FS: Full Colour Driver Extension for the White Fusion kit

FireMyLaser · 09-30-2009, 07:44 PM

I have been working on a full colour PWM driver similar to the one in my RGV-lab laser to fit inside a portable unit. The shape of the board will follow the shape of the White Fusion Kit to save space.

The extension will feature:
> 3x DDL drivers for the lasers - no additional drivers required!
> Multi-turn potentiometers to adjust the colour balance.
> The drivers will be adapted to your diodes with the proper current setting.
> 26 programs! Rainbow, strobe, colour wash, rambling, static colours and much more!
> Two button inputs to control programs with an home function to make it easier to use.
> Memory saves the program you were in last.
> 16 million+ possible colours - that's over nine thousand!
> Inbuilt spike and reverse voltage protection + bleeding resistors on all channels.
> Input voltage: 9-12V DC. 3x 4.2v batteries will be fine.
> Dimensions: 63 x 35 x 25mm.
> Works with 405nm or 445nm diodes!

The following max currents are available, if your red diode for example can take 420mA safe, you choose the nearest LOWER current (391mA). This this so you wont have to worry about over-doing the potentiometers on the board when adjusting your white balance. Though you may choose the highest currents and go through the trouble with a DMM if you want.
You choose one max value for each of your red, green and violet-or-blue laser, independently of course.

695mA --> Read!
449mA
391mA
367mA
350mA
309mA
267mA
265mA
250mA
208mA
183mA
166mA
125mA
110mA
99mA
83mA
(± the tolerance of the resistors/potentiometers)

The driver board:

With the White Fusion kit:

Here is a sample of what it can do with the old version (shows 4 of the programs), but the video hardly justifies it's awesome colours!

Time-Tunnel simulation! With *THIS* new updated version.

A few more examples:

A few colours:

Read >>> Casio 445nm

Tutorial:
RGV Driver Installation Tutorial

Also a big thank you to Diachi and Niko for helping out!

_________________________________________________

Price: 550 SEK (Swedish Krona) each including shipping. (this covers the Paypal fee, so don't add it)

Accessories:
2pcs momentary push buttons with red push caps: $1.50
3pcs insulation pads + bushings for the regulators: $1
(The accessories are mandatory for the function of the driver, but if you already have them there is no need to buy them from me)

If you want, I can solder all the wires to the driver for power, buttons and laser diodes in ~15cm length for $5. I only have a limited supply of wire, I will offer this till they run out.

Orders list round 2:
User name, How many pcs, R-G-B max current in mA's, Accessories:

Flaminpyro 5x R449 G695 B449 Shipped
Cheech 1x R449 G449 B449 + wires, buttons Shipped
tysonc1979 2x R449 G695 B449 + 2x wires, insulation kit Shipped
netwave 1x R449 G695 B695 Shipped
DjHeadie 1x RR449 G449 B449 + wires, buttons, insulation kit Shipped
hydrogenman15 1x R449 G695 B449 + wires, insulation kit Shipped
dieselmarine 1x R391 G449 B309 + wires, buttons Shipped
sherap 1x R449 G695 B449 + wires, buttons, insulation kit Shipped
wicked1 1x R449 G695 B449 + insulation kit Shipped
DjHeadie 1x...?

0 more drivers available, indefinitely.

By buying you understand that this driver may not be 100% safe and I am not responsible if of your diodes get damaged. I have done some hard testing and so far no diodes have died because of the driver.

Cheers!

robjdixon · 09-30-2009, 07:53 PM

How does the driver solve the problem of a case negative red, and a case positive green?

I'm interested BTW

diachi · 09-30-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robjdixon

How does the driver solve the problem of a case negative red, and a case positive green?

I'm interested BTW

It doesn't , it's not supposed to, and no electronic means really can. Thermally conductive electrically isolating pads do that

ZRTMWA · 09-30-2009, 07:59 PM

OMG! That looks awesome. The only concern I have is that jayrob noted he needed (or at least wanted) to use two 4.2V batteries for the O-like module becuase it drains batteries really fast, is this too much voltage if you had one 4.2 going to the red driver and one 4.2 going to the blu ray driver? I think this is a great idea!

diachi · 09-30-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZRTMWA

OMG! That looks awesome. The only concern I have is that jayrob noted he needed (or at least wanted) to use two 4.2V batteries for the O-like module becuase it drains batteries really fast, is this too much voltage if you had one 4.2 going to the red driver and one 4.2 going to the blu ray driver? I think this is a great idea!

