., including non-citizens.
Specific Rights:
The right to free speech, freedom of religion, protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the right to legal counsel are all considered fundamental constitutional rights that apply to non-citizens.

• Limitations:
  While non-citizens are protected by many constitutional rights, some rights are specifically reserved for citizens, such as the right to vote in federal elections and the right to hold federal office.
  
  
• • Examples:
    Undocumented immigrants, for instance, are entitled to the same protections under the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures as citizens, says Clearwater Law Group.
  • Legal Status:
    The Constitution applies regardless of whether an individual is a lawful permanent resident, a temporary visa holder, or undocumented.

In essence, while citizenship grants certain benefits and responsibilities, the Constitution ensures that non-citizens also enjoy a wide range of fundamental rights and protections while within the U.S.

So there you have it, All persons have the right to due process, which includes non-citizens, undocumented immigrants that are legal or not...

trump has failed his oath of office and has broken the law of the United States of America! Flagrantly, I would add...

 

[RedCowboy]

I disagree.
Your search result is not a SCOTUS decision.

 

[Aorus Forever]

Furthermore...

The Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

You may disagree all you want, BUT, it's not for you to say...

It's the law of the land...

Just like it is not for Paul to say who can own a gun...

The law says who...

 

[Aorus Forever]

Now that that is settled, what would you like to discuss next?

 

[Aorus Forever]

I disagree.

Your search result is not a SCOTUS decision.

That said a deportation order is due process.

A deportation order must be accompanied by due process, meaning non-citizens have the right to a fair hearing and a chance to defend themselves. This includes the right to legal representation, as access to legal counsel is crucial for ensuring fair treatment under the law. While the government can initiate deportation, the process must adhere to due process principles.

Not a SCOTUS dececion

BUT, this is...

The Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Anything else?