Politics and General Debates Thread

[RedCowboy]

How does this pencil holder make you feel ? If your answer is ( aroused ) then you just might have TDS.

TDS is a mental illness, don't be afraid to seek professional help.

 

[RedCowboy]

Lets face the fact that dems are hyping 1/6 again in hopes of federalizing elections, so dems can steal another election, because with Biden/Harris dems know they can't legitimately win.

 

[paul1598419]

Actually, the "stolen election" narrative is similar to what the south said after losing the Civil War, that they didn't lose....it was always just a states rights issue having nothing to do with slavery. Or what Germans said after losing WW I, that it was their Republican government or Jews who were to blame. It is easier to believe in these lies instead of admitting you just lost. That is why there is this resurgence of the "big lie" and anything except that Joe Biden won the 2020 election fairly without massive fraud......anything but that "we lost." As I have shown this is nothing new for losers. The GOP refuses to believe they lost!!

 

[RedCowboy]

States have always set their own election rules, it's in our Constitution.
The Constitution states that " The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof. "

You dems/libs need to stop looking for new ways to cheat and comparing Republicans to Nazis doesn't even surprise me anymore, dems/libs will say anything no matter how disgusting, that just shows how desperate you are to stay in power, but I don't know why.....you can't get anything done right anyway.

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Justice Sotomayor got 4 Pinocchios for her false statement that 100,000 children are on ventilators in hospitals due to COVID.

 

[paul1598419]

States have always set their own election rules, it's in our Constitution.
The Constitution states that " The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof. "

You dems/libs need to stop looking for new ways to cheat and comparing Republicans to Nazis doesn't even surprise me anymore, dems/libs will say anything no matter how disgusting, that just shows how desperate you are to stay in power, but I don't know why.....you can't get anything done right anyway.

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Justice Sotomayor got 4 Pinocchios for her false statement that 100,000 children are on ventilators in hospitals due to COVID.

Yes, states do have the power to administer elections as long as they don't push lies to favor just one demographic and disenfranchise their political rivals. That is what Republicans have been trying to do from the start. And that is why Democrats are trying to pass new voter legislation that allows everyone who is of age and a citizen to vote. There was no massive voter fraud in the 2020 election and Joe Biden won it fairly regardless of what Trump supporters are saying now. It doesn't matter how often you lie. It remains a lie. I expect the House select committee to start having open to the public hearings so voters can see for themselves what the GOP is doing. You know you cannot win any election pushing these election lies.

 

[RedCowboy]

Republicans want a fair election, we don't want another stolen election, we want people to show their ID and if people don't have an ID ( who doesn't ) then they can get one for ((( FREE ))) and it's democrats who are passing BS laws to let illegal immigrants vote.

IT'S DEMOCRATS WHO ARE PASSING LAWS TO LET ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VOTE !

Mass mail-out ballots and ballot requests are prone to fraud, this has been the case in European countries and is why most of them don't allow mail-in voting.

Ballot harvesting is prone to fraud, you bastards just stole an election with mail-out and ballot harvesting and look at the fucking disaster Biden has been, you don't need to steal any more.

Must show ID
NO mail-out/in except overseas military and the infirmed.
No ballot harvesting.

That's not discrimination unless you think it's discrimination against cheaters.
And it's not handing out food and water to voters in line that was a problem, it was handing out food and water and other goods/money to only democrat voters.

 

[paul1598419]

Republicans want a fair election, we don't want another stolen election, we want people to show their ID and if people don't have an ID ( who doesn't ) then they can get one for ((( FREE ))) and it's democrats who are passing BS laws to let illegal immigrants vote.

IT'S DEMOCRATS WHO ARE PASSING LAWS TO LET ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VOTE !

Mass mail-out ballots and ballot requests are prone to fraud, this has been the case in European countries and is why most of them don't allow mail-in voting.

Ballot harvesting is prone to fraud, you bastards just stole an election with mail-out and ballot harvesting and look at the fucking disaster Biden has been, you don't need to steal any more.

Must show ID
NO mail-out/in except overseas military and the infirmed.
No ballot harvesting.

That's not discrimination unless you think it's discrimination against cheaters.
And it's not handing out food and water to voters in line that was a problem, it was handing out food and water and other goods/money to only democrat voters.

Again, mail in ballots are NOT prone at all to fraud. That is the nonsense Republicans are pushing. Not only are they not prone to Fraud, but everyone in Utah, a Republican state, votes by mail. The fact of the matter is the 2020 election was the most secure election according to Republicans in Georgia. You don't like that so Trump is trying to push Raffensperger out. That is hilarious to me. You guys lost, but just can't admit it.

