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Also the WLs seemed to be a bit closer to 650nm than the glowtorch ones, which means a lto more visibility per mW. The glowtorch are a good deal, but (I probably wouldn't say this with a stock pulsar) I'd probably prefer one of the focus modded black pulsar 150s (normally do 160-180mW) than a glowtorch). The easy/solid focus mod makes it pretty much my top choice for portable burning.