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RedCowboy

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Oh geese, things are not so simple as you may think.

Bernie will " END ALL WARS " in 100 days......yea, ok

And then you say Trump did bring troops home but he left the Kurds hanging.......which way do you want it, END ALL WARS NOW ? or Don't leave anyone hanging ?

I bet if Bernie got the job he would talk about how we have to do things right and it's going to take longer than he wanted.....bla bla bla, because once it's all explained to him he wont be ending all wars in 100 days, if he did someone would say he left someone else hanging.

Protecting our interests and the flow of oil is necessary, sometimes we have to take action and Russia sells weapons too.............just what is it you want, we tried letting congress run things from home, it was called Vietnam, it didn't work.

What you really want is socialism but keep your freedom, sorry it doesn't work that way, being taken care of means being told what to do, it really is that simple.
 
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No, trump didnt bring the troops home. Some maybe, the rest he moved to "secure the oil".

Trump could have asked UN peacekeepers to step in and take the place of US troops. We didnt even have that many there but their presence was preventing ethnic cleansing by Turkey.

Yes, ultimately I favor withdrawal. We should never have been there in the first place.

And yes, I do worry that if Bernie gets elected the story will change. I think Tulsi means it more, as it's like the center piece of her platform whereas Bernie's centerpiece is healthcare.

I've heard some conservatives say that we are self sufficient on oil and dont need foreign oil. So what's the worry? Just want to use up everyone else's first so we can save ours for ourselves when they eventually run out? IDK

Ah yes "protecting our interests" one of my favorite weasle word phrases that translates into taking what we want and to hell with everyone else, or as trump says, "America first"

Congress may have supported Vietnam for a while. That can happen when lies like the gulf of tonkin are used. Maybe you should blame Robert McNamara instead.

So, does being a recipient of social security mean you aren't free? Does paying taxes that go to fix roads that everyone uses mean you aren't free? Does not worrying about going bankrupt from medical bills make one not free? Hard to be free to work and make a living, a.k.a., be a productive member of society when you're too sick and cant afford treatment.

We'll save money in the long run under single payer. For one because there won't be profits being siphoned off of us by insurance companies, and also because if people get regular treatment, more preventative care will take place which will help prevent more serious (and expensive) treatment down the road.

Perhaps war isnt as simple as I think, but I'm sure that socialism isnt as simple as you think
 
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We don't live independent from society but we strive to retain freedom of choice as much as possible and I am not against an income tax funded public medical system but I am against that system being exploited by criminal politicians and it would be.

Before we give our elected representatives more control over our lives for our own good we 1st need to hold the thieving bastards accountable for what they are already doing against us, there's no penalty for politicians when they knowingly act against us.
We need to hold them all, republican and democrat responsible but it's not going to happen so the only viable option is to give them no more control than is absolutely necessary because they abuse everything...........so we all cherry pick what issues are the most important to us and we eat a lot of crow otherwise, we should demand better but it will likely take a full out restart and nobody wants to do that until we have to, so we compromise.

It's a shame really, we could do so much more if we could only trust our own and all agree to play fair and respect each others rights, but greed is a common thread that transcends all boundaries and we are at a very divided point in our country where lies and misinformation are expected, all we get is more restrictions and demands but Trump has given some back, Trumps tax cuts have stimulated our economy and Trump has done a lot of good, IDGAF about his hotel room prices in where-everland or what jobs his kids are doing, they are working and doing a job unlike Hunter Biden, in short Trump is by far the best compromise and Trump is doing good for all people of all races, even Hispanic Americans will do better with the reduction of illegal immigration.

Our family prescription prices were cut in half by Trump, I saw that 1st hand.

I don't think socialism is the answer, not under the crooks we can't even control now, no way.
 
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So how do you feel about getting money out of politics? Do you agree that money=speech? If money=speech, then why are murder for hire and prostitution illegal? To pretend like politicians won't be beholden to the will of those who funded them is beyond naive I think. Bernie suggested an idea I like. Make politicians wear nascar style outfits with their donor's logos on them so we can see who has bought them. Like that idea?

