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So far Rusty Bowers, the Arizona Speaker of the House, has been testifying before the 1/6 Committee. He described Trump and his people asking him to illegally decertify Biden's win in Arizona on several occasions. He asked many times if there was evidence of the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and the thousands of dead that Trump and his sycophants had claimed. Rudy Giuliani said that there were and he would get the names to Mr. Bowers.......but that never happened. No one offered a single name of any illegal aliens or dead people who purportedly voted in 2020.

Rusty Bowers had also told the Committee about the people who then came to his home and his neighbor's homes and over speaker phones called him a pedophile and other horrendous names and of people armed who went to his neighbors and argued with them.

🤣 That 2000 Mules site has been debunked many times it has become hilarious now.
 



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After the intermission of the 1/6 Committee, Brad Raffensperger, Georgia Secretary of State, testified that the votes in Georgia were counted three times. By machine count, a hand count and later a forensic count that all concluded that Bidden won the election in Georgia with no possible way for Trump to make up the 11,779 vote deficit he had there.

Gabriel Sterling, the Chief Operating Officer for the Georgia Secretary of State, testified about a video that purported to show Republican election workers in Fulton County being forcefully removed because of a water main break, then "suitcases" of ballots that were supposedly scanned multiple times. Sterling and his staff viewed 48 hours of video showing that there were no suitcases, only the normal cases used to carry ballots with no one being removed at all. It had all been a lie!

Next Shaye Moss, who worked as an election worker for a decade, was attacked by Trump and his sycophants as being an election scammer and hustler along with her mother Ruby Freeman. Some Trump supporters broke into Moss' grandmother's house ostensibly to effect a citizens arrest of Moss and Freeman who weren't there. These election workers have since quit in the midst of countless threats on their lives because of a lie proposed by Donald Trump. I hope he is prosecuted for these as well as the many crimes he is guilty of committing.
 

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The 2020 election was stolen.

You mean to say, that, a film, made by a man who publicly explained that 911 happened because of gay marriage and was convicted of campaign fraud, then pardoned by Trump, draws the conclusion that Trump's claims that the 2020 election was stolen, were true, without any supporting evidence? Well, who would have seen that one coming?!

The films kicks off with out-of-context quotes from Biden, which were well documented at the time they were said, in context, then when it gets into "data," it cites several sources: mobile phone companies, terrorist watchdog organizations, police, etc. - who have since claimed that the data was either completely made up, that it was purposely misrepresented, or that it was deliberately interpreted by the movie in misleading ways.

That leaves two possibilities, either the film lies, or the people who provided the data that the film used lied. In either case, you cannot trust what the film is saying.

But I'm sure you'll have some sort of irrational argument as to why you believe that the film is some sort of authority on the 2020 election.

I don't doubt that there was fraud exhibited during the election. Every modern election has some amount of fraud, and the 2020 election has tons of documented attempted fraud, but, all of the most credible allegations of voter fraud are coming from the pro-Trump camp, which offers no evidence that the election was stolen.
 

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Yeah there's just too much dishonesty in this world. I don't think it can be proven or disproven for that matter. It's just one of those things. People love conspiracy. Gets the creative juices flowing maybe or gives people purpose in some way. I mean who doesn't like some drama here and there? It can be exciting
 

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All the Republican members who testified yesterday voted for Trump. Rusty Bowers who found Trump's "big lie" a bridge too far for him to allow. He also talked about the threats he and his family endured after stating that Trump lost the 2020 election. It is a bit surprising that 14 Republican Senators are going to vote in favor of new gun regulations. I guess the amount of voter disgust with no action may have helped push them to this place.

Tomorrow there will be another hearing of the 1/6 Committee at 1:00 P.M. ET. Looking forward to getting more evidence of Trump's corrupt attempt to overturn that election.
 

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It's a one sided sham show, there is no cross examination, just people under pressure to say what's expected lest they be held accountable for something.

