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LOL -- if they could, they would



WASHINGTON—As the beginning of primary season upped the stakes in their search for an alternative candidate, Democratic National Committee officials reportedly mulled Monday asking Donald Trump to run for president as a Democrat in an effort to stop Bernie Sanders. “He’s obviously not our first choice, but Trump has a track record of winning elections, not to mention he does well with the conservative voters we’ll need to swing some red states blue—if that’s who we need to ask to ensure Bernie doesn’t win, we’ll do it,” said DNC chairman Tom Perez, who had circled Trump’s name on a white board lising dozens of potential candidates the party could try to convince to jump into the Democratic Party primaries in order to obstruct a Sanders nomination. “This late in the game, we need somebody with name recognition and a built-in following, which Trump definitely has. He has political experience working with Republicans, which will help him win over moderate voters who are turned off by the idea of a socialist president. Plus, he’ll have the backing of the Democratic donor base, who generally prefer him to Sanders. Look, sometimes politics makes strange bedfellows, but I think I speak for party leadership when I say that we’d much rather see Donald Trump than Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.” At press time, Perez was in negotiations to ensure Trump was on every Democratic primary ballot for Super Tuesday and changing the requirements to allow Trump to qualify for the next Democratic debate. ~ The Onion
 
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Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast couldn't keep himself from cursing. He took jabs at everyone who has ever investigated him. Bad news, Trump. The investigations aren't over and even though the outcome in the Senate was predetermined, it will be costly for Senators who voted against having witnesses or documents during the trial. Everything this guy talks about is about himself, not the country or how to bring Americans together. What an A hole!
 
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Trump was thanking his people for their hard work and Trump did say that he has made mistakes, not on purpose but that we would try to do better. That's pretty good for Trump in the wake of this farce perpetrated against him over a simple phone call.
It's obvious that Trump did not think he did anything wrong in asking for the truth about Bidens corruption and there wasn't.
The whole thing was a scam, nothing the house did was anywhere near proper and everyone knows it.
Meanwhile the Iowa caucus continues to display the democrats cheating, rule changing, and tampering.

 
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Ah encap, that's actually pretty funny, and IMO, not far from the truth. Maybe exactly true. Many corporate/establishment dems WOULD rather have trump than bernie, as trump is more likely to keep enriching their rich friends. We are in the era where satire has a strong plagiarism case against reality.

Some of those numbers do seem cherry picked red, probably from Obama's worst years and trumps best, because I know for certain the most recent deficit was nearly a trillion.

Thought about your argument against single payer, worry about greed and corruption. Not unfounded fears but hardly a reason to oppose it. Would you just tell the sick and dying, "sorry you're effed because someone might skim a bit of money off the top" maybe you would. What if it were someone close to you...

Look at the Iraq war. We had Halliburton getting no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq and private military contractors committing war crimes. Tax payers were paying if memory serves like $50 for a case of soda. So by your logic we shouldn't have a defense industry because of the potential for greed and corruption? I think not. Oh wait my bad, we gotta fix what we already have before adding more. That it? Well, have I got a candidate for you. Great news, you can have both

It's pretty telling to me that you have a huge problem with the clinton foundation taking money from foreign governments in a corrupt pay to play system but you dont "GAF" if trump does essentially the same thing because something something my taxes are lower and medication cheaper. Not very principled IMO

The right has been much better than the left at circling the wagons and "unity", but it seems to me this is a double edged sword. Sure there are plenty of "blue no matter who" voters out there, but I think in general the left holds its elected officials to a bit higher standards and scrutiny, if only by a small margin. I know I've been blamed for trumps victory for voting for Jill by other dems, despite the fact that HRC is human filth and I actually felt that the green parties platform best represented me. Also, HRC won Colorado anyway and even if every Jill voter voted HRC it wouldnt have made a difference. Also, at least 12% of Bernie supporters in 2016 ended up voting for trump, maybe, just maybe, they had more to do with trumps election than the 5 of us who voted for Jill. The DNC can suck it if they think they can steal it from Bernie, essentially rendering my vote meaningless, but then want my vote to count in the general to elect their preselected corporate stooge. No thanks
 

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For the sake of argument lets say everything in that Rasmussen poll is correct and represents the actual facts on the ground. You are celebrating Trump finally pulling above 43% to 49% while 50% polled disapprove of his job in office. And the rest of that poll looks just as bad for Trump. More people don't like him than do. Yeah, Obama was so hated in 2011 that he was reelected by a wide margin.

It does look like Democrats are more focused on cutting each other down instead of coming together. But, I have faith that once a nominee is in contention they will come together with everyone who hates Trump and that should be something to see. A one term Trump who was impeached in his first term and voted out in the second.
 

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I have to say I am not comfortable with being united by hatred of trump. That feeds into the narrative of the right and fuels their fire. Dont be so blinded by dislike of trump that you overlook policy. That is how we keep getting crappy presidents, whether they have a R or D next to their name.

The way I see it, we have a fight going for the soul of the democratic party between the true progressives in the vein of FDR and the neoliberals who hijacked it.

If Bernie gets the nomination, I'm not sure the other dems will support him. Sure doesnt seem like Joe Biden will, and certainly not Hillary. Some of the people crying for unity are the same ones constantly talking smack about Bernie, AOC, Rashida Tlaib. Did you hear when she booed HRC the other day and everyone acted like it was such a scandal, so disrespectful? Yet HRC is allowed to go around saying that "no one likes bernie" and that Tulsi is a russian agent, and I dont hear anyone telling her or Biden we need unity.

