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Basement dweller Biden supposedly got more votes than Trump who got more votes than Obama..........Basement dweller Biden got the most votes of any President in American history and some interloper named Ossoff actually beat Perdue in the Georgia Senate runoff held a month after Biden " won " ...........WOW, that's amazing......hard to believe, it's hard........virtually impossible to believe.

Were lucky that thousands of people aren't charged with seditious something after the 2020 election, too bad all those Trump supporters have that annoying Freedom of Speech protection huh ?

BTW, Did you know ? 💡 Everything we say and do online and on a cell phone leaves a permanent record, that's right, the Orwellian nightmare is at hand.

Everyone should go to church on Sunday and leave your cell phones in the car, take a break, go camping and get off the grid for awhile.

Biden did get more votes than anyone in history thanks mostly to Trump himself. Just because you have a hard time believing it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact Trump and the GOP lost 60 court cases trying to overturn what every state found though multiple recounts. These things have been litigated ad infinitum with the exact same results in every case.
 



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Wtf, some places are just giving up and letting criminals loot and steal:



 

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Biden did get more votes than anyone in history thanks mostly to Trump himself. Just because you have a hard time believing it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact Trump and the GOP lost 60 court cases trying to overturn what every state found though multiple recounts. These things have been litigated ad infinitum with the exact same results in every case.


Litigated in a hot second or like the SCOTUS refused to hear the case at all because the President of the United States of America lacked " standing " ........that's not litigated ad infinitum, that's glossed over, likely with the CIA behind the curtain telling them it's a matter of national security or something to refuse the case.


Wtf, some places are just giving up and letting criminals loot and steal:




Progressive liberal governance at it's finest.
 

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I mean, I do see a lot of value in bail reform, and the problem with cash bail, but we've gone way to far to the other end now and just releasing people willy nilly. Violent criminals, organized criminals and repeat repeat offenders should not be dumped back on the street, that's ridiculous. Other non violent and non repeat offenders can just be released without bail pre trail.

I can see getting rid of cash bail, solely the severity/nature of the crime should determine whether they are held pre trail or not, not how much money they have. Anything related to organized crime (including these recent large scale mass wave robberies), any violent felony, and multiple repeat offenders need to be held. If they are later found to be not guilty they should then be compensated for the time held.


The images in that article about the train looting looked like some sorry scene from a third world country, not the USA.
 

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Litigated in a hot second or like the SCOTUS refused to hear the case at all because the President of the United States of America lacked " standing " ........that's not litigated ad infinitum, that's glossed over, likely with the CIA behind the curtain telling them it's a matter of national security or something to refuse the case.




Progressive liberal governance at it's finest.
The SCOTUS didn't take up any of Trump's cases because they had no merit and the SCOTUS only takes about 3% of the cases sent to them. Factually the Federal courts looked at this 60 times and found absolutely no merit to any of Trump's filings. Even the appeals court found none. That is why the SCOTUS didn't take it up even though the SCOTUS has a 6 to 3 conservative leaning. You can't blame the SCOTUS for Trump's failures. They would rule in his favor IF any had merit.
 

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No the SCOTUS did not say the case lacked merit, they said Trump lacked standing to get it heard before October and the court was split 4-4 on hearing the illegal Pennsylvania mail in ballot rules change.


 
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It was basically the same as Trump and the GOP had been trying to get the SCOTUS to overturn Federal court's rulings which in a 6 to 3 ruling they denied. The one line ruling read, " The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and referred by him to the court is denied." Texas even tried to say they had standing to get involved in other state's elections. All the lower courts said they had no merit and the SCOTUS agreed. That left Trump with the Capital insurgence idea which got him impeached again and may get him prosecuted as this is being investigated by the DOJ, New York and Georgia.

Thanks to Joe Biden people can now get in home antigen tests free with insurance. That happened pretty quickly as he said it would be this month when these would become more available. ;)
 
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It's not that simple, mass mail out ballots and ballot harvesting are a recipe for systemic fraud.

Trump said to go protest peacefully and patriotically and there was no insurgency, just a mostly peaceful protest where some fringe radicals were coerced into trespassing by federal agents in the crowd.
The OathKeepers guys from what I read, secured their weapons outside of Washington, that shows they intended to NOT be armed at the protest......These people are preppers, they like to be ready for whatever that never happens and who doesn't bitch about government, it's just more proof that we have no privacy and anything can be contorted to fill a political narrative.

Biden has been a abject pitiable failure in all aspects of his presidency and his unenviable low approval rating unquestionably promulgates it so profoundly that even Biden's core supporters are unable to convincingly feign ignorance to the blatantly overt fact, why you continue to attempt and fail at it I expect is just another symptom of your ongoing TDS mental illness.
 
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Yeah, you Trump supporters still claim voter fraud against the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. In total about 400 ballots cast in 2020 may have been fraudulent and most of those were cast by Trump supporters. If you took every fraudulent ballot and put them all in any battleground state it would not be enough to change the outcome in that state.

There have been more than 725 Capital rioters charged with crimes and at least another 350 that still have yet to be identified. That was Far from a peaceful protest and was coordinated by Oath Keepers and other militia and White supremacist groups. There are lots of videos showing the violence perpetrated these rioters. There are even more text messages and emails sent to coordinate these actions on 1/6 sent on the encrypted app Signal. Though they tried to delete these, many have been confiscated by the FBI. We shall see what happens in court when these people have to face trial, though some have plead guilty and are now helping with these prosecutions.
 

