Politics and General Debates Thread

[paul1598419]

YOU ARE A LIAR !!!

The progressive scumbags called on garland to use the alphabet agencies to intimidate concerned parents who don't want the racist Marxist CRT identity politics indoctrination forced on their children and that tyrant McAuliffie said parents should have NO SAY in what their children are taught in school.

Document reveals McAuliffe admi. pushed Va. schools to 'embrace' critical race theory

WASHINGTON (TND) — A leakeddocumentappears to show the Virginia Department of Education encouraged public schools to "embrace"critical race theory(CRT) while Democrat Terry McAuliffe was governor. McAuliffe, who is running for Virginia governor again this year, recently claimed critical race...

wset.com

Why do you insist on calling ME a liar as this was in the Post today. I guess that is easier than replying to the facts as reported by the Washington Post. Yes, the GOP has been trying to scare voters in Virginia as they have no policy to stand by. We shall see how this election turns out after it's over. I guess you'll say it was all fraud if Youngkin loses. That is the Trump way of responding to lost elections.

 

[RedCowboy]

Lets read the article which I expect is an OPINION article and I expect you embellished the shit out of it, but besides all of that I know from multiple sources what has happened, Virginia school system liberals who have had to deal with irate parents after they ignored a girl getting raped and sodomized by a boy in a skirt claiming to be transgender was allowed in the girls locker room and Virginia school officials ignored the problem.

The same Virginia school administrators complained to Garland about irate parents who don't want their children brainwashed with CRT/identity politics claiming the parents could be some kind of domestic terrorist because calling them racist wasn't working to scare them away, so Garland instructed the FBI to investigate irate parents, this is a blatant attempt to intimidate parents who have every right to be concerned and speak out at PTA meetings where their voices have been limited by the same school system liberals with an agenda.

The Virginia democrat Gov. McAuliffe said parents have no business in deciding what their own kids should learn in school.

I call you a liar because you lie, it's really simple, YOU ARE A LIAR !

If irate parents are breaking any laws that's a job for Virginia police, not the God dam FBI to treat irate parents as domestic freaking terrorist, that's a very transparent attempt to silence those who stand against the disgusting progressive agenda.

Father whose daughter was 'raped' slams Merrick Garland

Scott Smith, who was dragged out of a Virginia school board meeting after his daughter was 'raped' in girls' bathroom by 'skirt-wearing' male student is slamming Merrick Garland.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Explosive Docs Prove McAuliffe's Admin Pushed CRT In Virginia Schools

Documents show that during his tenure as Virginia governor, Terry McAuliffe's Education Department was pushing public schools to teach critical race theory.

thefederalist.com

 

[Ears and Eggs]

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[paul1598419]

Lets read the article which I expect is an OPINION article and I expect you embellished the shit out of it, but besides all of that I know from multiple sources what has happened, Virginia school system liberals who have had to deal with irate parents after they ignored a girl getting raped and sodomized by a boy in a skirt claiming to be transgender was allowed in the girls locker room and Virginia school officials ignored the problem.

The same Virginia school administrators complained to Garland about irate parents who don't want their children brainwashed with CRT/identity politics claiming the parents could be some kind of domestic terrorist because calling them racist wasn't working to scare them away, so Garland instructed the FBI to investigate irate parents, this is a blatant attempt to intimidate parents who have every right to be concerned and speak out at PTA meetings where their voices have been limited by the same school system liberals with an agenda.

The Virginia democrat Gov. McAuliffe said parents have no business in deciding what their own kids should learn in school.

I call you a liar because you lie, it's really simple, YOU ARE A LIAR !

If irate parents are breaking any laws that's a job for Virginia police, not the God dam FBI to treat irate parents as domestic freaking terrorist, that's a very transparent attempt to silence those who stand against the disgusting progressive agenda.

Father whose daughter was 'raped' slams Merrick Garland

Scott Smith, who was dragged out of a Virginia school board meeting after his daughter was 'raped' in girls' bathroom by 'skirt-wearing' male student is slamming Merrick Garland.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Explosive Docs Prove McAuliffe's Admin Pushed CRT In Virginia Schools

Documents show that during his tenure as Virginia governor, Terry McAuliffe's Education Department was pushing public schools to teach critical race theory.

thefederalist.com

That is just crap. Here is the Washington Post article that I referenced earlier. It has nothing to do with any rape that you allege or the DOJ spying on anyone who hasn't committed a criminal act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-doj-is-spying-parents-school-board-meetings/

 

[RedCowboy]

Not spying on anyone who hasn't committed a crime....really, a parent raising his/her voice is now a crime ? So you don't support the 1st amendment ?