Fun fact: when HRC ran for president and obama ultimately won, over 30% of HRC's supporters ultimately voted for John Mcain instead of Obama. Compare that to the 12% of Bernie voters who voted Trump. I found that interesting
 

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I totally agree with you. But, Trump hating does get under his supporters skin and that's fun too.

Republicans have always been conspiracy theory nuts. My father was a a die hard republican that only voted a straight ticket his whole life. He was still peddling a theory that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and kept it secret to get us into WWII. It is a totally debunked theory, but old habits die hard.
 
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IDK, some Trump people wear it as a badge of honor. Go look up the deplorables choir on youtube if you're ever playing a drinking game where you cringe, you drink. You'll get drunk super fast

Real talk though, if HRC called Bernie supporters deplorable, I'd wear it as a badge of honor too.
 
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IDK, some Trump people wear it as a badge of honor. Go look up the deplorables choir on youtube if you're ever playing a drinking game where you cringe, you drink. You'll get drunk super fast

Real talk though, if HRC called Bernie supporters deplorable, I'd wear it as a badge of honor too.
I really don't see Democrats ever becoming that divided. This seems to be a Trump thing and now republicans are literally afraid he will defeat them in primaries with other republican candidates. It is an existential threat to their party. How well they recover will only be seen after Trump is gone.
 

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Poor old snowflake paul, really thought he knew it all.

Every day he'd quote the polls, Hillary can't lose is what he told.

Then Savior Trump stole the show, paul said NO WAY in months he'll go.

There's no way he can last a year, he's got to go paul said with a tear.

When that year came and went, a new ultimatum paul had sent.

Mueller will get him said snowflake paul, he'll nail that orange hair devil to the wall.

When the Mueller pipe dream died with a gasp, paul said this phone call will get him at last.

Now paul sits broken and his wild claims have quit, nothing left but denial and repeating the same old shit.
 

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Cute. I believe you are putting words in my mouth about what I actually said in previous posts. That's okay. Being misquoted and called names by you have become par for the course. Trump still is an impeached first term president and nothing will ever change that. Mueller's report, if you took the time to read it, laid out ten crimes that Trump would have been charged with had he not been protected by a Nixon memo from the DOJ. This seems to bother you as much as it does Trump.
 

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You would like to think so but I am not bothered by Trump being labeled as impeached, I don't worship the man, I'm still embarrassed for America at times when he says something low brow but what he's labeled I don't fret over, I just want him to stay in office and get reelected because the alternatives royally suck.

I mean it's a sad state of affairs that our democracy has eroded to the point of crucifying the Commander in Chief over the hint of impropriety in a simple phone call........ but seriously I have a lot more going on in my life than losing sleep over Trumps self image, hell I know he's a narcissistic ego maniac and a bit of a blabbermouth but he has risen to the job with no real experience and his State of the Union speech was very good, his demeanor at the Korean boarder was proper and he can act " Presidential " if he want's too.......yes I wish he would measure his words better and maintain a highly respectable image but I accept his personality faults because I like his policy much better than the alternatives......but what people call him means a lot more to him than it ever could to me.

But I will say (((((( FOREVER ACQUITTED )))))) if it rubs your fur against the grain. Your democrats have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and Pelosi knows it, she looks miserable and boy is she miffed, you can hear the angst in her voice, she's been thumped by Trump and now she's sore in the rump and worst yet she knows she a chump.

I think you know Trump will win......again.
Then I'll be expecting your excuses to arrive.
I know it's eating you alive.
So keep up your lame jive.
You're going to see Trump thrive.
 

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It is silly to think I expected any other result than Trump not being removed by the republican controlled Senate. I took a course in the impeachment of Andrew Johnson the spring before Nixon resigned and have watched as the other impeachments ran their courses. No president has ever been removed even though Johnson came close. Trump did much more than just that phone call. The witness testimony proves that and no matter how you try to spin it, his impeachment was necessary and history will note that.

Trump very publicly removed Alexander Vindman from his post and also removed his brother who had nothing at all to do with testifying during the impeachment inquiry. Alexander Vindman did not leak information and only testified when he was subpoenaed by the House. He followed the the proper channels of military command in everything he has done. Trump continues to surround himself with only people who will agree with him making him more likely to make more horrible decisions the longer he remains in office. His reelection is not as absolute as you would like to believe it is. He is still very much disliked by a majority of voters. And the longer he continues to tweet and hold rallies the more voters will continue to want someone else in that office. He is what he's always been.......a fraud and a crook. Despite his remarks trying to court the black vote his approval among that voting block remains very low. And if you think his approval among Latinos is any better you are deluded. He remains well liked among republican voters, but his reelection depends on garnering the votes of more than just them. Unless he changes his way of communicating with all voters, which seems very unlikely, it will be an uphill climb for him in November.
 

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Thought about your argument against single payer, worry about greed and corruption. Not unfounded fears but hardly a reason to oppose it. Would you just tell the sick and dying, "sorry you're effed because someone might skim a bit of money off the top" maybe you would. What if it were someone close to you...
No I'm not worried about the government wasting/stealing money, that's pretty much a given.
I am worried about going to the public health center and being told what I get LIKE IT OR NOT and what I must do LIKE IT OR NOT
I am worried about my father in his late 70's being told he can't have this or that because of his age LIKE IT OR NOT
It's not that I don't trust government with my money, I don't trust government with my health, my life, my quality of life....hell I don't trust government and I want them involved with as little as possible.
I want the freedom to make my own choices about my life just like women want to make their own choices about their bodies/pregnancy.....do you think public healthcare is going to let women decide forever.......LOL, that won't last when uncle Sammy is paying for it, we will all be told what we get and what we don't, LIKE IT OR NOT.
 




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