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Alaskan

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You must be watching CNN, MSNBC, CBS or one of those other leftist so called news channels trying to wag the dog with their own manipulated polls, come voting time, I am sure you will be disappointed.
 



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That's funny. We shall see on November 3rd. Every poll that I've seen not only has Biden leading by double digits....even Fox News polls have him ahead. He is also leading in battleground states too.
 

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Yeah Alaskan. I have to agree with Paul. Even fox called out the trump campaign for their repeated denial of reality. You can only stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "la la la I cant hear you fake news" for so long.

Here's why they should be taken more seriously:

If trump really thinks they're fake polls, he should just keep his trap shut. people like me who dont really want to vote for biden but think he is up in the polls, may stay home election day if they think biden is a shoe in. (I'm not voting biden regardless) so if they really are fake this helps trump. This is the same reason the left would be foolish to fake the polls. Of course they arent the be all end all but at this point in 2016 they showed HRC up by like 2-4 points, within the margin of error. These polls show biden up like 9-15 points.

I wanted to expand on the stock market thing. A big part of the reason it was up pre Corona was trumps massive tax cuts which primarily benefitted the wealthy. Turns out when people who already have all the money they could want get even more they just invest it more and do stock buybacks. Keep in mind some 90% of the stock market is owned by the wealthiest 10% of earners. At the start of the pandemic getting serious back in march, the stock market did tank at first. The day it bounced back is the day the federal reserve announced it would be buying corporate debt. Then you have goldman Sachs chum Steve Mnuchin, our treasury secretary, getting to pick and choose which of his rich friends get bailout money with little to no oversight. So this is why the wealthy are getting richer during this crisis and why we see a complete decoupling of the stock market from reality. Remember this the next time trump brags about the stock market. Hardly an achievement to have it go up when the fed is pulling money out of their hat like a magician and making it rain on all the corporations who already got a huge tax cut. They come hat in hand, all ok with socialism as long as its socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the rest of us plebs.

BTW red, biden has said he would raise the corporate tax rate higher than trump has it, but lower than obama so if you had your job under obama, chances are you'll still have it. Hate to break it to you but you cant solve every problem by cutting taxes. Republicans really can be one trick ponies sometimes. Heck they even proposed a capital gains tax cut to help with Corona. Imagine being that disconnected from reality. Not sure if you knew but the richest people are currently paying a lower effective tax rate than the middle class

Another interesting thing is lawmakers have voted three times in the last year I think to increase funding to their exclusive clinic. So they're ok with taxpayer funded healthcare for themselves but not for the rest of us. Because you know, socialism bad. Except when they do it
 
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The average American citizen will NEVER and I mean NEVER have free/public healthcare of the quality that our lawmakers have.....even if we became socialist/communist anything ist we still won't ever have lawmaker level healthcare.

I'm poor and I envy the middle class, I can only dream of what's like to be rich, I don't even have health ins myself and I pay for everything out of pocket.......public healthcare sounds good and universal income......hell yes send me my dam check NOW and tax those smug greedy pigs down to my level so I don't feel so low.

However I fear once we become helpless pets/farm animals to the elite politicians who fix things so they stay in power, they won't give us anything that they don't want to, our only value will be in what we can do, I'm afraid the old/sick/weak will have even less........maybe they will invent a virus to kill off the old/sick/weak to reduce pesky entitlements and free up funds for the upkeep of people who can still contribute useful labor ?

Trump or Biden.....Really, that's our choice.......I don't believe this BS, out of 330 Million people that's our choice ? If I didn't know any better I would think this is just a puppet show, but I do know the truley wealthy will never pay their fair share because our politicians are all millionaires themselves and they sure as hell aren't going to tax themselves without building in some loopholes, the middle class may get wiped out but the rich will always be rich.
 
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I dont entirely disagree with you red. We can have a convo about the merits of different forms of socialism etc but what burns me is the rank hypocrisy and corruption of the majority of politicians, that's both parties.
 

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what burns me is the rank hypocrisy and corruption of the majority of politicians, that's both parties.
I agree with that and it's going to be dam hard to fix, virtually impossible the more helpless we become and we will be helpless when government controls healthcare, income, housing , all manufacturing, all business and has a monopoly on the use of force.

If we are going to be taken care of we are also going to be controlled, without risk and rugged individualism we will become farm animals.

The two keystones of freedom are the 1st and 2nd amendments and democrats are attacking both, this is my main reason for voting Republican, as for universal healthcare, universal income and decriminalized dope I am on board, but not at the cost of freedom.
 