The drivers are currently configured in paralell so they would all get the same voltage but at different PWM frequencies. one could use 3 4.2V lithiums with a third in parallel just to boost the capacity a bit.

EDIT: 4.2V is also too low for the BluRay driver as the voltage of the diode + the dropout voltage of the driver is closer to 7.5V

FireMyLaser · 09-30-2009, 08:09 PM

The green module needs to be wrapped around with a thin insulating material like shrink tube, tape or plastic with thermal grease. If it is done properly it will still construct enough heat to get a decent run-time.

@ ZRTMWA: this uses one common 9-12V power source only. It could be possible to add a power jack for mains power.

daguin · 10-01-2009, 01:04 AM

Can I spell, Y -E -S

Why yes I can

Not just yes, but HE11 YES

Peace,
dave

MISTERWILLING · 10-01-2009, 01:07 AM

I would be interested in one.

pullbangdead · 10-01-2009, 08:33 AM

YES. At $50 for all that? HECK YEAH!

HIMNL9 · 10-01-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireMyLaser

The green module needs to be wrapped around with a thin insulating material like shrink tube, tape or plastic with thermal grease.

Just a suggestion : polymide tape (in some countries is called Kapton tape).

It's extremely resistent (just don't punch it with fixing screws), decent heat conduction (sometimes is used in place of mica insulators, with thermal grease, on power transistors), and very thin, and being adhesive, it stay when you place it.

and not extremely high cost

DealExtreme: $4.20 Polyimide Heat Resistant/High Temperature Adhesive Tape (24MM*33M/260-C)

FireMyLaser · 10-01-2009, 02:47 PM

That looks perfect! Thanks.

sightfx · 10-02-2009, 12:42 PM

Awsome work!

Nice video too. Bet it looks awsome in person.

I insolate my mount on the green side of my kits by coating the mounting washer in JB weld. Works great and allows you to keep as much metal to metal contact from the module to the heat sink as you can. I still use past to cover the gaps.

EDIT: Here's a Pic of what I mean.

You just have to make sure there is a gap between the module and the mounting bolt.

Cheers,

SightFX

FireMyLaser · 10-02-2009, 01:34 PM

Wow it just keeps getting better!

You just have to be extra careful with the green module, there is allot of exposed metal conducting a positive charge that is very close to alot of negative conducting metal.

But the worst thing that could happen is that the green gets shorted to ground and just shuts off.

sightfx · 10-04-2009, 12:13 AM

It is close there isn't it. I will be insolating the metal close to the green heat sink on this build. You are correct about it being the positive conductor so contact would mean no limit on the current and puff. there is about 3mm of space there too but you can't be too careful.

With your driver that area would be filled by it so the batteries would go where my driver is now. I found some lipo bateries that should fit back there nicely. Can't wait to see your driver when it's finished. Is it analog input only or do some of the ICs have some controler modes of there own? In any case if a 5V regulator can be added then some thumb wheel pots can be used as voltage deviders so that people can safely dial in any color they like.

edit: OK I just read that the driver is TTL not analog mod so the 5V regulator wouldn't work like I mentioned.

Cheers,

Ryan

nikokapo · 10-05-2009, 02:22 AM

Nice, FML! I knew you'd go ahead with this

Whenever I get my internet back, expect LONGcat diachi+FML+Niko convos on MSN!!

FireMyLaser · 10-08-2009, 06:20 PM

Update: most of the parts have arrived but it might get delayed another week.

diachi · 10-08-2009, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikokapo

Nice, FML! I knew you'd go ahead with this

Whenever I get my internet back, expect LONGcat diachi+FML+Niko convos on MSN!!

SO much for that, hasn't even been on tonight!

Great work FML, looking forward to the proto being finished. When it's done I'll get to work on the proper board!

SHIN · 10-09-2009, 02:26 AM

Good job! Very interesting.

Yes! I'd like to get one.

SHIN

mfo · 10-09-2009, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikokapo

Nice, FML! I knew you'd go ahead with this

Whenever I get my internet back, expect LONGcat diachi+FML+Niko convos on MSN!!

At first I thought you were saying "Fuck My Life" lol.

Back on topic, this is awesome. One day I'm going to need to have a RGV laser, and this driver is definitely a win for it!

FireMyLaser · 10-09-2009, 09:07 PM

The prototype has been put together and is working. I can't say yet if the board will be sold on proto-boards or on factory made PCBs. I really hope I can have a company print them for me because proto-boards are such a headache. The prototype took all day to make and I just can't do a bunch of them this way

. If I make them on PCBs they will be a little smaller too.

This board got a little messy because it is a reused one, in case you're wondering.

