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What will it be like when the first battle field laser makes its first kill

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so as laser get smaller and more powerful the day is close when there will be a {BFTLR} [battle field tactical laser rifle] and when that first guy takes the hit what do you see happening ? i see a hole that you can look thought and little or no blood . or if the laser can stay on longer then a pules i see body parts all over the ground , what do you think it will be like on the business end of a laser rifle ?
 

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I would rather not want laser rifles around if they existed. They would have an infinite range, making a miss very deadly to those many miles away. I'm happy w/ my 7.62*54R mosin nagant.
 
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Who cares about guns? When will we have laser swords? ... Not wicked lasers weak ass 1w either! Lol
 

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so as laser get smaller and more powerful the day is close when there will be a {BFTLR} [battle field tactical laser rifle] and when that first guy takes the hit what do you see happening ? i see a hole that you can look thought and little or no blood . or if the laser can stay on longer then a pules i see body parts all over the ground , what do you think it will be like on the business end of a laser rifle ?
From what I have heard it will never happen as long as we abide by the Geneva Convention. I have heard lasers are banned for use against living targets on the battlefield.
 

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well we have a laser cannon used to shoot down missiles.
If it were turned to a human target the results would be very wrong.
A laser weapon would burn its way threw you. yes with enough power it could be an instant kill as it burns a hole threw your brain but it would take alot of power.
The more likely use would be to "melt your face off" it would just melt your skin rendering you in so much pain that you would go into shock and then bleed to death.
I would think it very hard to get a laser to have no divergence and a beam so thin and powerful that it could melt threw a human skull the same as a bullet.
Yes they would have a greater range but we are having bullets that are "smart"
They know the distance to their target and can even adjust for certain factors.
But they must be input before firing for things like wind, or other environmental problems.
Laser swords wont ever happen you will only be getting plasma swords.
As we have plasma windows "force fields" but they are very small and need huge amounts of power.
To think of a laser as a weapons its not super useful considering the amount of power needed to generate a beam of light to burrow its way threw your skull.
We would need a power source kinda like iron man to make it even feasible for use as a weapon.
For now they will stay mounted to ships and planes.
And our front line soldiers will be using bullets.
Better than bullets are small autonomous rockets, they shoot like a bullet but have on board guidance and correction.
 

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Lasers will be great for blinding soldiers, that is why they are banned.

Better than bullets are small autonomous rockets, they shoot like a bullet but have on board guidance and correction.
Executioner rounds for shotguns. :D (Warhammer 40K)
 
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From what I have heard it will never happen as long as we abide by the Geneva Convention. I have heard lasers are banned for use against living targets on the battlefield.
That would be great. Unfortunately some countries don't abide by it. Luckily those countries that don't are far enough behind that they aren't going to develop anything like that any time soon.

Lasers as weapons are scary. We already have them as defensive weapons, which is good for us.

Thinking about it though, it would probably be best to get shot with a laser than a bullet.
Bullets are very destructive and rip everything apart as they enter the body cavity. Lasers would be a clean hole, and even cauterize the wound as it causes it. As long as it misses your major organs and body systems, I would assume it would be very easily survivable.
This is assuming the beams are like the ones we use or around the diameter of a bullet......not a foot wide beam
 

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I would rather not want laser rifles around if they existed. They would have an infinite range, making a miss very deadly to those many miles away. I'm happy w/ my 7.62*54R mosin nagant.
Even if you hit someone, I'd imagine it would go right through and keep on going hitting whatever is behind that person.
 
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Ok you could make a laser sword! You don't have to use plasma!!! BUT Just the blade would go on into infinity! Just cause the blade is super long doesn't mean it's not a sword!

Some day, in a small handheld host... a 1000w power max death beam lol! Joking... ;b
 

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I play my fair share of Halo (a first-person shooter videogame, for those that live under a rock :p) and there's a weapon called the "Spartan Laser". To use it, you charge it up for around three seconds and then it fires a very short pulse of red laser destruction. It's considered a very powerful weapon and can take out an armored tank. The funny part is, though, that although it's not meant to be used for extremely long distances like the Sniper Rifle weapon, it has a cutoff point that's over three times shorter than the Sniper Rifle (which shoots bullets...), after which it seems to disappear and does no damage whatsoever. It has nothing to do with divergence, either; the laser beam of the weapon seems to have little-to-no divergence, at least not enough to explain the sudden cutoff range. This is annoying because often times I like using it as a makeshift sniper, and can't.

