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Old 06-19-2012, 04:09 AM   #51
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HAHA I am not disagreeing that we should kill them, I took off the animal thing because it was covered in another post, and I am not a fan of redundancy, just no torture, no virtual hell, I have 0 issue taking a human life if need be. Life feeds on life and their is nothing I can do about that except make a energy to matter converter than I still need energy and some ass will prove that its alive and then we are just screwed.
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So Reddish You don't think we should not fight violence with violence? What about Turkey when you steal something they will lop off your hand. It seems to work for them you don't see a lot of handless people walking around. If it stops even one senseless murder or rape I think it's worth it. We need to have a good deterrent to slow down the madness. We as a people are getting to desensitized and to dam lazy to stand up against this ever growing problem.
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"These type of people" have existed for millenia. Read through history telling tales of even more horrific acts by men. Society will deal with it within it's laws. Sometimes unjustly to vengeance.
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I think lopping the hands off a thief makes it to were he will never be able to work, you would not steal to feed your kid? We are a transient species I hope we overcome our violent ways. Do not we suffer to much already that we need to create more?
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I saw someone get publicly caned for chewing gum and even public execution for smoking weed, that does not make these unjust laws correct, they are barbaric IMO
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I think lopping the hands off a thief makes it to were he will never be able to work, you would not steal to feed your kid? We are a transient species I hope we overcome our violent ways. Do not we suffer to much already that we need to create more?
Well what we are doing now is NOT solving the problem now is it. Yes lopping off hands is a bit extreme but like I said their not many people with only one hand because of it. Great deterrent I believe so. As far as feeding your kids their are other ways to do it besides stealing. I do agree violence is not the answer but how long do you think it will take before the sickos get the message and slow their roll. It will never stop but it would be nice to slow it down.
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I wish their was someway they could switch places inside the persons life they destroyed or could feel the pain of the victims family, that is one of the reasons we still cling to religion after all this time, I may not have the answers I am just saying if you torture someone who is the sicko now?


I think physiology is still in the dark ages but with newer tech comes the possibility of correcting issues like this before they cause an issue, nip it in the bud so to speak.


It may be an invasion of privacy but its not torture.
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That's not what's being discussed. Those laws are barbaric. Killing a sick, twisted murderer in a similar fashion to the way he/she killed their victims is only right I think. No one is talking about petty crimes here, we're talking about deranged lunatics who kill for fun or some other gratification. They are not recoverable or fixable, nor are they worth the effort of trying.
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The Canadians should re-introduced the guillotine for such cases.

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That's not what's being discussed. Those laws are barbaric. Killing a sick, twisted murderer in a similar fashion to the way he/she killed their victims is only right I think. No one is talking about petty crimes here, we're talking about deranged lunatics who kill for fun or some other gratification. They are not recoverable or fixable, nor are they worth the effort of trying.
The only reason to cause them to suffer if for your own gratification, if you have to kill them it should be quick, vengeance is BS, if you want to save ppl just off them, but once again torture? WHY? How do you know they are not fixable or recoverable, do you know some personally or have a degree in psychology? You have no idea why they tick like they tick, and neither do I.

It would not stop one violent crazy person, they are crazy after all or lack morals and some lack any fear. Torture is illegal for a reason. Sinking to the level of a murderer or rapist, would make you a murderer or rapist.

They shot the zombie dude but say he lived, do you think the victim should eat off his face to get even? or do we need someone person to perform this job, who in their right mind would do it.

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Hey, I kind of like this!!

I think a Taliban style beheading is in order for this guy.
Ship him off to Riyadh الرياض "Deera square" to face the sword.

Not to be pro-sharia, in cases like this, Sharia law in Saudi Arabia has the best solution, though in our western eyes it is unbelievably barbaric...

I can't imagine what the victims family has gone through known this was videotaped.
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The only reason to cause them to suffer if for your own gratification, if you have to kill them it should be quick, vengeance is BS, if you want to save ppl just off them, but once again torture? WHY? How do you know they are not fixable or recoverable, do you know some personally or have a degree in psychology? You have no idea why they tick like they tick, and neither do I.

It would not stop one violent crazy person, they are crazy after all or lack morals and some lack any fear. Torture is illegal for a reason. Sinking to the level of a murderer or rapist, would make you a murderer or rapist.

They shot the zombie dude but say he lived, do you think the victim should eat off his face to get even? or do we need someone person to perform this job, who in their right mind would do it.
I absolutely disagree with your position regarding these kinds of criminals lacking fear. They don't lack fear. They would be afraid of excrutiating pain, anguish, suffering. BUT that's all they would be afraid of in many cases which is why I'm a proponent of extreme crimes having similarly extreme punishments.

