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Most States don't send out ballots or ballot request to all voters, in most States you have to request a absentee ballot, but because of covid many States sent out ballot requests without anyone asking for them, this invites voting fraud.
 
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Democrats 3.5 Trillion dollar socialism spending bill is not " infrastructure " it's a democrat power grab. > See Senator Tuberville tear into it > Here This so called " infrastructure " bill will reduce the 10,000 dollar financial transaction reporting amount to 600 dollars so the IRS AI will be watching every transaction people make of 600 dollars or more, this is just a means to use the IRS against conservatives just like Obama used the IRS to harass tea party activists.
If you don't want to see inflation running out of control tell your reps you are against this democrat power grab the're attempting to cram down our throats under reconciliation by calling it " infrastructure " it's not infrastructure.

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What about states like mine that do their election primarily by mail? There are 6 of these and of the mail in ballots in 2020 the only fraud was from Trump voters who voted more than once or used other people's ballots to vote for Trump.
You guys should figure out how to vote in person or maybe get thrown out of the union 🤷‍♂️
 

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81 million votes gets you 1000 viewers on YouTube and spontaneous chants of F*ck Joe Biden at football games all over the country.

Strange.
 

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Most States don't send out ballots or ballot request to all voters, in most States you have to request a absentee ballot, but because of covid many States sent out ballot requests without anyone asking for them, this invites voting fraud.

You say that that invites voter fraud, but the only voter fraud found in the 2020 election was among Trump voters. That is a fact that you cannot get around. Utah, which is about as red a state as they come sends out ballots to all registered voters. Tell your story walking.
 

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NOPE !

I've posted the European study results at least twice before and European nations know by-mail voting is prone to fraud, it's why they have largely banned and/or restricted it in European nations as we need to in America, thankfully many US States have taken steps to prevent future by-mail voting fraud which is very hard to catch as both parties have an interest in keeping vote buying/selling a secret, by-mail voting just isn't worth the risk, people need to show up and show ID !
 

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Because it demonstrates the total hypocrisy of the “ruling” class. They don’t wear masks, but you have to. They get a wall around the capitol, but you don’t get a wall at the border. You need to take vaccines, but we don’t care if illegal immigrants come streaming in unvaccinated.
I agree that their rules apply/don't apply based on convenience, but this is true regardless of who is in power. I think that expecting the same level protection at the border and around the capitol is just setting your expectation up for failure. For example, the Russian border is quite secure, but I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near as tight as the security around the Kremlin.
No magical ballot dumps at 4:30am from mail drop boxes that weren’t monitored, voter id required and voting in person only, No illegal blocking of vote counters from monitoring the votes being counted fairly and accurately. Timely results. No mystical stopping counting in the middle of the night. No more dominion and no more es&s voting machines that have functions to weight votes and are connected to the ccp. To name a few.
A vast majority of the irregularities were due to the large amount of mail-in votes. The circumstances should not be present in 2024 to repeat that scenario. I fully expect there to be some other scenario that the republicans will call voter fraud and the democrats will call normal, or vice-versa, depending on the outcome. The part about timely results and no more electronic voting machines probably are mutually exclusive. In a nation of nearly half a billion people, you can't count votes by hand and expect the count to be accurate and fast. Pick one.

Maybe don’t leave Americans behind in Afghanistan. Maybe don’t say everything is fine there a month before the Taliban takes over. Maybe don’t force an experimental vaccine with a mandate on people who don’t want it. Maybe try and protect our border a little bit from thousands of illegal immigrants pouring into our country.
I agree about Afghanistan. That was a mess, end of story.

Regarding the vaccine, at what point does it become no longer experimental?

The USA always has had one of the least secure borders in the world. Whether Trump was president or Biden or whomever, this is the case. I agree that something needs to be done to address the issue, but I'm not sure what would be effective. I agree that Biden should be more pro-active in this area.


He made a promise he couldn’t keep- the president has no power to enforce such a thing as that and he knew that.

Agreed. Every presidential candidate does this. I don't think that "the position for which I was running doesn't command the authority to make good on my promise" is a reasonable excuse. If you are running for president, you know what the limitations of power are on the position of president, so don't promise to set congressional term limits/close Gitmo/no new taxes/etc. when you know very well that you can't hold up that promise. It's no less shiesty than if I promised to sell you a laser that output 520 nm 40 W beam for $50, then reneg'ed after I got the $50 by saying that what I told you I'd sell you isn't possible.
 