Just because SCOTUS wouldn't hear the evidence, doesn't mean the election wasn't stolen.
Just like the 2016 where Hillary lost, they counted mail in votes at the end and almost stole 2016 for Hillary, they sure tried to.
EVERY VOTE NEEDS TO BE IN BY THE END OF ELECTION DAY !
This counting boxes of magic mail in ballots days later is wrong.

Meanwhile Biden is the worst potus in our history......who somehow got the most votes in our history......more than Obama......no, I don't believe it.

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It's a one sided sham show, there is no cross examination, just people under pressure to say what's expected lest they be held accountable for something.

Just because SCOTUS wouldn't hear the evidence, doesn't mean the election wasn't stolen.
Just like the 2016 where Hillary lost, they counted mail in votes at the end and almost stole 2016 for Hillary, they sure tried to.
EVERY VOTE NEEDS TO BE IN BY THE END OF ELECTION DAY !
This counting boxes of magic mail in ballots days later is wrong.

Meanwhile Biden is the worst potus in our history......who somehow got the most votes in our history......more than Obama......no, I don't believe it.

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No, you can't count all the votes on election day. There are several states that vote primarily by mail and most require the ballot be post marked by election day. Trump tried to say he won the election the night of November 3rd, but that wasn't close to the numbers of ballots still left to be counted. Trump wanted the count to stop in all states when the "red mirage" had him ahead. That is just nonsense. The red mirage as always had the Republican candidate ahead until the mail in ballots are counted, then the count swings back toward Democrats. Everyone should have their vote count. Even if Trump wants to stop the count once he is ahead. :LOL:
 

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Yesterday members of the DOJ were at Jeffrey Clark's home, possibly to search. Those who think that Merrick Garland hasn't done anything to hold Trump and his cronies culpable will see that they have been ramping up their investigations. Jeffrey Clark is the environmental lawyer who sought to get placed as AG in the days before Trump left the White House. He hasn't found employment since leaving the DOJ and it has been reported that he is trying to hang onto his license to practice law. 🤣

Turns out the DOJ went to Jeffrey Clark's home in order to search it under a warrant. This is not the only warrant the DOJ has served recently in their investigation of Trump and his cronies trying to overturn the 2020 election.
 
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Man, what a hearing today's 1/6 Committee was. It was mainly about Trump's corrupt dealings after his loss of the 2020 election.

The witnesses were Jeffrey Rosen, Richard Donoghue and Steve Engel. Between Dec. 23rd and Jan. 6th Trump met with Rosen, his acgting Attorney General daily trying to get him to push the lie that the DOJ had found widespread voter fraud and he had actually won the election. On Dec. 15th Trump pushed Engel to say that the DOJ had found fraud that would overturn the results of the election. On Dec. 27th Trump pressed Donoghue to say this also as he became more animated the closer to Jan. 6th the timeline got.

Donoghue had told Trump the DOJ had investigated his claims about a truck driver who had moved thousands of ballots from Pennsylvania to New York and found the accounts without merit. In fact none of the claims of fraud were found to be credible by the DOJ. Trump told Donoghue to "just say they found fraud and leave the rest to Congressional Republicans." Scott Perry introduced Trump to Jeffery Clark who worked as an environmental Lawyer at DOJ with no trial experience at all. But, he was willing to do what Trump wanted him to do.

For decades the DOJ's policy was that only the AG and the Deputy AG were allowed to talk to the president about investigations. Mark Meadows and Scott Perry had alleged that Pennsylvania had certified more votes than were cast. The DOJ Attorney for Pennsylvania had found a website that made this claim because they hadn't updated 4 counties and their count was off by about 250,000 votes because of that. So, thyat claim was also found to be baseless. Ken Klukowski joined the DOJ at this point and with Jeffrey Clark and John Eastman pushed the lie that Bill Barr had confirmed was false, that there had been widespread fraud in swing states in 2020.

