Bradley Manning's Trial (NSFW)

[ryansoh3]

I just read an article about Bradley Manning, who leaked military documents, including videos of soldiers engaging and neutralizing civilians, including a Reuters cameraman and his driver. Two children were also injured, but were ultimately sent to a local hospital where sanitation and service are poor, rather than a US hospital.

Here is the article: Bradley Manning's verdict will be announced on Tuesday: here's what you need to know | The Verge

The released footage is called "Collateral Murder," shown here:

Deeply disturbing to say the least, so please keep that in mind. It has definitely changed my opinion about war.

Also, I sincerely hope the comments are respectful and mature.

 

[Hislordship]

Manning is a hero! he doesn't deserve a life in jail...he deserves the nobel peace price! but instead of giving that to someone who deserves it they give it to Obama who knowingly lets drones kill inocent people including woman and children all over the middle east...

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

War is terrible. This was not war though.

I've never seen the video beforehand, and to me it looks like mass murder, followed by a cover up.

The two men picking up the body... and the helicopter opening fire at that point. You can see them looking up to the helicopter. They were not there to fight.

High suicide rates among returning veterans are a huge problem for the military. This is why. Can you imagine having to live with yourself after killing kids? I couldn't.

What I hope people outside the US understand, is there is a very big, and ever growing divide between the american people, and the american government.

 

[ryansoh3]

Yeah, a couple hours ago, he was acquitted of aiding the enemy, but guilty of most charges: Bradley Manning cleared of 'aiding the enemy' but guilty of most other charges | World news | The Guardian

The video shows US forces engaging on not the enemy, but a Reuters reporter, his driver, and other civilians. What pisses me off even more is the fact that the US army was lying about these cases. Had videos like this not been leaked, the world wouldn't have known what was actually going on.

 

[Trevor]

Ugh. That video had a huge effect on my opinion of what was going on in the Middle East.

Or, if not that, it got me to start paying attention.

I don't think Manning should have used such a shotgun effect releasing everything, but many of the things he released definitely needed to be, this video included.

Trevor

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

I don't think Manning had any other option than to release everything he had at once.

On the flip side of things, labeling things as classified due to national security has gotten completely out of hand.

:undecided:

 

[Trevor]

Whatever the case may be, it's a shame he's probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

Trevor

 

[ryansoh3]

I'm wondering if he could have an "insurance file" that would be encrypted but once he is convicted for an unreasonable amount of time, he would release the encryption key.

I think Julian Assange did this.

 

[Hislordship]

Assange is nothing more then a &@$$@....
He made a deal with the CIA not to release certain information in return he would not be killed or put in jail for the rest of his life...

As for manning... the whole world aggrees he should be free but the US government still does whatever they want to do anyway...
The world and specially the american people owe him big time! And should not let this happen.... how blind is everyone?...

First manning gives the world prove that the government lets soldiers kill kids and other inocent people which they then try to cover up... then they put a hero in jail...

Now they want to put another hero in jail who gave us prove that again the government is breaking the law.... and is actually spying on you....

But still everyone blindly abeys the law which the government doesn't even obey themselves...
Still everyone seems to close their eyes... because they are all afraid... they all think they can't do anything about it anyway..

If the american people are really a proud free nation then they would have overthrown this corrupt government by now.. but they are to busy watching tv to actually care for the future of their children...

Look at turkey egypt and brasil... at least they have the balls to act!

Sorry but things like this make me very angry... i dont mean to offend anyone

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

I'm wondering if he could have an "insurance file" that would be encrypted but once he is convicted for an unreasonable amount of time, he would release the encryption key.

I think Julian Assange did this.

I'm willing to bet Assange and Snowden have created a nuclear option, that in the event of their deaths, damaging information would be released.

I don't think Manning did though... based on what I've read I have a feeling he just sent everything he could already. He didn't think things through too far ahead.

Snowden and Assange did... but still things did not go as planned for either. One is trapped in an embassy indefinitely, the other will be spending the rest of his life in russia, probably undergoing some interrogation, and then quietly retired to a dacha outside moscow. He might be given back to the US when it suits the kremlin, and in exchange for something else.

 

[BShanahan14rulz]

If the american people are really a proud free nation then they would have overthrown this corrupt government by now.. but they are to busy watching tv to actually care for the future of their children...

Suckling at the teat. Why would we need to care for the future of our children, that's what the government's for.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

Not about Manning, but in light of Snowden's revelations this is both relevant, and very very scary:

Google 'Pressure Cookers' and 'Backpacks,' Get a Visit from the Cops - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire

 

[Shakenawake]

I actually saw this on wikileaks, which julian assange started if I'm not mistaken. I agree with hislordship, largely

 

[Hislordship]

Not about Manning, but in light of Snowden's revelations this is both relevant, and very very scary:

Google 'Pressure Cookers' and 'Backpacks,' Get a Visit from the Cops - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire

A friend of mine told me this last night...
The world has gone insane...

But this again shows just how badly they spy on everyone..

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

The question is, have we really gotten any extra security in exchange for our privacy?

According to Obama, and Alexander we have.

Except we can't be allowed to know about these cases. It's classified, but we should trust the government after all, this is information coming from the same trustworthy people that denied any kind of mass dragnet programs were being used to surveil Americans domestically, and abroad.

(Full disclosure - I've read about, and studied both of the individuals pictured. I really like the one on the bottom )

 

[Trevor]

Except we can't be allowed to know about these cases. It's classified, but we should trust the government after all, this is information coming from the same trustworthy people that denied any kind of mass dragnet programs were being used to surveil Americans domestically, and abroad.

Yeah... this debate is going on right now on facebook among some of my friends.

The government says the current NSA spying has prevented attacks.

But if that went on Wikipedia, it would have a big old [citation needed] right by it...

Sigh. :tired:

Trevor