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NOPE !

I've posted the European study results at least twice before and European nations know by-mail voting is prone to fraud, it's why they have largely banned and/or restricted it in European nations as we need to in America, thankfully many US States have taken steps to prevent future by-mail voting fraud which is very hard to catch as both parties have an interest in keeping vote buying/selling a secret, by-mail voting just isn't worth the risk, people need to show up and show ID !

You continue to allege a fraud that did not happen in 2020. Court filings in the NY Times today show that Trump and his campaign knew his lies about voter fraud were just that.....LIES. Who cares what some EU countries have done. That has NOTHING to do with what we have in the U.S. Hopefully Congress will pass a voters rights bill that Biden will happily sign and protect voters in these states that have passed laws to disenfranchise voters that don't typically vote Republican. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
 

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LOL.......That's hilarious, you liberals are always pointing towards European countries and saying we should be more lake them, well the fact is most developed European countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad and require ID to obtain those ballots and an even higher percentages of European countries ban absentee voting for in-country voters completely.

Additionally some countries that do allow voting by mail for citizens living in the country, don’t allow it for everyone.
Japan and Poland have very limited mail-in voting only for those who have special certificates verifying that they are actually disabled.

We need to end not only, hard if not impossible to detect fraud such as vote buying/selling, but we need to maintain the appearance of a fair election after all that has happened, mail-in voting should be reserved for overseas troops and the severely disabled and everyone needs to show their ID, also ballot harvesting needs to be illegal.

These are just common sense fair voting practices, nobody is disenfranchised by not being allowed to sell their ballot, that's not what it's about.

Speaking of buying votes California Governor Newsome doled out 600.00 " stimulus " checks before his recall election, the money came from 75 Billion in excess tax revenue and only 25 Billion in federal covid relief funds.......so it's ok for democrats to buy votes but you cry about Republicans wanting to remove vote buying/selling and ballot harvesting.....hilarious and transparent.

Oh and lets not forget Biden failing to protect the US by opening up our Southern border to ever illegal immigrant who can get here and attempting to make voters out of them with an amnesty law in the so called " infrastructure " bill they are trying to pass under reconciliation no less.

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Who cares what some EU countries have done. That has NOTHING to do with what we have in the U.S.
you liberals are always pointing towards European countries and saying we should be more lake them, well the fact is most developed European countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad and require ID to obtain those ballots and an even higher percentages of European countries ban absentee voting for in-country voters completely.
That's a weird back-and-forth.

Anyway, 9 out of 10 Swiss vote by mail. Voting by mail is also common in the UK, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, and Liechtenstein. But what you say is true about it being disallowed more often than allowed, mainly because it was disallowed in the Eastern Bloc and generally continues to be in the former USSR, although since then, France has removed the option and some former eastern bloc nations, like the Baltic states, Poland, and some others have begin to allow it under certain circumstances.

The proven cases of voter fraud, however, have actually indicated fraud by Trump votes more often than by Biden votes by a considerable margin. Trump had already stated that he would not accept the results unless he won, which itself indicates a deep-seated problem on Trump's end. The fact that the US Capitol was stormed by Trump supporters attempting to overturn the election by force invalidates any argument for Trump outside of any hard evidence. Why? Because the act proves the motivation of some people to stop at nothing in order to change the narrative of the election. Those folks were organized and trucked in by partisans from around the nation, fired up at a Trump rally, instructed to fight by Trump himself, and then cut loose. Any hearsay or memes or whatever simply have zero credibility at this point. The only thing that would change that is some sort of piece of evidence that passes the same level of scrutiny that Trump's supporters themselves demanded during Trump's first impeachment. And there is no evidence that passes that level of scrutiny, so it's time to forget about Trump and move forward with a new plan for America. That's not to say that the correct plan is Biden, but we have to pull ourselves out of this stupidity of neither side being willing to compromise with the other. We are all Americans, red, blue, yellow, green, Vermin Supreme, whatever. Most of us are very passionately defensive of our nation. That ought to be our strength, but our enemies (China, Iran, even Russia) are exploiting that fervor to turn us against each other, and it's working.
 

