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RedCowboy

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NO they used the new democratic favorable maps.

The Supreme Court held that the House lacked standing to appeal the ruling against its gerrymandered districts.

" That means the 2019 election will take place under the new democrat maps. "
 
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Many states give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. Like California, it take much more than a DL to register to vote in Washington state. You have to also have a REAL social Security number too. Can't fake that. So, if you believe, like Trump keeps insisting, that 3.5 million illegal immigrants voted in 2016 then see a psychiatrist.

Your story from Red State is about 1500 people who were registered to vote by a computer error. None of them were found to be illegal aliens, though.
 

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Yes, again that was a computer error that registered 1500 people, none of whom were found to be illegal immigrants. The error has been corrected and you still need a GOOD social security number in order to register to vote in California. To date there have been no illegal immigrants found trying to vote. Well, there might have been one in 2016 who voted for Trump. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Yes, non-citizens. But, no illegal immigrants. There was a Canadian who got registered, but that is not the "scurge" of non-white's who allegedly voted in 2016. It is not a conspiracy to allow Mexican illegals to vote. Just a small computer error that was addressed and is over with.

Damn! California Political Review just makes stuff up when it suites their agenda. Parsed in with the real story is a whole lot of nonsensical conspiracy theory stuff they just made up on the fly. There is no evidence at all that thousands of illegal immigrants were registered to vote in California, much less left on the voter registration roles.
 
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I am for freedom for all Americans, but our politicians all want to take something away from the other side and we choose a side and go along with it and in the end we all lose, the politicians get more control and we all get less and less freedom, none of them are worth a dam, we don't need such a big government telling us how to live.

If am American wants an abortion then they should get it, if an American wants a gun they should have it and if an American wants to take drugs then they should be able to take them, it's not right for everyone to be pitted against each other, we should respect each others rights and interests and accept that life in not infinite and we will all die, there are always risks, but dangerous freedom is better than any alternative administered by other greedy people who claim to be restricting us for our own good.

Our forefathers were better people than most of us are today, they had values and did what was right even if it wasn't in their own immediate interest, but today every greedy bastard wants theirs and everyone else be dammed, well a fight is coming and we all knew it couldn't last forever, I hope we can find middle ground not by choosing how much we will all give up, but deciding to tolerate more of each other and let everyone be free, but we must start being honest about it and stop being so one sided greedy........alas we have had a lifetime of climbing over each other.
 

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I am for freedom for all Americans, but our politicians all want to take something away from the other side and we choose a side and go along with it and in the end we all lose, the politicians get more control and we all get less and less freedom, none of them are worth a dam, we don't need such a big government telling us how to live.

If am American wants an abortion then they should get it, if an American wants a gun they should have it and if an American wants to take drugs then they should be able to take them, it's not right for everyone to be pitted against each other, we should respect each others rights and interests and accept that life in not infinite and we will all die, there are always risks, but dangerous freedom is better than any alternative administered by other greedy people who claim to be restricting us for our own good.

Our forefathers were better people than most of us are today, they had values and did what was right even if it wasn't in their own immediate interest, but today every greedy bastard wants theirs and everyone else be dammed, well a fight is coming and we all knew it couldn't last forever, I hope we can find middle ground not by choosing how much we will all give up, but deciding to tolerate more of each other and let everyone be free, but we must start being honest about it and stop being so one sided greedy........alas we have had a lifetime of climbing over each other.
I like almost everything you just said RC, but I would add that if someone abuses their rights by misusing a firearm (murder, armed robbery, etc.) then that I think it's justifiable to place restrictions on that person. Restricting their right to own a gun seems reasonable in such cases.

I'm what you might call a militant hippie; very peaceful, and quite well armed. And I support background checks to help prevent those with mental health issues or a history of misusing firearms from walking into a store (or gun show) and buying them.
 

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I like almost everything you just said RC, but I would add that if someone abuses their rights by misusing a firearm (murder, armed robbery, etc.) then that I think it's justifiable to place restrictions on that person. Restricting their right to own a gun seems reasonable in such cases.

I'm what you might call a militant hippie; very peaceful, and quite well armed. And I support background checks to help prevent those with mental health issues or a history of misusing firearms from walking into a store (or gun show) and buying them.
Yes and that's about all the common sense that's needed.

However if someone commits say......tax fraud then once they have paid their debt to society then their rights are restored.

Also when a person falsely accuses someone else they are held accountable.

