Oh crap, a really mean Canadian

TheReddish said:

We are animals, do you take a lion that kills and eats ppl and torture them, nope you put him down.

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Just noticed this.. The lion doesn't know better. The guy who knifes you over a wallet
does.

The guy that sexually assaults a 10yr kid, then murders and dumps the body, also knows.
Case in point, Michael Rafferty. As normal as one can be, but a sexual deviant.

Perhaps a poor decision on his part to say the least, but they deserve to pay for the pain
that victim suffered, and the suffering of their family. The perpetrator deserves
no mercy with a hanus crime, and deserve to feel that same pain and fear just
before you shut them off.

If it makes you feel better, you could call it interrogation for the truth so the living relatives
have a full explanation as to why their loved one was tortured by rape and killed. Either way, it serves a useful purpose.

As seen in some documentaries some people kill for the rush, not because they are mentally ill, but because they like it. When they are caught they are locked up for life or put on death row for a long time and guess who pays for all of that? We do, the tax payers. If these criminals we tortured or put to death quicker it would probably change things and discourage idiots from killing.
With todays society that's wrong to execute murders and rapists (in some states) and I think that's wrong. The prisons are over crowded and something needs to change. They need harsher penalties and more executions. Some murders and rapists get off because of a technicality, because someone screwed up obtaining evidence. The system is screwed up[.

HAHA I am not disagreeing that we should kill them, I took off the animal thing because it was covered in another post, and I am not a fan of redundancy, just no torture, no virtual hell, I have 0 issue taking a human life if need be. Life feeds on life and their is nothing I can do about that except make a energy to matter converter than I still need energy and some ass will prove that its alive and then we are just screwed.

So Reddish You don't think we should not fight violence with violence? What about Turkey when you steal something they will lop off your hand. It seems to work for them you don't see a lot of handless people walking around. If it stops even one senseless murder or rape I think it's worth it. We need to have a good deterrent to slow down the madness. We as a people are getting to desensitized and to dam lazy to stand up against this ever growing problem.

"These type of people" have existed for millenia. Read through history telling tales of even more horrific acts by men. Society will deal with it within it's laws. Sometimes unjustly to vengeance.
Hatred begets hatred.

I think lopping the hands off a thief makes it to were he will never be able to work, you would not steal to feed your kid? We are a transient species I hope we overcome our violent ways. Do not we suffer to much already that we need to create more?

I saw someone get publicly caned for chewing gum and even public execution for smoking weed, that does not make these unjust laws correct, they are barbaric IMO

TheReddish said:

I think lopping the hands off a thief makes it to were he will never be able to work, you would not steal to feed your kid? We are a transient species I hope we overcome our violent ways. Do not we suffer to much already that we need to create more?

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Well what we are doing now is NOT solving the problem now is it. Yes lopping off hands is a bit extreme but like I said their not many people with only one hand because of it. Great deterrent I believe so. As far as feeding your kids their are other ways to do it besides stealing. I do agree violence is not the answer but how long do you think it will take before the sickos get the message and slow their roll. It will never stop but it would be nice to slow it down.

I wish their was someway they could switch places inside the persons life they destroyed or could feel the pain of the victims family, that is one of the reasons we still cling to religion after all this time, I may not have the answers I am just saying if you torture someone who is the sicko now?


I think physiology is still in the dark ages but with newer tech comes the possibility of correcting issues like this before they cause an issue, nip it in the bud so to speak.


It may be an invasion of privacy but its not torture. :tinfoil:

TheReddish said:

I saw someone get publicly caned for chewing gum and even public execution for smoking weed, that does not make these unjust laws correct, they are barbaric IMO

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That's not what's being discussed. Those laws are barbaric. Killing a sick, twisted murderer in a similar fashion to the way he/she killed their victims is only right I think. No one is talking about petty crimes here, we're talking about deranged lunatics who kill for fun or some other gratification. They are not recoverable or fixable, nor are they worth the effort of trying.

The Canadians should re-introduced the guillotine for such cases.

ElektroFreak said:

That's not what's being discussed. Those laws are barbaric. Killing a sick, twisted murderer in a similar fashion to the way he/she killed their victims is only right I think. No one is talking about petty crimes here, we're talking about deranged lunatics who kill for fun or some other gratification. They are not recoverable or fixable, nor are they worth the effort of trying.

