ZKZM-500 Chinas new laser gun

Anyone know much about this?

https://www.cnet.com/news/chinas-ne...10aae4g&bhid=19105024983717265870799365823790

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...y/news-story/4a295cdd89318df43f7c973087991b42


This is a ASSAULT RIFLE that weighs about 7 pounds same size as AK-47

Produced by Xi'an Institute of Optics and Precision Mechanics - Chinese Academy of Sciences

I was hoping for more info on here. it is reported to be able to burn through someones clothes and set them on fire via a laser from about 1km away.

It is able to do 1000 shots with a 2 sec pulses. Considered non-lethal but extremely painful

Lithium Batteries and non visible spectrum beam.

I was wondering if they are using a CO2 laser that is focused or ?
and what kind of beam expander can they focus with that distance and not burn peoples eyes out with it.

With that distance, even if it is SUPER FOCUSED, the target will move enough in 2 seconds to hit their eyes also!

Scares the willies out of me.
A high power CO2 used as a gun. Lots of people will be going blind is my guess.

One of the reports said they want to make it "look like an accident"

Any comments or info on this?

They have a laser rifle for blinding enemy " sensors " but it's not powerful enough to work practically for much else as battery technology is still a major factor IINM, although I know what " sensors " they really intended it for, just like the lasers on their tanks, our troops will need auto darkening goggles like welders wear only spec x 10, maybe camera goggles with a very robust set of cameras with their own protective auto shutters, they could also be good for seeing in IR and non active NV, I have been thinking about them for a long time, the technology to make NV goggles thin I think would be more practical with a camera-LCD interface anyway.

Would instantly guess that news release from the Chinese government is just performance and cost propaganda--the Chinese say those rilfes cost $15,000 each but they have not found any manufacturing partner to make them yet. I think that had a instructor from laserpointerpro web teach them about lasers and prices--- is typical gross misrepresentation and outright fraudulent representation exactly like laserpointerpro :crackup:

Set light clothing on fire and "carbonize human skin" from 1 km away with a 2 second pulse?

I have to agree, this looks very much like propaganda. Even the post photo of the troops looks kind of silly as they are all little people lunging with rifles with their mouths wide open. At $15,000 each, I want one. 800 meters away from the target and a 2 second pulse. Who is going to keep the beam on target for a whole two seconds?

Alaskan said:

It's a bunch of crap, you won't have a laser rifle at that weight able to do what they claim, especially repeatedly with batteries like that, it's fear mongering BS, just look at the wording.

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I'm telling you--they were trained in lasers and laser technology by the laserpointerpro marketing team guys.

PS FYI --to carbonize human flesh to a depth of 25 microns it takes a 20W CO2 laser with a 2mm dot and the same effect, carbonizing human flesh to a depth of 25 microns, with a Nd:YAG requires an 80W Nd:YAG with a 2mm dot ...

The Chinese quys who put that news release together were either trained by laserpointerpro or they are laserpointerpro escapees :crackup:

I've got to agree. With its weight and price and running off Li-ion batteries, I don't see 1000 two second shots at 800 meters catching people on fire. It is ludicrous.

Until I see some specifications, costs, and design parameters, this is meaningless propaganda. Economically and strategically nonviable at best, and outright lies at worst.

Cyparagon said:

Until I see some specifications, costs, and design parameters, this is meaningless propaganda. Economically and strategically nonviable at best, and outright lies at worst.

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Encap said:

100%/exactly

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Wow we agreed on something

Well, I guess it is a CO2 laser that can somehow be focused onto a small spot at a reasonable distance. I'm not really sure how that would be achieved, but CO2 lasers can start of with reasonably good divergence so it's not completely unthinkable.

As to the effect it's a bit hard to say: it sort of implies that you could set a person on fire with it if their clothes were flammable. If those clothes are polyester without any fire retardant in them (probably legal in china) you could set someone ablaze with a match or lighter as well.

I'm not sure what the military application of it would be, but pretty sure that IR retroreflectors would be a excellent countermeasure, and possible even give away the location of the attacker by the laser tube exploding

As for blinding effects: if it's CO2 it will (initially) fry your eyes on the outside, not your retina's. That said you could also be blinded if someone shot you in the face with a flamethrower.