Politicians who attempt to pass unconstitutional laws should be held accountable.

Those who discriminate to prevent others from having their fair chance/share should be held accountable.

But all this only works if everyone plays fair, today everyone lies and twists everything to advantage.

I was never very religious but I do see the value in it, it gives people a base set of values, provides a counterbalance to government and gives a community unity, I think we needed it..........and I will go so far as to say that a utopian society of socialist would stand a better chance of survival with sound religious believes as their foundation, because we are all smart enough to see the benefits of working together, but how long until anyone with any authority wants more for themselves ?

I can tell you the people today who say we would be better off with socialism yet are willing to lie and twist everything to get it wouldn't be able to make it last.

Real good people wouldn't contort everything to advantage thinking they know better what's good for others, it's just greed, people have to feel good about doing for others, the reward has to be in helping others above helping yourself, otherwise it's all just a convient lie to try and get what you want.


 
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The US has been in more dived times than these and managed to come through it. The 1850s through the 1890s come to mind. Back then the republican party looked much different than it does today. Before LBJ got civil rights laws passed it was southern Democrats that were segregationists. After that, they all became republicans. I remember those times well as I was in high school when they happened. Now it is called white nationalism and the new villains are illegal immigrants. They aren't the drug smuggling criminals Trump would like us all to believe. I really thought that Trump would spur a new Democratic movement and I'm pleased to see I was right. I have kept up with what is going on in Virginia and there are no bills looking to take anyone's guns away from them. If the laws that they pass are truly unconstitutional they won't pass judicial muster. But, what I have seen proposed are only common sense laws that a majority of voters fought to get.
 

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The US has been in more dived times than these and managed to come through it. The 1850s through the 1890s come to mind. Back then the republican party looked much different than it does today. Before LBJ got civil rights laws passed it was southern Democrats that were segregationists. After that, they all became republicans. I remember those times well as I was in high school when they happened. Now it is called white nationalism and the new villains are illegal immigrants. They aren't the drug smuggling criminals Trump would like us all to believe. I really thought that Trump would spur a new Democratic movement and I'm pleased to see I was right. I have kept up with what is going on in Virginia and there are no bills looking to take anyone's guns away from them. If the laws that they pass are truly unconstitutional they won't pass judicial muster. But, what I have seen proposed are only common sense laws that a majority of voters fought to get.
You don't see very well then.
 
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Paul, what will you say if Trump wins again?
 

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I personally don’t find myself wanting to live within the US in the future. I find a country like Canada much more like able.

Some of it is due to geographical wants but that I don’t feel as if the US government clearly looks for the own good in its citizens, but only for the rich in society.

In regards to the Iran situation. Iran, IMO is totally in its rights to use any measures needed to defend its sovereignty after the stunt the US pulled by killing one of its top commanders, which must be added was on our side in terms of viewing ISIS as an enemy.

This is just my view on the whole issue.

-Alex
 

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I have to second that sentiment, and I don't live in the U.S. anymore! I won't comment on Iran though as I am part of the machine that killed him..
 

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I thank you for sharing your opinion Hap but I must ask:

What do you think about the all people including Americans that Obama killed via' drone strikes ?


 

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I know I was not personally okay with the drone strikes Obama did either. The only difference I see is that Obama likely gave much more thought into his strikes and certainly had fewer "yes" men around happily slapping him on the back every time he did something that turned out badly. Overall, Obama was too conservative for my tastes as he could have taken down the "too big to fail" businesses in 2009. He certainly had the opportunity to do so. Instead, he allowed them to get even larger and that very well may come back and bite us all. Some are saying that the stock market is over valued now and we could be headed for some losses in the near future.

Chris, no one knows for certain what will happen in November. It is too far off and many things that are unforeseen can/likely will happen. That said, it will be even more unusual if somehow Trump manages a reelection. He had the advantage of no one knowing how he might act in office in 2016. That uncertainty is gone now. There are far more fired up voters who want him out than those in his base. This has been shown clearly in the 2018 elections and in Virginia in the 2019 elections.

Speaking of Virginia, the Democrats there repealed open carry gun laws in the capital, Richmond, virtually eliminating a violent confrontation there by gun fanatics who have been trying to get a protest there with people both inside and outside of the state. This was seen as a way to intimidate the new electorate. Now, if people mass in Richmond fully armed they can easily be dealt with by law enforcement or even the National Guard if necessary.
 




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