 

[RedCowboy]

I have said before that I can't prove the 2020 election was stolen, but I am not convinced that it wasn't either, especially the Ga. Senate runoff election which was very difficult to believe, but then again a lot of people are fleeing California and other liberal run cities and coming to Ga. and I expect we had a lot of new voters in that runoff......Actually 76,000 which begs the question of Sorros funded orgs. that may have helped people relocate illegally to impact the election, but even if they didn't just the dark money the PACs is as bad as any of the Republican funding that you cry about.

By mail voting is not as secure as in person voting, that is a fact.
Ga. is investigating illegal ballot harvesting in the 2020 election, which should be illegal in every State but isn't, another reason vote by mail should be limited.

You haven't listed any voting law changes that prevent minorities from voting, because there are none, democrats want to change the rules in the Senate that have always been in place to insure democracy and insure that the minority has a voice, but now you democrats want to throw all future minority participation and inclusion out the window so that you can change the rules to favor yourselves right now, because Biden has been a total fail and you have nothing else. Pitiful.

It's almost certainly not going to work, not even as a pressure tactic which I expect is why Schumer is pushing it, well that and to give the appearance of trying to do the bidding of the radical progressives, still democrats are the radicals today who are trying to make radical changes, changes that are proving out to be a fail, all the Sorros funded city leaders are doing is empowering criminals, democrats are becoming the destructive force, yet you accuse others of attacking democracy, which is what you are doing, typical hypocrite liars.

Everyone there went through broken windows or doors and had to fight with the Capital Police injuring hundreds of them. Trying to compare this to any BLM protest is nonsense as this was done at the behest of the sitting president and hasn't been seen since the war of 1812. There was mass destruction and and threats against the Congress while Trump supporters tried to overturn a legal election to put their lost candidate back into the presidency after he lost by more than 7 million votes and 75 electoral college votes. That is the definition of a coup. And Donald Trump sat in front of his television and cheered as his mob did his bidding. Many of the people who once went to him asking that he tell his supporters to go home have now taken to accepting that the 2020 election was stolen against the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That is today's GOP! A cult of Trump. No ideals or any position. Just anything Trump wants! This is the worst this country has seen in over 200 years!

This is a lie.

Not everyone who walked into the Capital on 1/6 had to go through broken windows or fight with police, that's not true.

Many walked in through open doors and past standing Capital police who never said a word about them being closed or asking people to leave, not in the video I saw.

No Trump said: Go and protest peacefully and patriotically.

NOPE wrong again, the definition of a coup is : " A sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. "
Power was never seized from government, not even close.

You saw Trump sitting in front of a TV cheering the mob ? Post your reference or stop lying.

Todays GOP is becoming the party of the worker while democrats are becoming the party of the wealthy and the woke doing Sorros bidding and driving liberal city crime to record highs.

 

[Encap]

LOL

U.S. Democracy Under Siege After Tech Lobbyist Invites Some Senators To Dinner​

WASHINGTON—In what both ordinary citizens and experts agreed was a threat to the nation’s political system, American democracy reportedly came under siege Thursday after a tech lobbyist invited some senators to dinner. “Rarely do we see such a brazen attack on our democratic values, and yet we could only watch in shock and horror as a paid representative for several biotech firms entered Charlie Palmer Steak with three U.S. senators for a sumptuous five-course meal,” said political scientist Monica Turley, adding that the vicious assault on representative self-government was compounded by the fact that U.S. intelligence officials had done nothing to address it, despite records showing that the dinner reservation had been in place for months. “Only in a country where democracy is in real danger could we see the lobbyist for a private interest discussing wine pairings with sitting members of Congress. What’s even more frightening is how shameless this attempt on our democracy was: Any passerby could have seen these individuals openly plotting how they would split up the seared foie gras and heirloom tomato salad. Ultimately, we may look back at the dinner of Jan. 6, 2022, as the beginning of the complete breakdown of the contract between the government and its people.” Political experts were at a loss for how to address this blatant threat to democracy, adding that virtually no one in any U.S. government institution seemed capable of doing anything to prevent the group from ordering dessert.
~ The Onion - America's Finest News Source ~

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[bostjan]

I have said before that I can't prove the 2020 election was stolen, but I am not convinced that it wasn't either, especially the Ga. Senate runoff election which was very difficult to believe, but then again a lot of people are fleeing California and other liberal run cities and coming to Ga. and I expect we had a lot of new voters in that runoff......Actually 76,000 which begs the question of Sorros funded orgs. that may have helped people relocate illegally to impact the election, but even if they didn't just the dark money the PACs is as bad as any of the Republican funding that you cry about.

By mail voting is not as secure as in person voting, that is a fact.
Ga. is investigating illegal ballot harvesting in the 2020 election, which should be illegal in every State but isn't, another reason vote by mail should be limited.

You haven't listed any voting law changes that prevent minorities from voting, because there are none, democrats want to change the rules in the Senate that have always been in place to insure democracy and insure that the minority has a voice, but now you democrats want to throw all future minority participation and inclusion out the window so that you can change the rules to favor yourselves right now, because Biden has been a total fail and you have nothing else. Pitiful.