Attorney General Garland sent a memo to FBI director Wray after the National School Boards Association claimed in a letter to Biden that the America’s public schools system and its education leaders agenda is under attack as parents grow frustrated with mask mandates being imposed on their children and critical race theory being injected into their curricula and Garland asked the FBI to investigate parents who spoke out at PTA meetings against CRT as potential domestic terrorist for as little as RAISING THEIR VOICES.

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Biden will be reinstating TRUMPS remain in Mexico policy after the Biden admin. lost in court, sadly we have already been burdened with a flood of illegal immigrants who are now in Americas heartland, most of which will not return to court but will remain as illegal immigrants.

 

[paul1598419]

Not spying on anyone who hasn't committed a crime....really, a parent raising his/her voice is now a crime ? So you don't support the 1st amendment ?

Attorney General Garland sent a memo to FBI director Wray after the National School Boards Association claimed in a letter to Biden that the America’s public schools system and its education leaders agenda is under attack as parents grow frustrated with mask mandates being imposed on their children and critical race theory being injected into their curricula and Garland asked the FBI to investigate parents who spoke out at PTA meetings against CRT as potential domestic terrorist for as little as RAISING THEIR VOICES.

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Biden will be reinstating TRUMPS remain in Mexico policy after the Biden admin. lost in court, sadly we have already been burdened with a flood of illegal immigrants who are now in Americas heartland, most of which will not return to court but will remain as illegal immigrants.

Yeah, you Republican Trump supporters are the liars here as it is always something about fraud in the 2020 election that no one else found. I know that most parents that vote in Virginia want their kids to have answers to their questions about race and the about the terrible mistreatment by White supremacists. This is our history even though Trump supporters don't want anyone talking about that. I remember living in Mississippi and all the lynchings going on there. It truly is our history and Merrick Garland did nothing to parents who wished only to debate the subject. He said succinctly that the Constitution protects anyone wishing to debate these issues.

 

[RedCowboy]

I couldn't prove in a court of law that the 2020 election was stolen, I have no problem saying that, never mind millions of late mail in ballots with no creases, still I admit that I couldn't prove fraud in court....especially if the court wouldn't look at any evidence of fraud.

That said I am not happy with the way covid was exploited to keep bipartisan watchers out of the ballot counting areas ( I saw this happening myself so don't try to peddle some BS ) and I am against mail out ballots and ballot requests, but I'm not the one bringing up election fraud, your assertion that it is always something about fraud in the 2020 election is invalid in reference to me, I haven't brought up election fraud in months ( I have responded to it. ) but I haven't brought it up as an excuse for anything and speaking of elections it's going to be something when Youngkin wins in Virginia even though it's a democrat fortified election.

The 2020 election is over and the mass mainstream media Trump hate campaign played a big part as many people voted against Trump without having any idea of what either candidate stood for, they just knew Trump was supposed to be a racist because that's what their television kept saying, yet when asked in the streets, they couldn't name/cite anything racist that Trump ever did, it was just virtue signaling but now many of those voters have buyers remorse, they are unhappy about Bidens cowardice in Afghanistan and the absolute debacle Biden made of our Southern border and voters are unhappy with inflation from the TRILLIONS we spent on covid that we pulled out of thin air, that money is now being stolen from everyones savings and their grocery money in the form of inflation and democrats what TRILLIONS more for a socialism bill with legislation pushing more CRT in the workplace.

Identity politics is all progressive democrats have as their policy has been an abject failure, bail reform has stores closing down due to un-prosecuted shoplifters, progressive DA Kim Fox has even refused to prosecute violent crime.

Racism has been exploited for political advantage by democrats but reaching into our schools and indoctrinating children is too much, leave the kids alone.

Debating issues is one thing, brainwashing children in our schools with Marxist CRT identity politics is quite another.

Most parents in Virginia do NOT want their children to be told they are bad people because of their skin color and they don't want young children being taught how to masturbate before they even reach puberty, they also don't want boys in the girls locker room. Parents in Virginia want to have a say in what their children are taught in school outside of the fundamentals and they are not domestic terrorist for saying so at PTA meetings, it's absolutely dastardly the way progressive liberals have attacked concerned parents and the Biden administration has been gutless when it comes to defending Americans in Afghanistan and gutless when it comes to defending parents rights in our school system, attacking children with CRT in our schools is disgusting, telling white children they are bad people because of their skin color is racism.

