Politics and General Debates Thread

[Shakenawake]

I have previously held in disdain the vote blue no matter who but now that we have people like MTG openly calling for Christian nationalism, I may have to. I suspect there are corrupt corporate democrats who know they have us lefties between a rock and a hard place and exploit this to their advantage, but I don't want to live in the theocratic state envisioned by people like MTG and my representative, lauren boebert. Really tired of the things she says about Ilhan Omar, my favorite Democrat.

I wish the "gazpacho" police would hurry up and arrest them for their "fragrant" violations. I swear no one could be born that dumb, they must have grown MTG in some sort of "peach tree dish"

Seriously though these people hate America, only want to see it destroyed, and need to be stopped to save our country

 

[conceptcar3]

According to the state tallies that were certified in all states Biden beat Trump by more than 7 million votes. That is a fact that your desire that it didn't happen can't change. That means Biden did get around 81 million votes according to the states. Trump supporters somehow believe that he has become more popular, but nothing could be further from the truth. Put him against any Democrat and you'll see the same results as you did in 2020.

Nothing to see here right Paul ?

 

[RedCowboy]

I have previously held in disdain the vote blue no matter who but now that we have people like MTG openly calling for Christian nationalism, I may have to. I suspect there are corrupt corporate democrats who know they have us lefties between a rock and a hard place and exploit this to their advantage, but I don't want to live in the theocratic state envisioned by people like MTG and my representative, lauren boebert. Really tired of the things she says about Ilhan Omar, my favorite Democrat.

I wish the "gazpacho" police would hurry up and arrest them for their "fragrant" violations. I swear no one could be born that dumb, they must have grown MTG in some sort of "peach tree dish"

Seriously though these people hate America, only want to see it destroyed, and need to be stopped to save our country

Are you serious ?

It's the progressive woke who hate America because they have been hammered with indoctrination in our schools that " white America " is racist....systemically racist and must be torn down and " re-imagined " and that socialism and " The Great Reset " will make life in the New America a virtual utopia.........It's bullshit, Freedom is our utopia and everyone is free to go to church or not and today less and less people are actually going to church from what I have read, but nobody is going to be forcing religion on anyone.

Look I have never been a bible thumper, hell I've been agnostic most my life, but I see the value in the unity religion offers at a time when brainwashed voters are actually wanting to give the crook politicians more power to " steal from the rich to feed the poor " but the problem is the crook politicians are in bed with the rich, hell democrat politicians all become quite wealthy somehow and it's not by saving their paychecks, it's power brokering and insider stock trading, these crooks sell us out everyday and liberal voters want to make government their God, climate change their religion and socialism/communism our way of life......it's a fools paradise and a trap that the wealthy liberals see as a means to own us worker bees and dictate our lives cradle to grave.

Religion is a counter balance to government only religion won't send armed thugs to arrest you for having a difference of opinion. Religion in America is optional, we have Freedom of religion and Freedom from religion if you choose, but government requires obedience/adherence to an ever growing mass of laws, regulations, ordinances backed up with the threat and use of violence/force.

If you don't pull over for that cop or obey this new law.....you will experience violence, but if you don't want religion you can simply say " no thanks " and carry on with your life.

 

[Shakenawake]

Not if people like Lauren Boebert get her way. They hate that people like Ilhan omar can wear a hijab and can't understand the difference between that and a coach leading students in prayer. They think freedom of religion means freedom to force their religion on everyone else, which is what they are now doing. Voting against gay marriage. Against contraceptives. Against abortion because they don't understand their own religious texts. All these things, that Republicans are voting against, would make us less free. Go ahead and try to argue that. Don't EVER tell me you care about freedom as a republican again, it's B.S. of the highest order. You don't get to say you want small government while supporting people that want to control aspects of our lives in that way, sorry not gonna fly

Yeah, systematic racism exists and I'll bet you couldn't explain it to me if I held a gun to your head. The radical far right wants to teach a version of history that never makes America look bad in any way, they think learning about slavery or native genocide makes people hate America. What it might do is make people want to improve America but because they are so racist and ethnocentric, to them, a more inclusive America is a worse one. They want people to love the state and NEVER question it just like North Korea and Russia which is why Trump admires putin so much. For his strength at controlling the Russian peoples lives and what they are allowed to think and believe.

The far radical right lives in a fabricated reality and hates science which goes against their preferred beliefs which is why they deny climate change. It's getting increasingly dangerous and we can not allow their delusions to rule our lives

 

[paul1598419]

We are taking back our full 2nd Amendment rights, it takes time but we will prevail now that we have Bruen on top of Heller, we must demand our rights are fully respected for China wants the world and 100 million American gun owners is a big deterrent.