It's almost certainly not going to work, not even as a pressure tactic which I expect is why Schumer is pushing it, well that and to give the appearance of trying to do the bidding of the radical progressives, still democrats are the radicals today who are trying to make radical changes, changes that are proving out to be a fail, all the Sorros funded city leaders are doing is empowering criminals, democrats are becoming the destructive force, yet you accuse others of attacking democracy, which is what you are doing, typical hypocrite liars.





This is a lie.

Not everyone who walked into the Capital on 1/6 had to go through broken windows or fight with police, that's not true.

Many walked in through open doors and past standing Capital police who never said a word about them being closed or asking people to leave, not in the video I saw.

No Trump said: Go and protest peacefully and patriotically.

NOPE wrong again, the definition of a coup is : " A sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. "
Power was never seized from government, not even close.

You saw Trump sitting in front of a TV cheering the mob ? Post your reference or stop lying.

Todays GOP is becoming the party of the worker while democrats are becoming the party of the wealthy and the woke doing Sorros bidding and driving liberal city crime to record highs.

One of the craziest things to me is how everyone likes to argue about which group of rich politicians better represents the average working class guy. Is it Trump with his gilded skyscrapers and $2.5B, Biden with his decades-long career as a Senator and $10M, or Bernie Sanders with his socialist ideas that have earned him $3M in the bank and multiple vacation homes? Might as well argue about whether a dingo or coyote would make a better babysitter for you infant or which email scam would be the best way to invest your money.

I get that a lot of people liked that Trump was not a career politician. But you have to be honest with yourself. Trump was not a politician, but he was one of the people buying off the politicians. I'm not sure how cutting out the middleman in that sort of scenario was ever going to help. He lied just like a politician, believed he was above the rules just like a politician, and clenched onto his power as long as he could- like a politician. What did anyone gain from having him in the White House versus any politician?

For that matter, democrats like to project this false image onto Trump of everything they dislike. A lot of what democrats hated most about Trump were just things Trump's supporters (often in the fringes) said or did. I'm not going to defend the bonkers stuff Trump did, like the Zelensky call, or the dumb things he said during press conferences about unproven drugs and putting (presumably household) disinfectant into the body to cure covid, but likewise he can't be directly blamed for Giuliani's gaffes nor for the fringe groups that ran people over in Charlottesville. I agree that there is some indirect association, but it makes the trail of culpability more difficult to understand.

At the end of the day, we have too many people in the USA using Washington primarily as a force to attain more wealth.

 

[paul1598419]

I have said before that I can't prove the 2020 election was stolen, but I am not convinced that it wasn't either, especially the Ga. Senate runoff election which was very difficult to believe, but then again a lot of people are fleeing California and other liberal run cities and coming to Ga. and I expect we had a lot of new voters in that runoff......Actually 76,000 which begs the question of Sorros funded orgs. that may have helped people relocate illegally to impact the election, but even if they didn't just the dark money the PACs is as bad as any of the Republican funding that you cry about.

By mail voting is not as secure as in person voting, that is a fact.
Ga. is investigating illegal ballot harvesting in the 2020 election, which should be illegal in every State but isn't, another reason vote by mail should be limited.

You haven't listed any voting law changes that prevent minorities from voting, because there are none, democrats want to change the rules in the Senate that have always been in place to insure democracy and insure that the minority has a voice, but now you democrats want to throw all future minority participation and inclusion out the window so that you can change the rules to favor yourselves right now, because Biden has been a total fail and you have nothing else. Pitiful.

It's almost certainly not going to work, not even as a pressure tactic which I expect is why Schumer is pushing it, well that and to give the appearance of trying to do the bidding of the radical progressives, still democrats are the radicals today who are trying to make radical changes, changes that are proving out to be a fail, all the Sorros funded city leaders are doing is empowering criminals, democrats are becoming the destructive force, yet you accuse others of attacking democracy, which is what you are doing, typical hypocrite liars.





This is a lie.

Not everyone who walked into the Capital on 1/6 had to go through broken windows or fight with police, that's not true.

Many walked in through open doors and past standing Capital police who never said a word about them being closed or asking people to leave, not in the video I saw.

No Trump said: Go and protest peacefully and patriotically.

NOPE wrong again, the definition of a coup is : " A sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. "
Power was never seized from government, not even close.

You saw Trump sitting in front of a TV cheering the mob ? Post your reference or stop lying.

Todays GOP is becoming the party of the worker while democrats are becoming the party of the wealthy and the woke doing Sorros bidding and driving liberal city crime to record highs.