I've already said that I have no problem being the one to administer such punishment and I'm sure I'm not alone... NOT because I would find it fun or enjoyable, but because I truly belive that a policy of punishment for heinous, disgusting murder that incorporates anything less has been proven to have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on people who are considering similar acts.. and they are out there. So you see, what's happening here is that I and many others don't share your warm fuzzy idea of how sick, violent criminals should be dealt with. For me it's about the lack of concern that these pieces of filth show for their victims and even more than that it's about doing whatever is necessary to have the biggest impact on preventing future sickos from carrying out their fantasies. It's a matter of personal values I guess. I'm tired of morons padding punishments because they're oh-so-concerned with the welfare of human garbage. Let's pad all of life with fluffiness and rainbows while we're at it, that way each and every dipshit out there has an equal opportunity to do squat with their lives, be a lowlife criminal and never have to experience any real consequences for their actions. Sounds like a brilliant fucking plan! That policy has been enacted worldwide and we see all the time how it's helping rofl..
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I've already said that I have no problem being the one to administer such punishment... NOT because I would find it fun or enjoyable, but because I truly belive that a policy of punishment for heinous, disgusting murder that incorporates anything less has been proven to have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on people who are considering similar acts.. and they are out there. So you see, what's happening here is that I and many others don't share your warm fuzzy idea of how sick, violent criminals should be dealt with. For me it's about the lack of concern that these pieces of filth show for their victims and even more than that it's about doing whatever is necessary to have the biggest impact on preventing future all those future sickos from carrying out their fantasies. It's a matter of personal values I guess. I'm tired of morons padding punishments because they're oh-so-concerned with the welfare of human garbage. Let's pad all of life with fluffiness and rainbows while we're at it, that way each and every dipshit out there has an equal opportunity to do squat with their lives, be a lowlife criminal and never have to experience any real consequences for their actions.
your talking of padded punishment and rainbows, I am talking about a bullet to the brain, I killed a person with a hammer, I wake up every night in a cold sweat, I get check. If you could do what I did and be ok with it, IMO your sick. I was defending myself not torturing someone. I will never agree to the torture of a human or animal for vengeance, and you have no proof it would help at all from curbing future violent crimes.
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That's you, NOT me. I don't share your concerns at all, you're gonna have to accept that. And no, I don't have proof to support my side. But I DO have proof that showing such regard for filth doesn't work or help in the slightest. Time for different methods IMO.
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I absolutely disagree with your position regarding these kinds of criminals lacking fear. They don't lack fear. They would be afraid of excrutiating pain, anguish, suffering. BUT that's all they would be afraid of in many cases which is why I'm a proponent of extreme crimes having similarly extreme punishments.

I've already said that I have no problem being the one to administer such punishment and I'm sure I'm not alone... NOT because I would find it fun or enjoyable, but because I truly belive that a policy of punishment for heinous, disgusting murder that incorporates anything less has been proven to have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on people who are considering similar acts.. and they are out there. So you see, what's happening here is that I and many others don't share your warm fuzzy idea of how sick, violent criminals should be dealt with. For me it's about the lack of concern that these pieces of filth show for their victims and even more than that it's about doing whatever is necessary to have the biggest impact on preventing future sickos from carrying out their fantasies. It's a matter of personal values I guess. I'm tired of morons padding punishments because they're oh-so-concerned with the welfare of human garbage. Let's pad all of life with fluffiness and rainbows while we're at it, that way each and every dipshit out there has an equal opportunity to do squat with their lives, be a lowlife criminal and never have to experience any real consequences for their actions.
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Totally remorseless and proven to be completely disconnected at all levels of his impact on others. Sociopathic / Psychopathic behaviour. In this case I believe this individual in question could be found to be Psychotic.
He is without a doubt a danger to re-offend.
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I guess we agree to disagree then, to me its funny, what you talk about can and will happen in some parts of the world, they are also the parts of the world that are the most violent and war torn. Murder is one of the least common way to die at least in the US. Very crazy mass murder is extremely rare. PPl that really go overboard like some SAW movie crap are never heard of.

also I never said a common criminal lack fear, I am talking about the ones that fall under mass murder serial killer mindset.

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Would you really want to create a virtual hell? I mean stop and think, you want to be the virtual devil????
Yes, and no.

If I had to though, I would be the "virtual devil" though.

