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Hello everyone new here, with a question






Actually since Cowboy threw it out there, I'm looking more for a low power, super wide beam extremely bright flashlight. But in laser form. Ir filtered, power, divergence all tuned to be safe from point blank. I tried to "INQUIRE" to a builder to avoid the dramatics of those fearing I'd burn myself or someone else's eyes out. Or that I may have a secret plan to build w.m.d. to take over the world. Low power combined with stupid wide beam and ir filtered people. I know, buy an led high powered flashlight. I have one, custom built 3,800 lumens quad u2's set up in a hand held tactical. Anyone ever wonder what else is out there or if something might be better than what you already have that you don't know about yet? I'm well aware of how dangerous lasers "can" be. I'm also aware that it's possible to set them up so that there not. Maybe after all of this I'll find out that a laser like I'm "inquiring" about isn't nearly as bright as what I have, or not bright enough to justify the $. But I will find out.
 
Try to understand that we are not all that much a free country anymore, more of a police state and even if you built the perfect dazzler, if it's over 5mw you had better get it FDA certified if you plan to use it on anyone or else you could easily get screwed in court.

There are many overlapping laws that could be used against you not to mention civil actions.

Self defense is our right, and if you grab a piece of sporting equipment to defend your home in the heat of the moment that's going to be justifiable.

However if you fill a super soaker with battery acid in advance you are going to jail, self defense or not and if you build a laser over 5mw and shine it in someone's face, or at a car that's trying to run you over you are still going to get screwed.

You are not the first person with this concept and I gave you good information. I did not try to deprive you of anything but only to warn you against a costly misjudgment in what is legal and hopefully prevent harm to persons and our hobby.

Honestly I think white light is going to be the best at inducing the bleach out temporary blindness effect, pulsing it at a varying rate and pattern can add to it's effectiveness. The only real advantage to a laser is long range focus ability and that's not self defense, short range is self defense, and again even if you build a perfectly safe laser dazzler you could still easily get screwed because it's a laser and judges, district attorneys, and jurys are ignorant to the technical aspects and only know that lasers can crash airplanes and blind people.
Do you understand that I am not trying to deprive you of anything, only warn you against a serious misjudgment in what a jury will think about your hand held blinding weapon and remember if the law says it's illegal to point a laser at someone's face then that's it, building something in advance negates the grabbing anything handy in an emergency defense.
 
RedCowboy said:
Try to understand that we are not all that much a free country anymore, more of a police state and even if you built the perfect dazzler, if it's over 5mw you had better get it FDA certified if you plan to use it on anyone or else you could easily get screwed in court.

There are many overlapping laws that could be used against you not to mention civil actions.

Self defense is our right, and if you grab a piece of sporting equipment to defend your home in the heat of the moment that's going to be justifiable.

However if you fill a super soaker with battery acid in advance you are going to jail, self defense or not and if you build a laser over 5mw and shine it in someone's face, or at a car that's trying to run you over you are still going to get screwed.

You are not the first person with this concept and I gave you good information. I did not try to deprive you of anything but only to warn you against a costly misjudgment in what is legal and hopefully prevent harm to persons and our hobby.

Honestly I think white light is going to be the best at inducing the bleach out temporary blindness effect, pulsing it at a varying rate and pattern can add to it's effectiveness. The only real advantage to a laser is long range focus ability and that's not self defense, short range is self defense, and again even if you build a perfectly safe laser dazzler you could still easily get screwed because it's a laser and judges, district attorneys, and jurys are ignorant to the technical aspects and only know that lasers can crash airplanes and blind people.
Do you understand that I am not trying to deprive you of anything, only warn you against a serious misjudgment in what a jury will think about your hand held blinding weapon and remember if the law says it's illegal to point a laser at someone's face then that's it, building something in advance negates the grabbing anything handy in an emergency defense.[/QUOTE

I think from a legal standpoint and the negative attention that lasers have received in the last couple of years you may be right unfortunately. I believe that it may be possible to build and balance one using beam size and power with filters to be perfectly safe point blank, but I'm probably betting that in order to get that much power in such a large beam you'd probably have to exceed 5mw. That would be a problem. Not only the stigma of it being a laser but also exceeding legal power levels. That would be an automatic legal mess even if the device was "safe" at any range. Since you know what I do from our discussions, you know that distance isn't a goal for me. I have my eyes on a handheld led light that produces over 10,000 lumen. The diameter of the light is large but it's palm sized. Thank you for your time, you have been very helpful. I'll stay on here for a few days to see if there's any more comments. Enjoy your hobby, it is pretty cool I must admit.
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I agree with RedCowboy. IMHO you would be better to go with a very bright flashlight that has a pulse option also.
 
Laser Chick said:
I agree with RedCowboy. IMHO you would be better to go with a very bright flashlight that has a pulse option also.
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HI laser chick. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, busy lol. Yeah, I was originally just looking for something with more power than what I have in the same size host. I'm kinda over it now though.
 
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No fing way!! That's insane. Is that one light shooting circular around the camera?
 
Cypragon is the man. That took some serious know how. I'm assuming that eye protection would need to be worn while watching live? Lol
 
gtr14 said:
Cypragon is the man. That took some serious know how. I'm assuming that eye protection would need to be worn while watching live? Lol
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Not much point wearing eye protection while watching a laser projector ... you wouldn't see anything. Generally it's best to create a zone where the power is turned down/divergence is increased that you sit in, or avoid the beams altogether. I.e. stand off to one side, or have the beams going above/below/around you.

The beams are also moving fast, so exposure times are reduced - meaning you can safely use more power too. There are calculations that you can do for each "frame" to figure out how much power and at what distance it is safe.
 
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diachi said:
Not much point wearing eye protection while watching a laser projector ... you wouldn't see anything. Generally it's best to create a zone where the power is turned down/divergence is increased that you sit in, or avoid the beams altogether. I.e. stand off to one side, or have the beams going above/below/around you.

The beams are also moving fast, so exposure times are reduced - meaning you can safely use more power too. There are calculations that you can do for each "frame" to figure out how much power and at what distance it is safe.
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That's awesome, looks like something nine inch nails would do.
 
gtr14 said:
By the way this was the closest I could find to what I was after in my search. Wouldn't have risk spending the money on it though without knowing if it would way out perform the one that I have. Plus it's designed for way more range that I need. Has anyone seen this?ND5 Green Laser for search and rescue and EMT | Laser Genetics
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It makes no less than a 45mm spot at 1 foot and is 20mw, your xhp-70 quad core is 32000mw input and at least a 1/4 of that output probably more and at 1 foot what 150mm spot, so 8 times the area but 50 times the energy making your flashlight over 850% as bright, rough calculation, and being white it will have a better effect as well as strobe mode. Plus it won't get you stuffed in the back of the cop car the moment you say laser.
 
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