I get it. You don't like the outcome of the 2020 election or the Georgia Senate runoff in 2021. Trump claims that he won again, by a landslide. That is ridiculous. He just can't admit defeat, so he was the first sitting president to leave the White House before the president elect was inaugurated. Georgia has passed laws making it more difficult for minorities to vote by removing polling sites, making it far more difficult to absentee vote and, this one really gets me, making it illegal to offer water to persons standing in line to vote. It really doesn't matter if the numbers of person who voted for the Senate were new voters, but I really doubt that was the case. It is always some other reason that Republicans lost than just a fair election. Crime isn't increasing in large cities because they are liberal. According to most experts the pandemic has had a lot to do with that. The attempted coup did come quite close and was spurred on by Trump personally. He is now being sued by people who were there and suffered because of that. Republicans have always been the party of the wealthy. They passed all the tax cuts for them. George Sorros is not a Democratic leader and trying to make him seem as though he were is disingenuous. The Democratic leaders are Biden, Pelosi and Schumer.

 

[RedCowboy]

Crime is increasing in liberal cities because of Sorros funded liberal DA's and inane liberal policy such as bail reform and de-funding police.

State voting law reforms are to prevent fraud and the bribing of voters.

Biden has done nothing to end COVID, Biden hasn't even provided the testing we need, even after democrats raged on and on about testing, Biden has failed and Biden has even been in the way of therapeutics, Biden has done less than nothing to end COVID.

Biden and Harris are in Atlanta today at the MLK memorial to press for a national election stealing scheme but even Stacey Abrams and the Black leaders/King family refused to attend, only 6% of people support any kind of federalized election changes.
Did you get that paul......Biden/Harris are so unpopular that the Black leaders chose NOT to attend today and even Stacey Abrams agrees with civil rights leaders that this national election stealing scheme is dead on arrival.

Biden is a total fail.

 

[bostjan]

Crime is increasing in liberal cities because of Sorros funded liberal DA's and inane liberal policy such as bail reform and de-funding police.

State voting law reforms are to prevent fraud and the bribing of voters.

Biden has done nothing to end COVID, Biden hasn't even provided the testing we need, even after democrats raged on and on about testing, Biden has failed and Biden has even been in the way of therapeutics, Biden has done less than nothing to end COVID.

Biden and Harris are in Atlanta today at the MLK memorial to press for a national election stealing scheme but even Stacey Abrams and the Black leaders/King family refused to attend, only 6% of people support any kind of federalized election changes.
Did you get that paul......Biden/Harris are so unpopular that the Black leaders chose NOT to attend today and even Stacey Abrams agrees with civil rights leaders that this national election stealing scheme is dead on arrival.

Biden is a total fail.

1. Crime is on the rise as it always is in liberal cities. I'm not seeing the Soros connection, but policy is a piece of the puzzle...
2. No one in government can end covid, nor could they ever have, unless you are talking about the Chinese government and going back in time over two years. Biden could certainly do a better job addressing everything that is within his control, though, around covid.
3. Abrams didn't boycott the event, though, she just had some other more important stuff to do. Plenty of other activists did boycott it. Many of the surviving King family were there; I'm not sure why you say they refused to attend. I mean, it'd be absolutely daffy to refuse to pay respect to your dad/brother/grandfather/etc. because the president showed up to the party anyway.
4. Where'd you come up with 6%?

 

[RedCowboy]

I heard 6% on cnn and they said the Black leaders were not attending........scheduling conflict my furry ass, Abrams doesn't want to be attached to Bidens next L

Liberal policy is a big driving factor behind the crime we are seeing, when Kim Foxx and the NewYork DA say they won't prosecute....what do you think the criminal element is going to do ???? They become capitalist and sell their stolen goods on ebay.
Bail reform and de-funding police hasn't helped one bit.

Biden said " I will end this. " Biden said he had a plan to END COVID ! Looks like that plan was to do nothing but get in the way.

 

[bostjan]

mind games people.......MIND GAMES. The trick is midirection. While people argue about politics, the politicians are on the golf course. Power has always been fronted.

+1

It's the WWE. The opponents are backstage buddies, and the stuff you see in the media is all played up to rile up the fans with drama.

If Trump truly hated HRC and the other politicians, why were none of them locked up as promised? If the democrats wanted Trump locked up so bad, why isn't he locked up as promised? It's because they all know that each other break the rules and they are probably even comparing notes behind the scenes. The goal is to obtain more power, not to enact any sort of justice.

 

[paul1598419]

I haven't seen that 6% number either. I doubt anyone on CNN said that. Yeah, I watched the debates in 2020 too. I agree that politicians say whatever it takes to get elected during the debates. Trump said stuff that didn't come to fruition, but he lost, though that is not what he says. Still claiming against all evidence that he won.

It is up to the DOJ to prosecute Trump. I think that will happen. The state of Georgia and New York may also prosecute Trump. They are certainly investigating him.