As has been mentioned above, and backed up numerous through research, life in prison, and the death penalty, as they are now implemented in "civil" society just aren't sufficient deterrents.

I mean think about it. No matter the crime, no matter how heinous, the absolute worst that will happen is the offenders death.

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I agree something should be done, I just have no solutions yet that would work, I doubt this would work either. In the future I really do think this will no longer happen as its a defect we will weed out at birth, we would have to make many advances in tech to pull it off, but a virtual hell is not around the corner either. :P
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The only reason to cause them to suffer if for your own gratification, if you have to kill them it should be quick, vengeance is BS, if you want to save ppl just off them, but once again torture? WHY? How do you know they are not fixable or recoverable, do you know some personally or have a degree in psychology? You have no idea why they tick like they tick, and neither do I.
Wrong.... It is to put enough fear in the minds of a potential
premeditated murderers that they reflects that it might not be
worth the the punishment.

It has nothing to do with gratification or vengeance...
It has to do with making an example for the next "monster"...

I say stick them on a pointed stick until they stop squirming
and breathing... And it should be done publicly to make sure
the wannabe deviants know what's waiting for them..

You sound like you float 12" off the ground and everyone is
beautiful with no bad intentions... That's probably the way it
is in a fairytale...

This is a reality check... Wake up and smell the coffee...
Get out of your room and see the evil that is going on
in the world to day. Not everyone can or should be saved
to do it again...

When I was a kid I never got in trouble with the cops because
I had a healthy fear of my Father. He taught me that if I did
anything wrong I'd get a beating.. It only took one beating
to straighten me out..


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Wrong.... It is to put enough fear in the minds of a potential
premeditated murderers that they reflects that it might not be
worth the the punishment.

It has nothing to do with gratification or vengeance...
It has to do with making an example for the next "monster"...

I say stick them on a pointed stick until they stop squirming
and breathing... And it should be done publicly to make sure
the wannabe deviants know what's waiting for them..

You sound like you float 12" off the ground and everyone is
beautiful with no bad intentions... That's probably the way it
is in a fairytale...

This is a reality check... Wake up and smell the coffee...
Get out of your room and see the evil that is going on
in the world to day. Not everyone can or should be saved
to do it again...

When I was a kid I never got in trouble with the cops because
I had a healthy fear of my Father. He taught me that if I did
anything wrong I'd get a beating.. It only took one beating
to straighten me out..


Jerry
OK, Well I can tell you this, I never said anything fairy tale like, I never said anything cute, I have taken my fair share of life, and I hated every moment of it, see what evil?, drunk drivers, corrupt governments, bad business ethics, sure, but you wake up and realize mass murder is a rare thing, you have a better chance of being killed by sniffing glue. Your fear of your father are you for real? how is comparing you and your dad to someone like Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer make sense? You cannot ever make me believe we should torture criminals, sorry its not going to happen, I do not float off the ground I am a blown up war vet that has seen all the suffering he ever wants to see or afflict on others.
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When I was a kid I never got in trouble with the cops because
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Unfortunately nowadays that's considered child abuse.
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The fact that mass murder is rare would also mean that a harsh punishment for it would be rare. I'm not talking about punishing all crime with such harsh methods, only the rarest and most despicable.

TheReddish: Your life's experience means you're spent on violence, and I understand that. That doesn't apply to everyone. If I took a life in the process of saving my own or someone else's I wouldn't lose sleep I don't think. Not having been there, I don't know for sure how I would react afterwords.. but whenever I hear of someone being killed because they did something stupid the first thing I think sure isn't "Oh dear, that poor idiot criminal got shot, whatever is the world coming to".. No. Instead I think "good riddance". Their life has NO value to me whatsoever if it's going to be spent inflicting pain and suffering on others.
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I agree something should be done, I just have no solutions yet that would work, I doubt this would work either. In the future I really do think this will no longer happen as its a defect we will weed out at birth, we would have to make many advances in tech to pull it off, but a virtual hell is not around the corner either. :P
There's a WHOLE BUNCH of religious folks out there that are against the idea of genetic engineering, even if it's for good. For them it's about their belief that their God is the only enitity that can have that kind of influence. I would back the idea of weeding out such defects, but it isn't likely to happen any time soon because of religion.
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I just want to point out if prison is not working, why has violent crimes gone down sharply since 1993? evolution?
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Unfortunately nowadays that's considered child abuse.
And that is where a large problem lies...
Kids today are too coddled by society..

In the past it was the Parents who were responsible
for taking care and bringing up their children to be
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I am glad that my parents brought me up that way...
It made me an honest respectful and law abiding man...
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