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I'm not saying there arent democrats who take regular dumps on the 1st and 2nd amendment but republicans including trump do that tooFB_IMG_1596496567719.jpg
 
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A revolution has been white supremacist's wet dream forever. It will never happen. Now that the federal troops left Portland and are moving out of other places there is little if any violence left in these places, including Seattle. Geese! Have you looked at Georgia lately? Much worse there than in Washington State. You may actually pass NY in infections and deaths there if you don't get it under control soon.
 

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I'm not saying there arent democrats who take regular dumps on the 1st and 2nd amendment but republicans including trump do that too
People need jobs to feed their kids and some will go to work for the devil, after all Hitler didn't kill millions of Jews with his own two hands.

I don't expect people to be rounded up, however after crime flourishes in the wake of the " defund-the-cops " movement a national police force signed into law with the promise of socially just policing for all and managed by the federal government, just might need a few strong hands to help enforce new laws..........new laws for the good of the children of course.

So close your eyes and buy into the BS, your universal income check will be in the mail, meanwhile do what your told and be ready to accept a few compromises for the common good and don't protest as protesting during this time of renewal has been temporary suspended.

p.s. It's a hate crime to speak ill of elected officials as they are a minority and doing so will result in serious charges........Sounds crazy huh ? Just look at what's going on in Virginia now that Bloomberg funded Governor " Blackface racist Northam " is doing his masters bidding against the people.


While Virginia scumbag blackface racist Bloomberg's tool Governor Northam seeks to outlaw free speech in Virginia in Seattle protesters have been empowered to intimidate the police chief.......So it's free speech on one hand and hate speech on the other ?

 

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Micheal Sloan of the police guild notwithstanding, this is the same nonsense we've heard from every police union when people start talking about moving some resources from them to other organizations that are better equipped to handle situations where mental health officials should be handling situations. Defund the police has never been an attempt to remove police from the streets. Just an attempt to fund agencies better suited to handle certain situations. That idea has my full support.
 

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Maybe some of the looting could have been prevented in Minnesota if the police didnt have so many officers protecting Derek Chauvin's house. Nice to see where their priorities are


Also, let me give some kudos to this member of the bundy people. I dont know the particulars of their cattle grazing dispute but respect for this.

 
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Biden has no business what so ever with his finger on the button, Biden belongs in a retirement center with a box of crayons and a stack of coloring books, anything more than that would be asking too much of him at this point.

 

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I was talking to someone about how I believe the US will likely end up in a civil war if fraudulent mail in ballots cheat Trump out of the election, they responded that the USA is already in a civil war now, people just don't yet realize it has already started. I had to agree, it has begun.
 

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Biden 2 time loser who can barely talk coherently, 50 years of no real job--just public dollars for no performance in the real world beyond BS talk and spending other people's hard earned money--now a attempting to become pawn/stooge for moronic drooler leftists and something for nothing which doesn't exist, never has never will, hand out craving dreamersl--
Really??? -- give everyone a break.

Found this humorous LOL

"Democrats Praise Joe Biden For Being Only Candidate Able To Talk Down To Americans Like The Stupid, Slack-Jawed Dumdums They Really Are. Biden Wondering Where All This Support Was When He Still Had Functioning Brain."


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"WILMINGTON, DE—As the moderate wing of the Democratic Party consolidated its backing around his candidacy, former Vice President Joe Biden reportedly wondered Thursday where all this support was back when he still had a functioning brain. “Here’s the deal: I’m flattered that everyone’s voting for me and the big Democratic donors are giving me a lot of money, but look, I used to have a general idea of what was happening, and it would’ve been nice if they’d shown me that kind of support back then,” said the former vice president, trailing off and staring blankly for a moment before telling reporters that he didn’t win a single state when he ran for the party’s nomination in either 1988 or 2008, when he would have been physically and cognitively prepared for the demands of running in a general election. “I’ve been pandering to people and compromising progressive goals for decades, and now you’re just throwing all this campaign support and money behind me? I was lucid for 70 years! I honestly can’t figure you people out. Why are you just now saying Joe Biden should be president when I can’t hold a train of thought for longer than 10 seconds or talk to anyone on the campaign trail without getting agitated and sticking my finger in their face? What is your deal?” Sources confirmed that Biden also wondered why the Democrats were supporting him now that he wouldn’t be the only candidate in clear mental decline with a history of reactionary policies in the race". ~ The Onion
 
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I think it is hilarious that Trump touts his passing a test looking for dementia like it is an IQ test. It isn't and Biden surely wouldn't fall into the trap of taking such a test at Trump's prodding. My question is why was this test administered to Trump as it is usually only used when dementia is a concern. :ROFLMAO:

Where is the video of this event? I would want to see this before making a comment on it. I have seen these taken way out of context or edited to look worse than it is. I don't generally go to the Onion for news as I have subscriptions to the Washington Post and the New York Times. I do watch the PBS News Hours, though. Why didn't yo use the video?
 
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