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Most militia groups from what I understand are not racist or extremist, they are patriots who stand together for our Constitutionally recognized Rights, I think you anti-capitalism anti-America progressives call anyone who stands up for our Constitutional Rights an " Extremist " and if they are white you just make the leap to white supremacist, just like you have been calling everyone " racist " who doesn't agree with your socialism agenda. Just like you called concerned parents " domestic terrorist " for not wanting their children indoctrinated with racist Marxist CRT.

Progressive liberals are the extremist, you're the radicals who are pushing major change thinking you know better how other peoples money should be spent and you're the racist pushing CRT, exploiting race and identity politics for political gain, promoting BLM mob violence and selective enforcement of the law in liberal cities which are suffering the effects of liberal governance.

The vast majority of Trump supporters are NOT racist, it's the liberals who are calling Trump supporters racist and exploiting identity politics who are the racist.

Requiring ID to vote IS NOT RACISM !

NOBODY should be trying to overthrow OUR American government and the 1/6 protest was just that, a protest, but a year of BLM mob violence fostered by liberal city mayors and the current crime wave fostered by Sorros funded liberal prosecutors along with the virtual crippling of our police is a much bigger threat and that's not racist for me to say, it's a fact, you progressives want socialism/communism, you want to overthrow OUR American government from within. Progressive liberals are the extremist and exploiters of racism.

 
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Wrong. Money has value because it can be exchanged for goods and services, money is concentrated work.

I used to be agnostic....maybe even a bit of an atheist, I thought man could live better without religion, I was wrong.
Religion is a counterbalance to government, both are forms of control.
Religion gives us unity and the strength to make sacrifices for the good of our community, religion can be used to convince healthy young men to fly airplanes into buildings or fight in horrific wars, religion is usually based on good principals and the scriptures do contain knowledge that can be useful, but as for controlling people remember this: You can't bullshit a bullshitter but you can bullshit yourself.
Alright guys let's just try to keep religion out of the politics thread. It doesn't mix well
it absolutely can and must mix!
John Adams said “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
To red cowboy- religion is more than just a system of control- true religion is concerned with the truth. And the truth is that Jesus is the savior of mankind- he came and gave his life as a ransom for many and to set captives free. If history shows that Jesus died and rose again (and it does, it’s as verifiable as the fact that George Washington was the first president) then that completely changes the way we are to live our lives here and now- because Jesus is alive and saved us from our sins, and the wrath of a just and holy God who necessarily must punish sinful people by sending them to hell because of his just nature. Would a judge be good if he just let murderers run free? But Jesus offered Himself to take on our punishment- and all he asks of us is to place our faith in Him and believe. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and you believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Saved from what? Saved from your own sins, and the wrath of God.
 

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it absolutely can and must mix!
John Adams said “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
To red cowboy- religion is more than just a system of control- true religion is concerned with the truth. And the truth is that Jesus is the savior of mankind- he came and gave his life as a ransom for many and to set captives free. If history shows that Jesus died and rose again (and it does, it’s as verifiable as the fact that George Washington was the first president) then that completely changes the way we are to live our lives here and now- because Jesus is alive and saved us from our sins, and the wrath of a just and holy God who necessarily must punish sinful people by sending them to hell because of his just nature. Would a judge be good if he just let murderers run free? But Jesus offered Himself to take on our punishment- and all he asks of us is to place our faith in Him and believe. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and you believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Saved from what? Saved from your own sins, and the wrath of God.
I wasn't asking. No religion in this thread.
 

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Most militia groups from what I understand are not racist or extremist, they are patriots who stand together for our Constitutionally recognized Rights, I think you anti-capitalism anti-America progressives call anyone who stands up for our Constitutional Rights an " Extremist " and if they are white you just make the leap to white supremacist, just like you have been calling everyone " racist " who doesn't agree with your socialism agenda. Just like you called concerned parents " domestic terrorist " for not wanting their children indoctrinated with racist Marxist CRT.

Progressive liberals are the extremist, you're the radicals who are pushing major change thinking you know better how other peoples money should be spent and you're the racist pushing CRT, exploiting race and identity politics for political gain, promoting BLM mob violence and selective enforcement of the law in liberal cities which are suffering the effects of liberal governance.

The vast majority of Trump supporters are NOT racist, it's the liberals who are calling Trump supporters racist and exploiting identity politics who are the racist.

Requiring ID to vote IS NOT RACISM !

NOBODY should be trying to overthrow OUR American government and the 1/6 protest was just that, a protest, but a year of BLM mob violence fostered by liberal city mayors and the current crime wave fostered by Sorros funded liberal prosecutors along with the virtual crippling of our police is a much bigger threat and that's not racist for me to say, it's a fact, you progressives want socialism/communism, you want to overthrow OUR American government from within. Progressive liberals are the extremist and exploiters of racism.


I guess the people who carried those Confederate flags into the Capital on 1/6/21 were just as protesting as Trump flags were too. Donald Trump lost the last election even though you don't believe he did. 🤣
 

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So it seems you disagree with John Adam’s then 🤷‍♂️
This thread is for politics and people to vent their issues with POLITICS. It's as simple as that. You want to discuss religion then there's a thread for that. You don't have to understand or agree with it but I expect you to keep religion out of this thread. I'm not interested in getting trapped into an argument about it so don't start saying crap like that.
 




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