Elite K-8 school teaches white students they’re born racist

An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their blac…

nypost.com

"CRT teaches my daughter her mother is evil": Father gives testimony before school board

The father gave his opinion on critical race theory to the school board, saying the schools were failing its students.

www.newsweek.com

 

[paul1598419]

It is true that you haven't recently said anything about the fraud that didn't happen in the 2020 election, but you certainly did right after the election and in the months afterward. Trump and the GOP tried to say in court that the election was stolen, but you have to have some sort of evidence when you go to court and 60 cases found none of that. Sure, they alleged that fraud took place, but that is far from any evidence. Speaking of buyer remorse, many voters had that for the years after Trump got marginally elected, but that isn't the way we elect presidents. He did get impeached twice and the second time he got 10 Republicans in the House that agreed and 7 Republicans in the Senate that agreed with the 50 Democrats.That was the first time in history that we had bipartisan House and Senate agreement.

I have watched the egregious Republicans spew their hate at school board meetings about CRT, but that proves nothing about the majority of voters and their opinions. It was horrid to watch! We shall see who wins in Virginia, but I wouldn't think that Republicans have the governorship in the bag. In fact I think Democrats will hold onto the governorship there.

 

[conceptcar3]

It is true that you haven't recently said anything about the fraud that didn't happen in the 2020 election, but you certainly did right after the election and in the months afterward. Trump and the GOP tried to say in court that the election was stolen, but you have to have some sort of evidence when you go to court and 60 cases found none of that. Sure, they alleged that fraud took place, but that is far from any evidence. Speaking of buyer remorse, many voters had that for the years after Trump got marginally elected, but that isn't the way we elect presidents. He did get impeached twice and the second time he got 10 Republicans in the House that agreed and 7 Republicans in the Senate that agreed with the 50 Democrats.That was the first time in history that we had bipartisan House and Senate agreement.

I have watched the egregious Republicans spew their hate at school board meetings about CRT, but that proves nothing about the majority of voters and their opinions. It was horrid to watch! We shall see who wins in Virginia, but I wouldn't think that Republicans have the governorship in the bag. In fact I think Democrats will hold onto the governorship there.

Can’t find evidence when you Democrat losers smash your phones and burn it, withhold the routers, don’t permit access, make fake ballots, etc etc etc genius. It’s how you guys play. Cheat to win at all costs. Seems like it worked for you this time, but you’ll probably burn in hell for it.

 

[conceptcar3]

Biden himself admitted outright that you guys had “put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in history”

 

[RedCowboy]

Dark money and people like Stacey Abrams wrangled to have voting laws changed before the election, democrats love to fortify elections but don't expect an investigation from the Biden admin. or AG Garland.

Meanwhile China has tested a hyper-sonic missile built with our military chips made in Taiwan.......you just can't make this shit up, we better get some real leadership in office come 2024....if we survive until then.

 

[paul1598419]

Can’t find evidence when you Democrat losers smash your phones and burn it, withhold the routers, don’t permit access, make fake ballots, etc etc etc genius. It’s how you guys play. Cheat to win at all costs. Seems like it worked for you this time, but you’ll probably burn in hell for it.

Are you saying that Democrats are necessary to make the Republican case for them? Many of these states had Republicans in office like Brad Raffensperger in Georgia who stated that the election there was the most secure in the history of American elections. That also happened in Arizona and many other states, all of which counted and recounted the the votes, then certified the wins there. You seem to forget that many Republicans were also election on those same ballots that you claim were fraudulent. I guess we should throw those elections out as well.

Show me where Biden admitted to voter fraud on the part of Democrats. That never happened.

 

[RedCowboy]

The Biden admin. is moving illegal immigrants by private bus and aircraft into the heart of America and doing this in the dark of night.
You just can't make this shit up folks, Biden is attempting to change America illegally.
Biden has been ordered by the court to restart Trumps remain in Mexico policy.

 

[conceptcar3]

Are you saying that Democrats are necessary to make the Republican case for them? Many of these states had Republicans in office like Brad Raffensperger in Georgia who stated that the election there was the most secure in the history of American elections. That also happened in Arizona and many other states, all of which counted and recounted the the votes, then certified the wins there. You seem to forget that many Republicans were also election on those same ballots that you claim were fraudulent. I guess we should throw those elections out as well.

Show me where Biden admitted to voter fraud on the part of Democrats. That never happened.