I've testied it with an RGB LED with 350mA per channel.

3 x 1W LED emitters.

I will do allot of tests tomorrow on a PHR diode at 100mA for an extended time to see if it makes any problem. I no longer have any green or red lasers

. So far I've discovered that the LM317's get very hot quickly at 350mA/12V and will need heat sinking, so I'll have to make a solution for that. I'm using an outdated micro-chip so I wont bother posting a video till I get the newer version any day now I hope

Please leave feedback on what you think so far, how you think it will fit with the White Fusion kit etc. Ask questions!

FireMyLaser · 10-10-2009, 05:59 PM

Been running a PHR diode in a bare module @ 100mA all day without breaking a sweat! Again, please post feedback if you have the White Fusion kit, since I don't have one it is very hard to know if I'm on the right track.

pullbangdead · 10-10-2009, 06:32 PM

The board looks good, and glad it's working well. One thing though, would you possibly be selling it as a parts kit with a circuit diagram instead of assembled on a board?

FireMyLaser · 10-10-2009, 06:43 PM

With proto-boards there's no way you could assemble it yourself. On a scale from 1 to 10 in difficulty it's a 12. But if I can get the boards factory made, then it would be very possible.

pullbangdead · 10-11-2009, 01:20 AM

Alright.

So do you have a recommended host in mind? I see how the parts fit together, but I was hoping to be able to fit it into a clear box like the one that sightfx posted an image earlier. Just from comparing your drawing in the OP to his image, it doesn't quite look like the board would fit in his box, but it seems liek the components could be wrangled in there if one was careful. But if you are sizing the board to fit in a particular, fairly small, host, then that's all good.

jayrob · 10-11-2009, 05:56 AM

Please put me on the list for one of your awesome drivers!

Nice video!

09-30-2009, 07:44 PM	#1
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	FS: Full Colour Driver Extension for the White Fusion kit I have been working on a full colour PWM driver similar to the one in my RGV-lab laser to fit inside a portable unit. The shape of the board will follow the shape of the White Fusion Kit to save space. The extension will feature: > 3x DDL drivers for the lasers - no additional drivers required! > Multi-turn potentiometers to adjust the colour balance. > The drivers will be adapted to your diodes with the proper current setting. > 26 programs! Rainbow, strobe, colour wash, rambling, static colours and much more! > Two button inputs to control programs with an home function to make it easier to use. > Memory saves the program you were in last. > 16 million+ possible colours - that's over nine thousand! > Inbuilt spike and reverse voltage protection + bleeding resistors on all channels. > Input voltage: 9-12V DC. 3x 4.2v batteries will be fine. > Dimensions: 63 x 35 x 25mm. > Works with 405nm or 445nm diodes! The following max currents are available, if your red diode for example can take 420mA safe, you choose the nearest LOWER current (391mA). This this so you wont have to worry about over-doing the potentiometers on the board when adjusting your white balance. Though you may choose the highest currents and go through the trouble with a DMM if you want. You choose one max value for each of your red, green and violet-or-blue laser, independently of course. 695mA --> Read! 449mA 391mA 367mA 350mA 309mA 267mA 265mA 250mA 208mA 183mA 166mA 125mA 110mA 99mA 83mA (± the tolerance of the resistors/potentiometers) The driver board: With the White Fusion kit: Here is a sample of what it can do with the old version (shows 4 of the programs), but the video hardly justifies it's awesome colours! Time-Tunnel simulation! With THIS new updated version. A few more examples: A few colours: Read >>> Casio 445nm Tutorial: RGV Driver Installation Tutorial Also a big thank you to Diachi and Niko for helping out! _________________________________________________ Price: 550 SEK (Swedish Krona) each including shipping. (this covers the Paypal fee, so don't add it) Accessories: 2pcs momentary push buttons with red push caps: $1.50 3pcs insulation pads + bushings for the regulators: $1 (The accessories are mandatory for the function of the driver, but if you already have them there is no need to buy them from me) If you want, I can solder all the wires to the driver for power, buttons and laser diodes in ~15cm length for $5. I only have a limited supply of wire, I will offer this till they run out. Orders list round 2: User name, How many pcs, R-G-B max current in mA's, Accessories: Flaminpyro 5x R449 G695 B449 Shipped Cheech 1x R449 G449 B449 + wires, buttons Shipped tysonc1979 2x R449 G695 B449 + 2x wires, insulation kit Shipped netwave 1x R449 G695 B695 Shipped DjHeadie 1x RR449 G449 B449 + wires, buttons, insulation kit Shipped hydrogenman15 1x R449 G695 B449 + wires, insulation kit Shipped dieselmarine 1x R391 G449 B309 + wires, buttons Shipped sherap 1x R449 G695 B449 + wires, buttons, insulation kit Shipped wicked1 1x R449 G695 B449 + insulation kit Shipped DjHeadie 1x...? 0 more drivers available, indefinitely. By buying you understand that this driver may not be 100% safe and I am not responsible if of your diodes get damaged. I have done some hard testing and so far no diodes have died because of the driver. Cheers! __________________ Niko likes cereal. Last edited by FireMyLaser; 01-15-2011 at 12:26 AM.