Trump put the screws to China and cost them Billions while building up the American military, then before the election we get hit with COVID and I expect the American deep state was told by China that Trump must not win reelection.

We will see who runs in 2024, but I half way expect it won't be Biden or Trump that win their parties nomination.

Since Republicans have changed a well regulated militia into any stupid fuc&er with a gun it is beyond the actual meaning written into the 2nd amendment when that was adopted by the United States. Unfortunately it may be awhile before the SCOTUS is balanced again and we get back to where the 2nd amendment was understood until just the past couple of decades. I believe we can still manage to ban assault weapons though as they are used mainly in mass shootings.

 

[paul1598419]

Nothing to see here right Paul ?

There is no mass fraud that would have overturned the 2020 election giving Trump the win. No one has produced any reputable evidence showing that in any state.

 

[Shakenawake]

Since Republicans have changed a well regulated militia into any stupid fuc&er with a gun it is beyond the actual meaning written into the 2nd amendment when that was adopted by the United States. Unfortunately it may be awhile before the SCOTUS is balanced again and we get back to where the 2nd amendment was understood until just the past couple of decades. I believe we can still manage to ban assault weapons though as they are used mainly in mass shootings.

Paul I'm a leftists who supports guns and the 2nd amendment. We may need them to defend our country against these fascist Christian nationalists in the near future. Many of them are just itching for an excuse to start gunning down people they think are commies or illegals or brown people replacing whites. Just look at people like Patrick Crusius and Payton Gendron. The hate people like Trump and the Republicans foment has consequences. My former boss told me in person that he wished he could take his AR 10 (308 cal version of AR 15) to the border and gun down people crossing illegally. I personally want to be able to defend myself from such insanity, as we learned from Uvalde, the cops sure aren't gonna do it. Many of them are Republicans anyway, with their thin blue line punisher logos. Totally lost on them that law and order is the antithesis of vigilantism which the punisher represents. Disgusting

 

[RedCowboy]

Not if people like Lauren Boebert get her way. They hate that people like Ilhan omar can wear a hijab and can't understand the difference between that and a coach leading students in prayer. They think freedom of religion means freedom to force their religion on everyone else, which is what they are now doing. Voting against gay marriage. Against contraceptives. Against abortion because they don't understand their own religious texts. All these things, that Republicans are voting against, would make us less free. Go ahead and try to argue that. Don't EVER tell me you care about freedom as a republican again, it's B.S. of the highest order. You don't get to say you want small government while supporting people that want to control aspects of our lives in that way, sorry not gonna fly

Yeah, systematic racism exists and I'll bet you couldn't explain it to me if I held a gun to your head. The radical far right wants to teach a version of history that never makes America look bad in any way, they think learning about slavery or native genocide makes people hate America. What it might do is make people want to improve America but because they are so racist and ethnocentric, to them, a more inclusive America is a worse one. They want people to love the state and NEVER question it just like North Korea and Russia which is why Trump admires putin so much. For his strength at controlling the Russian peoples lives and what they are allowed to think and believe.

The far radical right lives in a fabricated reality and hates science which goes against their preferred beliefs which is why they deny climate change. It's getting increasingly dangerous and we can not allow their delusions to rule our lives

I have always supported a woman's right to choose what happens with her own body, that said I also want to protect innocent life, so 3rd trimester only if it's a medical necessity would be fair. 1st and 2nd trimester it should be her choice. It's a matter of when the fetus can be conscious and feel pain, prior to that it should be the woman's choice.

Freedom should be as absolute as possible, no drugs should be outlawed, no permit to carry you gun, nobody telling you how high your grass can be in your own yard, no special permission or fees should be needed to do anything that's not hurting anyone else.

Really it comes down to personal responsibility, if we don't hold people accountable for their own actions, then how can we have Freedom ? Punishing or restricting everyone because of what the very worst among us might do is not Freedom, it's tyranny.

Climate change won't amount to a hill of beans in my lifetime ( another 25 years ) and China won't waste time with climate change concessions that are counter productive, sure we can do what works now, but cutting off our nose to spite our face is stupid as is importing gasoline at a higher price to push people into electric cars we have to burn coal to power, we are putting the cart ahead of the horse.

It's not Republicans who worship the State, we want smaller government and I do support Freedom for everyone.