The powering it with batteries thing could be true: CO2 lasers are often 10% efficient (electrical to optical), so to run a 20 watt beam you'd need 200 watts of electrical power. They claim something like 1000 shots of 2 seconds each, so a runtime total of 2000 seconds, a bit over half an hour. This would require a battery pack of about 100 Wh, which is about what you would find in a big 17" business laptop, so entirely feasible on a portable weapon.

Propaganda at the very least. But this the chinese, home to cheap 5000mW 532's.
But even so, I don't like the ethics going on here. Non-lethal, but could potentially leave a victim with lifetime burns/scarring and/or eye damage. And claiming that it could look like an accident.

I don't know how accidental laser burns would look to people who know what to look for. That is likely propaganda too.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-confirms-chinese-fired-lasers-u-s-pilots/

These are the 4 blinding laser weapons that China has developed - Business Insider

If it affects pilots it cannot be a CO2 laser really. Most types of glass block the typial 10.6 uM emission line of such lasers very well. I'm not sure what type of glass is used in military aircraft front windows, but any of the reasonable types block this wavelength completely.

It could be that two different types of weapons are mixed up here: if it blinds pilots but is not visible light it would most likely be near-IR, perhaps 1064 nm. It's certainly possible to produce such light with reasonable efficiency, but difficult to achieve single mode output like you could with CO2 for higher power levels.

This would also address the question of such a weapon is legal under the rules of war: A weapon that is solely or mainly intend to maim but not kill enemy soldiers would be against the rules, but a weapon that only does so as a side effect would not be.

The question would be what it mainly does: if it's mostly used to set enemy objects on fire, that'd be legal, even if it blinded you when you somehow get hit specifically in the eyes.

This is a gray area though: something like a sniper rifle could also be used to maim but not kill enemy soldiers by shooting them in the legs or something like that. It's equally suitable to shoot them in the head to kill, but which tactic you use makes the final difference.

Seriously wounding enemy troops can be more effective than killing, you kill the enemy and that's easy for them to ignore for the moment as they keep pressing forward, but wound the enemy and they devote manpower and resource to his immediate medical care slowing down their advance.

We loved to use wp for it's ( smoke screen ) effects, it also has some " unintended effects " that work in our benefit, so what is a smoke screen used for ? To temporarily blind the enemy right ? And in war Germany thought our 12ga shotgun was cheating, the Chinese may be trying to blind our optical-electric sensors and an unintended effect is some troops could be only wounded although in a nasty way and no we are not at war but they may not see this as serious, after all no one is killed now are they, it's a dirty business and if we have to fight China we had better be ready able and willing to throw a lot of smoke screen because you can bet they will.

Something Trump is absolutely right about is his space force concept, we already use drones half way around the world controlled by satellite and there are a lot of other satellites and you can bet they will be targeted, lasers would be very useful if able to do the job, from web not including military systems:

Global navigation satellite system (GNSS)
1)NAVSTAR Global Positioning System (GPS) - USA 32 medium earth orbit satellites operations since 1978

2) GLONASS - Russian since 1995

3) Galilio - European Union - 30 MEO satellites some are operations since 2014, expected to be in full service till 2020

4)Beidou-2 - China, 30 MEO satellites, expanding current regional service into global by 2020

Regional satellite navigation system
1) Beidou-1 - China 16 satellites, covering Asia pacific since DEC 2012

2) NAVIC - India 7 satellites covering India, till today 28apr2016 all 7 satellites launched, soon it will be operational

3) QZSS - Japan 3 satellites system for Japan , first satellite launched in 2010

Encap said:

I'm telling you--they were trained in lasers and laser technology by the laserpointerpro marketing team guys.

PS FYI --to carbonize human flesh to a depth of 25 microns it takes a 20W CO2 laser with a 2mm dot and the same effect, carbonizing human flesh to a depth of 25 microns, with a Nd:YAG requires an 80W Nd:YAG with a 2mm dot ...

The Chinese quys who put that news release together were either trained by laserpointerpro or they are laserpointerpro escapees :crackup:

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:crackup::crackup:
I missed this post and should of saved your rep this one:beer:

Yes it's getting a little spooky Red..