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LOL.......That's hilarious, you liberals are always pointing towards European countries and saying we should be more lake them, well the fact is most developed European countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad and require ID to obtain those ballots and an even higher percentages of European countries ban absentee voting for in-country voters completely.

Additionally some countries that do allow voting by mail for citizens living in the country, don’t allow it for everyone.
Japan and Poland have very limited mail-in voting only for those who have special certificates verifying that they are actually disabled.

We need to end not only, hard if not impossible to detect fraud such as vote buying/selling, but we need to maintain the appearance of a fair election after all that has happened, mail-in voting should be reserved for overseas troops and the severely disabled and everyone needs to show their ID, also ballot harvesting needs to be illegal.

These are just common sense fair voting practices, nobody is disenfranchised by not being allowed to sell their ballot, that's not what it's about.

Speaking of buying votes California Governor Newsome doled out 600.00 " stimulus " checks before his recall election, the money came from 75 Billion in excess tax revenue and only 25 Billion in federal covid relief funds.......so it's ok for democrats to buy votes but you cry about Republicans wanting to remove vote buying/selling and ballot harvesting.....hilarious and transparent.

Oh and lets not forget Biden failing to protect the US by opening up our Southern border to ever illegal immigrant who can get here and attempting to make voters out of them with an amnesty law in the so called " infrastructure " bill they are trying to pass under reconciliation no less.

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That's a weird back-and-forth.

Anyway, 9 out of 10 Swiss vote by mail. Voting by mail is also common in the UK, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, and Liechtenstein. But what you say is true about it being disallowed more often than allowed, mainly because it was disallowed in the Eastern Bloc and generally continues to be in the former USSR, although since then, France has removed the option and some former eastern bloc nations, like the Baltic states, Poland, and some others have begin to allow it under certain circumstances.

The proven cases of voter fraud, however, have actually indicated fraud by Trump votes more often than by Biden votes by a considerable margin. Trump had already stated that he would not accept the results unless he won, which itself indicates a deep-seated problem on Trump's end. The fact that the US Capitol was stormed by Trump supporters attempting to overturn the election by force invalidates any argument for Trump outside of any hard evidence. Why? Because the act proves the motivation of some people to stop at nothing in order to change the narrative of the election. Those folks were organized and trucked in by partisans from around the nation, fired up at a Trump rally, instructed to fight by Trump himself, and then cut loose. Any hearsay or memes or whatever simply have zero credibility at this point. The only thing that would change that is some sort of piece of evidence that passes the same level of scrutiny that Trump's supporters themselves demanded during Trump's first impeachment. And there is no evidence that passes that level of scrutiny, so it's time to forget about Trump and move forward with a new plan for America. That's not to say that the correct plan is Biden, but we have to pull ourselves out of this stupidity of neither side being willing to compromise with the other. We are all Americans, red, blue, yellow, green, Vermin Supreme, whatever. Most of us are very passionately defensive of our nation. That ought to be our strength, but our enemies (China, Iran, even Russia) are exploiting that fervor to turn us against each other, and it's working.

THIS! I find it hilarious that you continue to defend disenfranchising Democratic voters in states that have Republican majorities as if there was actually mass fraud in 2020. The only reason there is mistrust is because of Trump's narrative that if he didn't win the election was fraudulent.

Speaking of trying to buy votes, remember Trump putting his name on checks going out to all Americans? How did that work out for him? Newsom didn't have to buy any votes. Larry Elder was the gift to Newsom that rallied Democrats to turn out in that stupid recall election. It cost the state $270 million to run and it was totally unnecessary.

Did anyone else see that Trump has sued his niece and the NY Times for.....wait for it........$100 million! If you get a chance read the brief submitted by Trump's lawyers. Trump is suing because Mary Trump turned over tax documents to the Times after she signed a nondisclosure clause. One sentence in the brief states that "the belligerence of this cannot be understated." I guess you get what you pay for. This will go nowhere as the Times has the first amendment protection of the press and Mary Trump was getting lied to by Donald to keep her from her inheritance. 🤣
 
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Newsom bought votes just to be sure even though democrats outnumber republicans in California 2 to 1, this further demonstrates how much democrats are willing to cheat, it wasn't expected to sway things more than a few percentage points, yet still Newsom did it.

Mass mail-out ballots and ballot requests create an opportunity for people to engage in vote buying/selling, period !