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The only reason to cause them to suffer if for your own gratification, if you have to kill them it should be quick, vengeance is BS, if you want to save ppl just off them, but once again torture? WHY? How do you know they are not fixable or recoverable, do you know some personally or have a degree in psychology? You have no idea why they tick like they tick, and neither do I.

It would not stop one violent crazy person, they are crazy after all or lack morals and some lack any fear. Torture is illegal for a reason. Sinking to the level of a murderer or rapist, would make you a murderer or rapist.

They shot the zombie dude but say he lived, do you think the victim should eat off his face to get even? or do we need someone person to perform this job, who in their right mind would do it.

Blord said:

The Canadians should re-introduced the guillotine for such cases.

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Hey, I kind of like this!!

I think a Taliban style beheading is in order for this guy.
Ship him off to Riyadh الرياض "Deera square" to face the sword.

Not to be pro-sharia, in cases like this, Sharia law in Saudi Arabia has the best solution, though in our western eyes it is unbelievably barbaric...

I can't imagine what the victims family has gone through known this was videotaped.

TheReddish said:

The only reason to cause them to suffer if for your own gratification, if you have to kill them it should be quick, vengeance is BS, if you want to save ppl just off them, but once again torture? WHY? How do you know they are not fixable or recoverable, do you know some personally or have a degree in psychology? You have no idea why they tick like they tick, and neither do I.

It would not stop one violent crazy person, they are crazy after all or lack morals and some lack any fear. Torture is illegal for a reason. Sinking to the level of a murderer or rapist, would make you a murderer or rapist.

They shot the zombie dude but say he lived, do you think the victim should eat off his face to get even? or do we need someone person to perform this job, who in their right mind would do it.

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I absolutely disagree with your position regarding these kinds of criminals lacking fear. They don't lack fear. They would be afraid of excrutiating pain, anguish, suffering. BUT that's all they would be afraid of in many cases which is why I'm a proponent of extreme crimes having similarly extreme punishments.

I've already said that I have no problem being the one to administer such punishment and I'm sure I'm not alone... NOT because I would find it fun or enjoyable, but because I truly belive that a policy of punishment for heinous, disgusting murder that incorporates anything less has been proven to have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on people who are considering similar acts.. and they are out there. So you see, what's happening here is that I and many others don't share your warm fuzzy idea of how sick, violent criminals should be dealt with. For me it's about the lack of concern that these pieces of filth show for their victims and even more than that it's about doing whatever is necessary to have the biggest impact on preventing future sickos from carrying out their fantasies. It's a matter of personal values I guess. I'm tired of morons padding punishments because they're oh-so-concerned with the welfare of human garbage. Let's pad all of life with fluffiness and rainbows while we're at it, that way each and every dipshit out there has an equal opportunity to do squat with their lives, be a lowlife criminal and never have to experience any real consequences for their actions. Sounds like a brilliant fucking plan! That policy has been enacted worldwide and we see all the time how it's helping rofl..

ElektroFreak said:

I've already said that I have no problem being the one to administer such punishment... NOT because I would find it fun or enjoyable, but because I truly belive that a policy of punishment for heinous, disgusting murder that incorporates anything less has been proven to have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on people who are considering similar acts.. and they are out there. So you see, what's happening here is that I and many others don't share your warm fuzzy idea of how sick, violent criminals should be dealt with. For me it's about the lack of concern that these pieces of filth show for their victims and even more than that it's about doing whatever is necessary to have the biggest impact on preventing future all those future sickos from carrying out their fantasies. It's a matter of personal values I guess. I'm tired of morons padding punishments because they're oh-so-concerned with the welfare of human garbage. Let's pad all of life with fluffiness and rainbows while we're at it, that way each and every dipshit out there has an equal opportunity to do squat with their lives, be a lowlife criminal and never have to experience any real consequences for their actions.

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your talking of padded punishment and rainbows, I am talking about a bullet to the brain, I killed a person with a hammer, I wake up every night in a cold sweat, I get check. If you could do what I did and be ok with it, IMO your sick. I was defending myself not torturing someone. I will never agree to the torture of a human or animal for vengeance, and you have no proof it would help at all from curbing future violent crimes.

That's you, NOT me. I don't share your concerns at all, you're gonna have to accept that. And no, I don't have proof to support my side. But I DO have proof that showing such regard for filth doesn't work or help in the slightest. Time for different methods IMO.