09-30-2009, 07:53 PM	#2
robjdixon Class 3R Laser Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Norfolk, Uk Posts: 2,370 Rep Power: 135	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit How does the driver solve the problem of a case negative red, and a case positive green? I'm interested BTW __________________ Bender is back!

09-30-2009, 07:59 PM	#4
ZRTMWA Class 3R Laser Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,326 Rep Power: 22	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit OMG! That looks awesome. The only concern I have is that jayrob noted he needed (or at least wanted) to use two 4.2V batteries for the O-like module becuase it drains batteries really fast, is this too much voltage if you had one 4.2 going to the red driver and one 4.2 going to the blu ray driver? I think this is a great idea!

09-30-2009, 08:09 PM	#6
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit The green module needs to be wrapped around with a thin insulating material like shrink tube, tape or plastic with thermal grease. If it is done properly it will still construct enough heat to get a decent run-time. @ ZRTMWA: this uses one common 9-12V power source only. It could be possible to add a power jack for mains power. __________________ Niko likes cereal.

10-01-2009, 01:04 AM	#7
daguin Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunny Southern California Posts: 16,109 Rep Power: 621	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Can I spell, Y -E -S Why yes I can Not just yes, but HE11 YES Peace, dave __________________ How To Get Along In and Be Accepted in the Forum Are you looking for a small-frame, air-cooled argon laser? CLICK ME If you got some value out of reading this forum, how about donating $2 to keep it going? Click Here to donate Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none. -William Shakespeare

10-01-2009, 01:07 AM	#8
MISTERWILLING Class 2 Laser Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 356 Rep Power: 11	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit I would be interested in one. __________________ 5x Daedel DVD 22x Diodes 5x B0323 Blu-ray Diodes 2x 8x Blu-ray burner diodes 2x O-like 5~10mW green O-like 120~150mW green Custom machining available misterwilling@gmail.com Rog's 7 color pocket spiro: In Progress

10-01-2009, 08:33 AM	#9
pullbangdead Class 3R Laser Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,046 Rep Power: 181	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit YES. At $50 for all that? HECK YEAH!

10-01-2009, 02:47 PM	#11
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit That looks perfect! Thanks. __________________ Niko likes cereal.

10-02-2009, 12:42 PM	#12
sightfx Class 2 Laser Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montana USA /Alberta Canada Posts: 480 Rep Power: 17	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Awsome work! Nice video too. Bet it looks awsome in person. I insolate my mount on the green side of my kits by coating the mounting washer in JB weld. Works great and allows you to keep as much metal to metal contact from the module to the heat sink as you can. I still use past to cover the gaps. EDIT: Here's a Pic of what I mean. You just have to make sure there is a gap between the module and the mounting bolt. Cheers, SightFX __________________ FS: White Fusion Laser Mixing Kit Last edited by sightfx; 10-02-2009 at 01:00 PM.

10-02-2009, 01:34 PM	#13
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Wow it just keeps getting better! You just have to be extra careful with the green module, there is allot of exposed metal conducting a positive charge that is very close to alot of negative conducting metal. But the worst thing that could happen is that the green gets shorted to ground and just shuts off. __________________ Niko likes cereal.

10-04-2009, 12:13 AM	#14
sightfx Class 2 Laser Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montana USA /Alberta Canada Posts: 480 Rep Power: 17	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit It is close there isn't it. I will be insolating the metal close to the green heat sink on this build. You are correct about it being the positive conductor so contact would mean no limit on the current and puff. there is about 3mm of space there too but you can't be too careful. With your driver that area would be filled by it so the batteries would go where my driver is now. I found some lipo bateries that should fit back there nicely. Can't wait to see your driver when it's finished. Is it analog input only or do some of the ICs have some controler modes of there own? In any case if a 5V regulator can be added then some thumb wheel pots can be used as voltage deviders so that people can safely dial in any color they like. edit: OK I just read that the driver is TTL not analog mod so the 5V regulator wouldn't work like I mentioned. Cheers, Ryan __________________ FS: White Fusion Laser Mixing Kit Last edited by sightfx; 10-04-2009 at 12:22 AM.