True “republicans” disavow morons like Brad rafensperger you total buffoon. He is not a republican, he is on your side! Lol think mcfly. Do you have any ability to think critically and for yourself or do you just eat up what cnn spoon feeds you? There are tons of “republicans” who are really just as far left as you, Biden, and Obama. They are also complete morons. Anyone can call themselves a republican. John McCain and the recently deceased Colin Powell also called themselves republicans, but they were the same deep state globalist shills you Obama and Biden are. They are not in line with the principles real republicans stand for.

 

[bostjan]

I think we are conflating a lot of things here...

Does anyone remember playing Clue or Cluedo? It's just a kid's game, but it comes with an important lesson that applies to real life in very serious situations.

When you allege something, you are accusing someone of having done something illegal.
When you suggest something, you are claiming that there is a possible explanation for something you find to be otherwise strange.

It's possible to suggest that maybe the election was stolen. In that case, it shouldn't be taken as anything more than a guess. Investigators should then carry on doing their investigation.

It's also possible to accuse/allege. In that case, there should be some form of evidence that supports your accusation or allegation.

#1 Misconception: If someone suggests a conspiracy theory as such, they don't need proof, but, rather they want something looked into. So, if someone suggests something in that way, the response of "you don't have any proof" is only distracting.
#2 Misconception: If you make allegations or accusations without proof, then you don't know enough to make those allegations.

Regarding the election, here's what we know: Trump's followers are very adamant that Trump is the best, yet his overall approval ratings were consistently low from the day he took office, because the majority of people in the USA were not happy with him. Whether those people were unhappy for justifiable reasons or not, doesn't change the way they would have voted. Trump's subsequent handling of the covid pandemic as well as the constant negative news cycle around him certainly did not help convert people who didn't like him into suddenly liking him. When people went to the polls on election day, they, no big surprise, chose not to re-elect him. I'm not sure why anyone would suggest that it was surprising that he lost, but there are many people who were ultra-surprised. So much so, that those people saw no other possibility than that the election was stolen. But, frankly, that hypothesis is completely based in ignorance. When you have people mailing in their votes in an election involving a highly unpopular president, there are going to be a lot of votes against the president. Period. No conspiracy necessary at that point. If you want to argue about conspiracies involving the fact that ballots were mailed in or the fact that the news cycle was so negatively focused on Trump, those are related, but separate, issues. But the matter of fact is that there is no basis for the suggestion that the voting process itself was necessarily rigged based on the outcome. None. End of story? No, because there have been dozens of investigations into the allegations Trump made, and none of those investigations turned up anything substantial. None. End of story now? No, because Trump's followers have continued to make crazy predictions, again based on ignorance to the facts, that Trump will reclaim the office of president, and, in every case so far, there has been nothing that has come to pass to support that. Nothing. End of story!

Now, was the negative news cycle responsible for swaying the election? Absolutely. When Trump was president, you'd turn on the radio or television or computer or pick up a newspaper, and, every major story involved Trump. He was front-page news for four years straight. Trump Trump Trump. If the news outlet was right-leaning, then TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!! If the news outlet was left-leaning, TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!! So, on election day, everyone was fired up one way or the other. Some right-leaning folks were already saying that they would not accept the results of the election if Trump lost, no matter the reason. That's not just ignorance, but that's setting up the willfulness of the ignorance that followed. If Trump had won, I would guarantee that there would have been just as much noise from the left-leaning people, but that didn't happen. But here's the thing, you can't have it both ways. You either participate in the political process or you revolt against the political process. Trying to do both loses you the moral high ground.

So, looking forward from the present, you can't make the suggestion that the election count was rigged on a large scale against Trump, because the suggestion was already made prior to the election taking place, because investigations have already taken place and found only small scale irregularities (the vast majority of which favoured Trump), and because your leaders already claimed that they would only accept the process's legitimacy if it favoured them. From a logic-based standpoint, that argument is already triply stacked against you, so to hang onto it is to forsake the very basis of logic, at which point you run the risk of being dismissed as illogical.

Yet, and this is most important, if someone supports Trump or Trump's policies, that does not mean that the person is alleging large-scale election count conspiracy. If the person suggested something in the past, before investigations were completed, that doesn't mean that they are currently alleging that the election count was stolen. Perhaps they *want* to think that, but if they aren't putting any conspiracy theories forward anymore, they aren't doing the thing that you are accusing them of doing.

 

[Ears and Eggs]

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