By Jan. 2nd Jeffrey Clark told Rosen and Donoghue that he would be installed as the AG and would they sign a letter stating there had been fraud during the election? Both men told Clark that neither one would sign a bogus letter like that. On Jan. 4th Trump held a meeting in the Oval Office to try to gain support for his fraud claims and to see what people might do if Clark were installed as AG. Donoghue told Trump Clark was supremely unqualified to run the DOJ. This opinion was supported by everyone in the room. Donoghue told Trump he had a lot left to lose. He told Trump that to claim fraud would not only be illegal, but also unconstitutional. Everyone in the room said they would resign rather than serve under Clark.
 

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During that Oval Office meeting where Trump pushed the possibility that Jeffrey Clark would take over as the AG and put forth the narrative that the election had been marred by massive fraud, Steven Engel said he would absolutely resign, Donghue stated that hundreds of DOJ leaders would also resign. Then Pat Cipillone called it a "murder/suicide pact." He said he never wanted to see anything about this ever again. It was Steven Engel saying that Clark would be leading a graveyard at DOJ that seemed to get Trump's attention. The story wouldn't be that the election was stolen. It would be that two AGs within weeks had been fired to get an unqualified guy to push what no one else would.
 

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I will take Barr over Garland as my AG anytime, hell I wouldn't trust Garland with 20 bucks till Friday......and it'll be Friday in about 30 min. ;)

On a brighter note, NY and NJ as well as other blue States, will have to stop infringing on the peoples 2nd amendment rights as lawsuits are about to fly, thank God for President Trump and his 3 fantastic SCOTUS appointments.

What shocks me still is the way you liberals have done nothing good with your turn at bat, Biden who is really just a puppet to the woke mob has done nothing but make life worse for everyone and the recession is still to come......you talked about liberal ideas, but your implementation has been a freaking disaster, maybe it's because you hate America and want to tear it down and " re-imagine it " in your " Great reset "...... Hey assholes, we live here, you can't tear down our home while were living in it to make it some concept of your socialist utopia, besides everything you have done so far has been a dam disaster.....one we will all be paying for long after you're voted out.
 
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I will take Barr over Garland as my AG anytime, hell I wouldn't trust Garland with 20 bucks till Friday......and it'll be Friday in about 30 min. ;)

On a brighter note, NY and NJ as well as other blue States, will have to stop infringing on the peoples 2nd amendment rights as lawsuits are about to fly, thank God for President Trump and his 3 fantastic SCOTUS nominations.

What shocks me still is the way you liberals have done nothing good with your turn at bat, Biden who is really just a puppet to the woke mob has done nothing but make life worse for everyone and the recession is still to come......you talked about liberal ideas, but your implementation has been a freaking disaster, maybe it's because you hate America and want to tear it down and " re-imagine it " in your " Great reset "...... Hey assholes, we live here, you can't tear down our home while were living in it to make it some concept of your socialist utopia, besides everything you have done so far has been a dam disaster.....one we will all be paying for long after you're voted out.

That's funny. You know Fox News cut off the hearing when Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney made their closing arguments. They are still trying to apply the lies that Trump pushed to overturn the election he lost fair and square. You can be happy that SCOTUS went far beyond what most Americans believe we should have as safe gun laws, but when you have nothing else to exclaim, you have to go with what you've got. I'm not concerned about what Republicans are saying about Biden. That is just you trying to obfuscate the truth about Trump and his corrupt administration. Good luck with that. You're sure gonna need it. 🤣

You probably didn't see that at least a half dozen Republicans asked Trump directly for pardons. No one does that unless they have committed a crime. That would be hilarious if it weren't so appalling!
 
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Nobody cares about the democrats latest Trump bashing festival and your Trump derangement syndrome, furthermore you pretending to have a moral compass when it comes to dirty politicians is an absolute joke.

That said I don't expect Trump can win the Republican primaries.
 




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