10-05-2009, 02:22 AM	#15
nikokapo Cereal Eater Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Argentina Posts: 6,341 Rep Power: 281	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Nice, FML! I knew you'd go ahead with this Whenever I get my internet back, expect LONGcat diachi+FML+Niko convos on MSN!!

10-08-2009, 06:20 PM	#16
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Update: most of the parts have arrived but it might get delayed another week. __________________ Niko likes cereal.

10-09-2009, 02:26 AM	#18
SHIN Class 1M Laser Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Seoul Posts: 207 Rep Power: 7	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Good job! Very interesting. Yes! I'd like to get one. SHIN __________________ DIY pen - LOC 260mW(420mA), BH08 370mW(308mA), Green 130mW DIY P60 - LOC 320mW(450mA), BDR205 730mW(510mA), 808nm 1.3W(1750mA), A140 1.9W(1.8A), Green 210mW LPM - Kenometer Lite

10-09-2009, 09:07 PM	#20
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit The prototype has been put together and is working. I can't say yet if the board will be sold on proto-boards or on factory made PCBs. I really hope I can have a company print them for me because proto-boards are such a headache. The prototype took all day to make and I just can't do a bunch of them this way . If I make them on PCBs they will be a little smaller too. This board got a little messy because it is a reused one, in case you're wondering. I've testied it with an RGB LED with 350mA per channel. 3 x 1W LED emitters. I will do allot of tests tomorrow on a PHR diode at 100mA for an extended time to see if it makes any problem. I no longer have any green or red lasers . So far I've discovered that the LM317's get very hot quickly at 350mA/12V and will need heat sinking, so I'll have to make a solution for that. I'm using an outdated micro-chip so I wont bother posting a video till I get the newer version any day now I hope Please leave feedback on what you think so far, how you think it will fit with the White Fusion kit etc. Ask questions! __________________ Niko likes cereal. Last edited by FireMyLaser; 10-17-2009 at 03:40 PM.

10-11-2009, 05:56 AM	#25
jayrob Class 4 Laser Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern CA, U.S. Astrophotography! (Some of my Photos) Posts: 9,486 Rep Power: 438	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Please put me on the list for one of your awesome drivers! Nice video! __________________ Personal lasers: (just a few - too many to list) RPL 425, Sypder III Krypton, RPL 35 (473), GLP-473, GLP-593.5, HeNe 632.8, Many DIY 445, red, blu-ray, green, 635, and 450 builds... Looking for a DIY kit? Take a look at some of my more popular kits linked in color... * FS: 405-G-1 Glass Lens Mod for Blu-ray! 31% increase in power vs AixiZ acrylic! * FS: New! 1000 Lumen XM-L U3 Maglite Modification With Voltage Monitor! - Parts or Complete Light! Must see! * FS: Polished Stainless Steel Green Kit! Easy assembly in minutes! * FS: Large Maglite Monster Kits! Side Button Forward Clicky! Custom Head Option! Gnarly... Click here for a list of my build kits! Projects and tutorials too!

10-10-2009, 05:59 PM	#21
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Been running a PHR diode in a bare module @ 100mA all day without breaking a sweat! Again, please post feedback if you have the White Fusion kit, since I don't have one it is very hard to know if I'm on the right track. __________________ Niko likes cereal.

10-10-2009, 06:32 PM	#22
pullbangdead Class 3R Laser Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,046 Rep Power: 181	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit The board looks good, and glad it's working well. One thing though, would you possibly be selling it as a parts kit with a circuit diagram instead of assembled on a board?

10-10-2009, 06:43 PM	#23
FireMyLaser Class 3B Laser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,800 Rep Power: 164	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit With proto-boards there's no way you could assemble it yourself. On a scale from 1 to 10 in difficulty it's a 12. But if I can get the boards factory made, then it would be very possible. __________________ Niko likes cereal.

10-11-2009, 01:20 AM	#24
pullbangdead Class 3R Laser Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,046 Rep Power: 181	Re: Feeler: full colour driver extension for the White Fusion kit Alright. So do you have a recommended host in mind? I see how the parts fit together, but I was hoping to be able to fit it into a clear box like the one that sightfx posted an image earlier. Just from comparing your drawing in the OP to his image, it doesn't quite look like the board would fit in his box, but it seems liek the components could be wrangled in there if one was careful. But if you are sizing the board to fit in a particular, fairly small, host, then that's all good.

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