I'm personally against corporate PACs. If members of any given organization want to support a candidate, that's fine, let them donate the max amount as individuals. I think it would go a long way towards ending corruption or at least checking it. Dare I say, draining the swamp
 

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Murder is illegal so paying for murder should also be illegal
5ex is not illegal so paying for it shouldn't be either.

How do we get politicians to pass laws to limit themselves when we are so divided ?
Do you think the politcians want us to be divided........yes of course.
So we need to come together 1st then fix the problems, feel like compromising ? Think others want to give up anything after all the crap they have already had to take ? Not any easy answers here.
 

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We are not self sufficient on oil. That was some of the nonsense Trump said in his state of the union speech. We still import oil from the middle east and though Trump said he is bringing troops home he has actually sent more to the middle east than were there when he was elected. He also made a play like he cares about minorities, especially blacks, but the facts on the ground say different. Trump should have just taken a lap for having a good economy, but he can't help himself and he always goes off script to lie. He said the last administration was to blame for the economy he inherited, but Obama's administration got more people hired in his last three years than Trump did in his first three. That's right. Look it up. Trump 6.7 million jobs, Obama 8.6 million jobs. Trump's whole economy is just a continuation of the Obama administration.
 

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Bla bla bla, same old rag and bash BS

Trumps State of the Union speech was epic, he has done a Great job and will continue to deliver for 4 more years.

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Murder is illegal so paying for murder should also be illegal
5ex is not illegal so paying for it shouldn't be either.

How do we get politicians to pass laws to limit themselves when we are so divided ?
Do you think the politcians want us to be divided........yes of course.
So we need to come together 1st then fix the problems, feel like compromising ? Think others want to give up anything after all the crap they have already had to take ? Not any easy answers here.
How do we come together if we cant agree on the facts? It seems to me we all have pretty much the same needs and wants as human beings.

I agree about legal prostitution, I'm libertarian on social issues. But you see my point about money not being speech in the case of murder for hire, yet some people pretend like theres no expectation of favors when corporations bankroll politicians.
 

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The democrat caucus debacle is still a ridiculous mess, they are cheating Bernie and everyone knows it, Bernie is the only one on the dem ticket that has any morals and he's going to get cheated again, how sick.
 

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That's the problem. Republicans, many anyway, are out in nutland and can't even admit to the facts as they paint a dire picture of Trump. I give you actual numbers and you won't even take the time to see if they are true. They are, but my point is you don't want the truth. The truth is Trump is a consumate liar and fraud and always has been. But, he eeked out a slim victory in 2016 and now he's your savior. That's just nuts!
 

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Obama is not running, Warren and Biden are and Trump is the better choice, Bernie might be able to win but the dems can't control him so they will cheat him.....again.
 

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Where did you find any poll where Trump had an approval rating of 50%? That has never happened. The -2.9 million jobs added came from 2009 when Obama took office. Also, GDP growth isn't at 4.1%, though I don't doubt Trump has said it is. Looks like that came from a very reliable website that takes what Trump says as facts. I believe Obama's lowest approval rating may have been 45% in his 8 years in office, but that is still higher than Trump's has ever been.

And why do you care who Democrats nominate for president? It's not like any of them have a chance for your vote. Sounds like you also would like to have Trump run against Sanders.
 

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I like Sanders better than Warren or Biden who are the only real competition against Sanders, really Sanders should win the dem nomination, people like Sanders and he seems to be genuine unlike Warren or Biden who I don't trust at all.


 

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Did you even read that one poll? It shows him with a 48% approval rating while 50% disapprove. On the same day 36% strongly approve while 40% strongly disapprove of Trump's handling of his administration. Only 42% feel the country is going in the right direction. Depends a lot on how you ask the question. That 42% is his real approval rating.
 

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No I read a Rasmussen poll was 49% +
You like to cherry pick the one line that fits your narrative and how you ask the question has always slanted things against Trump, he's in reality likely much higher.
Fact is this impeachment sham and Trumps State of the Union speech have boosted his approval.
 
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Bernie can say anything he wants, doing is a far different thing. Notice what the left is doing to Trump, it doesn't matter which way he turns, they turn the opposite, like an entangled photon pair.
 




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