 

[RedCowboy]

Since Republicans have changed a well regulated militia into any stupid fuc&er with a gun it is beyond the actual meaning written into the 2nd amendment when that was adopted by the United States. Unfortunately it may be awhile before the SCOTUS is balanced again and we get back to where the 2nd amendment was understood until just the past couple of decades. I believe we can still manage to ban assault weapons though as they are used mainly in mass shootings.

The 2A is an individual right, it is the right of the people to Keep and BEAR arms.......that means not only to own in their homes but also to carry in public and with Bruen on top of Heller we are set to demand our rights be fully restored/respected, so even though your gun grab bill ( HR 1808 ) passed the House 217 to 213 today, it will not pass the Senate and even if it somehow did, it would be overturned in the courts.

Gun control is rooted in racism, it started when slavery in America ended and people were afraid that ex-slaves would take up arms and seek revenge.

Gun control is sexist as women benefit from having a gun to defend themselves from violent men who are typically bigger and stronger.

We are not talking about nukes, howitzers, bio or chemical weapons, or even guns with bores over 1/2 an inch ( .50 cal )........we are talking about small arms not already banned/regulated by the NFA that people own for self defense and have owned for generations, guns that are in COMMON USE and protected as such.

You dems have no business chiseling down what the American people can own any further and we will not tolerate any further infringements.
There are half a billion guns in American civilian hands today and you can not ban them and even if you could you can't take them but I know how you will try. You want to ban some of the gun types based on a combination of action and cosmetics and then abuse unconstitutional redflag laws to take guns from people one at a time, it's not going to work and much of the blue State unconstitutional gun control is going to be repealed.

This HR 1808 is a dying grasp that dems will use to raise funds on because you dems push fear, but conservatives promote Freedom and that means we welcome people from every race, gender and background to become gun owners.

The truth is this, even when cops can actually get to you before the bad guys ( bad guys who kill with and without guns ), they don't have to save you, so you dam well better be ready to save yourself.

 

[Shakenawake]

Speaking of red flag laws... you sure this is YOUR guy?

 

[RedCowboy]

I am very disappointed in Trump for that and the bumpstock ban, I never owned a bumpstock but it's the principal, that said Trump had a steep learning curve, still it really pissed me off and NO I don't want Trump in a large part for his 2A mistakes and violation of trust, also his COVID blunders, personally I hope we elect a different Republican because Trump did say a lot of dumb stuff during COVID as well, I think Trump had his moment and it's time to move on........that said if it's Trump vs. an anti 2A dem then I have to vote Trump because 2A is my main issue, but I would rather have someone better.

I expect Trump will get primaried, I know I want better, I want a strong 2A protector and I expect we will have a wide field of people running again.

 

[Shakenawake]

I am very disappointed in Trump for that and the bumpstock ban, I never owned a bumpstock but it's the principal, that said Trump had a steep learning curve, still it really pissed me off and NO I don't want Trump in a large part for his 2A mistakes and violation of trust, also his COVID blunders, personally I hope we elect a different Republican because Trump did say a lot of dumb stuff during COVID as well, I think Trump had his moment and it's time to move on........that said if it's Trump vs. an anti 2A dem then I have to vote Trump because 2A is my main issue, but I would rather have someone better.

I expect Trump will get primaried, I know I want better, I want a strong 2A protector and I expect we will have a wide field of people running again.

Hey I'm glad you can at least admit some shortcomings. Can't tell you how many cult 45 members I talk to and show them footage of things he said and they just call it fake. Pure projection, they imagine him to be exactly what they want even when he isn't and betrays that. not to say that's unique to him, many politician encourage such projection from their nominal supporters

 

[RedCowboy]

Yea, I'm not looking for a new Messiah or any deity/cult of personality .......I want someone who will respect and protect our Constitution ( like they swear an oath to do ) because people don't always agree on things and that's why our Constitution is so important, when in question we go by the founding document, otherwise we will become slaves to a dictatorship even if a congressional dictatorship, our Constitution is that important.....yet today progressives want to wipe their asses with it. Our Constitution is worth fighting for, it's been paid for in the blood of our forefathers and we owe a debt. for that blood, we owe our blood ( if needed ) to the protection of our Constitution.

 

[Ears and Eggs]

Weird, looks like Joe Biden tested Covid positive again.

Biden tests positive for Covid again, has Paxlovid rebound, doctor says

Biden has not experienced any re-emergence of symptoms and continues to feel well, said White House physician Dr. Kevin O’Connor.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[RedCowboy]

So much for the un-vaxed Trump supporters being the reason COVID persists, lol.

Natural immunity is more protective in the long run.

 

[Ears and Eggs]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1554464378711580674

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1554471264437547010

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1554463492509515776