The Biden admin. has turned what Trump had reasonably under control at our southern border into absolute chaos resulting in a flood of illegal immigrants and now democrats have attempted to include mass amnesty in the 3.5 TRILLION dollar socialism bill which is NOT " infrastructure " that they are trying to pass under reconciliation, this is beyond voter fraud, this attempt to create new immigrant voters who typically vote 2/3 democrat is a blatant scheme to cheat the American people out of a fair election.
 

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Washington has continued to be a circus, yes. The way to fix it isn't to hand power to the republicans. They just had it and it was as much a circus as ever.

Personally, I've never had anyone request to directly buy my vote, republican, democrat, nor third party. But when each candidate is spending hundreds of millions on commercials and marketing and so forth, that's exactly what that is, in a more subtle way. Why would anyone want to sink that kind of money into being in public service anyway? We need to root out the problem and address it directly. Many people thought Trump was the solution, but he was just a way of cutting out the middle man between special interests and politics.
 

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Taking covid out of the picture for a moment, Trump gave us a prosperous economy, democrats will give us inflation.

What ever problems we had Biden was not the answer, Biden was only elected because of a democrat and mainstream media hate campaign, identity politics preached Trump HATE ! Two sham impeachments were little more than a Trump bashing festival that made a mockery of the process. People didn't vote for Biden they voted against Trump and now we don't have a President, we have a dementia riddled talking head signing the executive orders of the progressive mob around him without understanding what is even going on much less what impact these orders will have.

Republicans support the concept of smaller more effective government, democrats support larger authoritarian government, but something else we are seeing is more localized government where people shape State and local laws to better represent their values often in contrast to federal laws, this is not really the answer either, it's a symptom of a centralized government that is very inefficient, increasingly ineffective and hopelessly corrupt.

Our divided nation is beginning to fragment and I fear balkinization is in our future if we don't elect representatives that respect our core guidelines that have held our nation together since it's start, our Constitution, too often today we hear Democrats say that a law won't pass Constitutional muster or Constitutional court challenges but they pass it anyway hoping it will advance their agenda in the meanwhile and have even said as much, this is another reason why Republicans are a better choice, without our constitution we will atrophy and everyone but the controlling elite ( rich democrats and their wealthy supporters ) will suffer.
 

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Taking covid out of the picture for a moment, Trump gave us a prosperous economy, democrats will give us inflation.

What ever problems we had Biden was not the answer, Biden was only elected because of a democrat and mainstream media hate campaign, identity politics preached Trump HATE ! Two sham impeachments were little more than a Trump bashing festival that made a mockery of the process. People didn't vote for Biden they voted against Trump and now we don't have a President, we have a dementia riddled talking head signing the executive orders of the progressive mob around him without understanding what is even going on much less what impact these orders will have.

Republicans support the concept of smaller more effective government, democrats support larger authoritarian government, but something else we are seeing is more localized government where people shape State and local laws to better represent their values often in contrast to federal laws, this is not really the answer either, it's a symptom of a centralized government that is very inefficient, increasingly ineffective and hopelessly corrupt.

Our divided nation is beginning to fragment and I fear balkinization is in our future if we don't elect representatives that respect our core guidelines that have held our nation together since it's start, our Constitution, too often today we hear Democrats say that a law won't pass Constitutional muster or Constitutional court challenges but they pass it anyway hoping it will advance their agenda in the meanwhile and have even said as much, this is another reason why Republicans are a better choice, without our constitution we will atrophy and everyone but the controlling elite ( rich democrats and their wealthy supporters ) will suffer.

Trump mismanaged the pandemic so badly that it was a major reason he was so soundly defeated. Biden is not at all what Republicans try constantly to say about him. He is thoughtful and engages in debates about where the country should go. Trump increased our debt by $7.8 trillion. That is not smaller government in my opinion. You seem to care only about those constitutional rights that Trump Republicans believe are necessary. Looks like that Texas abortion law is going to get its day in court now. It was about time. Trump's two impeachments were sound and for good reasons. The second one got 10 Republicans to for for impeachment and 7 Republican Senators to vote to convict. He missed being removed from office by just 10 votes.
 
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A landmass is not a nation without borders, Biden is giving away our children's future and inflation is on the rise, yet Biden can't even answer any questions, no wonder his approval rating is still sliding down.
 




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