Does anybody else that plays Halo 3 or Reach have any input?

-Chris
 
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No offense, but I think the laws of physics modelled in that video game might not be entirely accurate, and therefore not the best basis on which to make your argument on. As for whether or not lasers have been used on people before, I read and saw a clip of an apparent laser hit from an airbourne source on an insurgent in the Middle East. On my phone atm, so can't easily post a link, but youtube search for it should reveal something. The report was supporrted by a local surgeon who said that he'd never seen such damage inflicted on a body in his life. Apparently this particular person literally exploded when lased, not bored through. Maybe the amount of fluid in the human body is a factor? Rumour has it that secret trials have been underway in quiet pockets of fighting the world over. It's all likely to be nonsense, but the bit about human targets exploding rather than being sliced up is interesting I think.
 

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It sounds like you get a surface steam explosion causing a kinetic kill.
 

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Yeah, maybe when you reach a certain power level a complex target like a person does just pop!

I read somewhere that in laser metal cutting, there are methods that use enough power in a particular way that the material being cut is effectively stripped/removed of atoms rather than simply burned away with brute force, leaving minimal residue from super-heated cutting.

Point being that there seems to be a number of ways that materials can react to lasers depending on how they are applied, and it doesn't seem obvious to assume that all that happens in terms of how materials react to increasing levels of power is that they simply burn faster.

Besides, if/when they become powerful and small enough, I'd imagine they'd be rolled out pretty fast as the other main issue facilitating their use is actually targeting things, and that technology is already advanced enough I'd say.

We already have enthusiast teams capable of making equipment that can track tiny little mosquitos flying in every possible direction and zap the blighters, so I dare say that military research arms of most leading nations are more than capable of scaling such concepts upwards, adding it to a drone, and have it fly over target areas scanning, identifying, and zapping head-shots in a single fly-over on multiple targets; for example.

Zero collateral damage, ultra stealthy, ultra accuracy, and LOW cost are reasons why I think that military leaders of the world might be very enthusiastic about pushing laser tech as a direct weapon, making the prospect of their arrival on the battlefield all the more likely, I think.

Found a clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-gmtwDIAaA
 
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Well, i always found funny the laws of phisics used sometimes in videogames (except, maybe, sniper elite, where they reproduced them accurately enough :p) .....

But i remember in the "80 an article speaking about a possible laser gun, with a technical draw (was something big as a half suitcase, with a ruby laser designed in it, and a backpack for the batteries), and they was the "80 ..... now, we have 1 and 2 W 445nm handheld lasers, and also 8 or 10 W CO2 units shaped as a small rifle (things that was not just impossible to build, but also impossible to imagine, in the "80 ;)), and we're just DYIers private hobbysts ..... just imagine what can have available an advanced and rich structure like US Army research labs ..... :D
 

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Well, i always found funny the laws of phisics used sometimes in videogames (except, maybe, sniper elite, where they reproduced them accurately enough :p) .....

But i remember in the "80 an article speaking about a possible laser gun, with a technical draw (was something big as a half suitcase, with a ruby laser designed in it, and a backpack for the batteries), and they was the "80 ..... now, we have 1 and 2 W 445nm handheld lasers, and also 8 or 10 W CO2 units shaped as a small rifle (things that was not just impossible to build, but also impossible to imagine, in the "80 ;)), and we're just DYIers private hobbysts ..... just imagine what can have available an advanced and rich structure like US Army research labs ..... :D
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Wouldn't a laser be transferring heat to the target (a person) that is mostly water?

External burning, and internal explosive boiling? If you are assuming terrestrial combat, you would need a pulse that deliveries a lot of power quickly, because an enemy combatant is not gonna sit still.

As far the "laws of war" it has been my impression that only the loser is really accountable or the winner can offer up a few scapegoats. How would you enforce laws of war against a nuclear superpower like the US or China or nuclear regional power like Israel or India? How many divisions does the Hague have?

Modern warfare seems to be going the route of main force powers against irregulars. I could see special forces using lasers for black ops and wet work. Especially where the ops are off the books.

One idea I read in work of fiction was maser weapons that would slowly pump energy into a human body, for example raising the body core temp up 10 degrees as a beam is focused on a target that is mostly immobile (like a political leader in a reviewing stand) the temp increase would cause brain damage, organ failure, but to an external observer the victim would just appear to have fainted or collapsed until an autopsy/biopsy is done.
 
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